US-Election 2008

02-06-2008, 06:32 AM

Democrats
Conn -
OK - Hillary
AR - Hillary
TN -
Kansas -
IL - Obama
Georgia - Obama

Rep -GOP
IL - MC
Conn - McCain
Mass - Rommeny

02-06-2008, 09:08 AM

Kennedy effect was zero. Kennedy and family and Kerry lost big time. People showed them middlefinger. Hillary will get the nomination, because she had won majority of Democrats state.
Obama should build up his machinery and try after 8 years and gain some experience.
Race played important role.
GOP is as usual confused and trimming each other.

**acharya** · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2008, 10:29 AM by acharya.)

Comments from California voters

By The Associated Press

Tuesday, February 5, 2008
(02-05) 19:27 PST , (AP) --

Comments from California voters:

"I don't believe in dynasties. We've got Kennedys, Clintons, Bushes. That's not what this country is about. It's not a monarchy." â Hank Hardin, 61, who voted for Barack Obama.

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"I just like the fact he says things the way it is. I like the fact he works across boundaries with Republicans and Democrats." â Mike Ronnebeck, 45, who voted for John McCain.

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"As an intellectual feminist type, I'm excited to have a woman running. I'd like to see a woman be president, but she's not the one right now." â Kiersten Johnson, 38, who voted for Barack Obama.

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"Race and gender don't matter. I will vote for who I think will be a good president, I think that's Hillary Clinton." â Elizabeth Kim, who voted for Hillary Clinton.

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"He presents a remarkable skin color for the rest of the world to admire." â Steve Scheibel, 51, who voted for Barack Obama.

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"I think she is well-educated, well-spoken and she has the foreign policy experience we need." â Linda Kennedy, 61, who voted for Hillary Clinton.

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"I agree with the issues that he is proposing. The health care reform, the economy, his stand on the war and immigration reform, which is really the thing that made me vote for him." Juan Carlos, 32, who voted for John McCain.

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"After eight years of the dark ages under Bush, the Democrats deserve a strong candidate." â Allison Goldberger, 49, who was undecided.

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"My first choice was Giuliani. But when he dropped out, I decided to go with Mitt (because of his position on illegal immigration). He's the only one talking about it. ... It's getting so bad, it's an issue." â Lindsey Aimone, 33, who voted for Mitt Romney.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2008, 10:41 AM by dhu.)

Some Blacks who are really upset with Obama:

QUOTEhttp://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php...id=501&Itemid=1

This site should continue to dissect Mr. Obama. I am sick of the love affair the Black community has for him and it is obvious by the knee-jerk reactions many on this site has displayed because someone dared look at him honestly and not get carried away with his looks, charisma and speech.

Until we stop looking for a Black first and look at who represents our interests, we will always be in the same boat. Sinking.

KS, really do not argue with these people. You're quite right they're supporters and want to squash and divert any crticial critique away from Mr. Obama. Do not fall into their trap.

**acharya** · 02-06-2008, 10:50 AM

Watch the mainstream media.
If they are pushing Obama then it is a image buildup for worldwide coverage. It will get sympathy and connection.

02-06-2008, 11:16 AM

QUOTEWatch the mainstream media.
If they are pushing Obama then it is a image buildup for worldwide coverage. It will get sympathy and connection.

Oh yes, they have created something, now they don't know how to bring him down. Establishment won, even California independent voted for Clinton.
Now Bill Clinton real work will start, he will try to sure off super delgates and I don't think delgates will go against Clinton now.

dhu · (This post was last modified: 02-06-2008, 01:25 PM by dhu.)

All these entities are accomodative of christian aspirations and they channel black civil rights in a particular direction:

QUOTEI am Legend, Bob Marley and One Love, & Obama:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0C3UQNUJVB28QGJT

renegade comment:

Why don't you crackers go find something to talk about. Anybody with common sense know doggone well that man did not say those things in that way. You all just found another black celeberty to mess with; all the time bush is destroying this country. Yet instead when that white disc jockey made his comment you white people were the first to say he didn't mean it that way. You crackers have never had to endure no hardship ever like any other race but you always complain. One day yours will come and it won't be nice.

QUOTEThe Black Church and the Hollowing Out of Black Politics

Much of what passes for Black leadership no longer represents African American political interests or opinion, having broken from their progressive mass moorings under the lure of corporate money and âfaith-basedâ government bribes. Black politicians dance to the tunes of Big Business campaign contributors, while many Black preachers âape the undemocratic and bigoted worstâ of their white Christian counterparts. The ambitions of both the secular and religious hustlers converge in Memphis Tennessee, where Black preachers fan the flames of homophobia to elect their chosen candidate, and in Georgia, where an elected Black county executive is poised to run for Cynthia McKinneyâs old seat in Congress with the help of real estate interests and money-grubbing mega-preachers, thus threatening to push the Congressional Black Caucus further to the Right. The Black Georgia incumbent congressmanâs crime: heâs a Buddhist.

02-06-2008, 08:18 PM

QUOTEWatch the mainstream media.
If they are pushing Obama then it is a image buildup for worldwide coverage. It will get sympathy and connection
As of last weekend media had about 80+ positive stories on Obama and 40+ negative stories on Clinton. This was reported by Chris Matthews of MSNBC. Media's playing a big role in all this.

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On GOP, as I had mentioned yesterday, Hucakbee is now a very strong contender for VP post. McCain knows that he can't get elected without carrying south.
If Gulliani had VP aspirations in McCain Presidency, it's over - like his candidacy.

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Something that strikes me is that in almost every state, the number #1 in Democratic party is pulling in as many votes as the combined #1 and #2 of Republican!!!
For example: in GA, Obama alone has 696,622 votes.
Which is greater than #1 Huckabee (325,602) and #2 Romney(289,118) combined!!!

Pick any other state, and you'll see a very similar pattern across the nation.

Is Republican confidence so low that they are sitting this one out?
Or there are less registered Republicans than registered Democrats?
Or states where independents are allowed to vote going democrat in big way?
Not sure. But this trend doesn't bode well for McCain.

02-06-2008, 10:47 PM

US Elections 2008: Feb 5 Predictions (April 02, 2007 )- Mr.DATTATREYA SIVA BABA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RJhp-v6bCs

02-08-2008, 09:47 AM

Now GOP candidates are final.
McCain and high probability Huckabee.

Democrats -
still same.

**acharya** · 02-08-2008, 10:53 PM

QUOTE(Viren @ Feb 6 2008, 02:48 AM)
Is Republican confidence so low that they are sitting this one out?
Or there are less registered Republicans than registered Democrats?
Or states where independents are allowed to vote going democrat in big way?
Not sure. But this trend doesn't bode well for McCain.
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McCain and Hillary are the only members of CFR

Mostly less republicans come out and vote compared to democrat and this is historic fact.
Hence the votes are less. It is a party thing.

Democrat rally the unions and large community every where and make sure that people feel that they are participating in choosing a candidate and participating in elections.

But the superdeligates are the UNION and other org which are powerful and make deals with the democratic leadership and they make sure the winner is from the establishment.
The people will feel that they have elected their leader

02-08-2008, 11:17 PM

http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=d8d3...73-5a85315f4e85

02-09-2008, 12:53 AM

Does anybody know a place where they have race-wise breakup + genderwise breakup for democratic primaries ?

Meanwhile interesting stuff

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/c...icle3330288.ece

QUOTEThis is where coffee preferences come in. Among voters whose voting choice is not based on identity politics, Mr Obama's supporters are the latte liberals. These are the people for whom Starbucks, with its $5 cups of coffee and fancy bakeries, is not just a consumer choice but a lifestyle. They not only have the money. They share the values.

They live by all those little quotes on the side of Starbucks cups about community service and global warming. They embrace the Obama candidacy because to them he transcends traditional class and economic divides. He is a transformative political figure - potentially the first black man to be president - and is seen as the one to revive America's faith in itself and restore America's status in the world. For these voters the defining emotion is hope.

Mrs Clinton is the candidate of what might be called Dunkin' Donut Democrats. They do not have money to waste on multiple-hyphenated coffee drinks - double-top, no-foam, non-fat lattes and the like. Not for them the bran muffins or the biscotti. They are the 75-cent coffee and doughnut crowd. For them caffeine choice doesn't correlate with their values but simply represents a means of keeping them going through their challenging day.

Though they don't doubt that global warming is important, they think it can wait. They want to make sure first they can pay the heating bills. They're not in favour of the Iraq war but neither are they so focused on restoring America's image in the world. They're not necessarily racist, it's just that they're not especially animated by the idealism represented by the first black president. For them anxiety, not aspiration is the defining factor.

02-09-2008, 12:57 AM

QUOTEDoes anybody know a place where they have race-wise breakup + genderwise breakup for democratic primaries ?
Check CNN and CBS websites, on map or clicking on county option.

**acharya** · 02-09-2008, 03:25 AM

QUOTE Bill Clinton says he's learned a lesson

5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Former President Clinton says he's learned a lesson from the dustup over his remarks on the campaign trail â he can promote his wife's presidential candidacy, but he's not free to defend her.
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Bill Clinton also said that everything he said in South Carolina about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama was "factually accurate," but a lot that has been said about what he said is "factually inaccurate."

"I think the mistake that I made is to think that I was a spouse like any other spouse who could defend his candidate," Clinton said, referring to his wife, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is waging a hard-fought contest with Obama for the Democratic nomination.

"I think I can promote Hillary but not defend her because I was president. I have to let her defend herself or have someone else defend her," Clinton said in an interview with NBC affliate WCSH-TV as he was campaigning in Portland, Maine, Thursday.

On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, Clinton called Obama's celebrated opposition to the Iraq war "a fairy tale," suggesting that while Obama had spoken out against the war in 2002 while he was an Illinois state senator, Obama had moderated his anti-war stance during his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign.

Later, campaigning for his wife in South Carolina, Clinton suggested an Obama victory there would be a racial one, like the Rev. Jesse Jackson's twenty years ago.

Critics accused Clinton of injecting race into the Democratic campaign.

"A lot of the things that were said were factually inaccurate," Clinton said. "I did not ever criticize Senator Obama personally in South Carolina. ... But I think whenever I defend her, I, A, risk being misquoted, and, B, risk being the story. I don't want to be the story."

While he's toned down his defense of his wife, Clinton said he doesn't intend to stop campaigning for her even though some critics have suggested it's inappropriate for a former president to take sides in a nomination race.

If his wife is elected president, Clinton said he will not interfere with her work or her advisers.

"I will do what I'm asked to do," Clinton said. "I will not be in the Cabinet. I will not be on the staff full-time. I will not in any way interfere with the work of a strong vice president, strong secretary of State, strong secretary of Treasury.

"I will do what we've always done for each other," he said. "I will let her bounce ideas off me. I will tell her what I think."

**acharya** · 02-09-2008, 03:48 AM

MSNBC's Chelsea comment angers Clinton

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago

SEATTLE - A distasteful comment about Chelsea Clinton by an MSNBC anchor could imperil Hillary Rodham Clinton's participation in future presidential debates on the network, a Clinton spokesman said.

In a conference call with reporters, Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson on Friday excoriated MSNBC's David Shuster for suggesting the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" 27-year old Chelsea by having her place phone calls to Democratic Party superdelegates on her mother's behalf. Wolfson called the comment "beneath contempt" and disgusting.

"I, at this point, can't envision a scenario where we would continue to engage in debates on that network," he added.

MSNBC said Shuster, who apologized on the air for his comment, has been temporarily suspended from appearing on all NBC news broadcasts except to offer his apology.

"NBC News takes these matters seriously, and offers our sincere regrets to the Clintons for the remarks," MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said, adding the network was hopeful the debate would take place as planned.

Clinton and Barack Obama are scheduled to participate in an MSNBC debate Feb. 26 from Ohio, which holds its primary March 4. The Clinton campaign has pushed hard for as many debates as possible with Obama, but Wolfson said the Feb. 26 debate could be jeopardized.

Wolfson pointed to what he called a pattern of tasteless comments by MSNBC anchors about the Clinton campaign. Weeks ago, "Hardball" host Chris Matthews apologized to the former first lady after suggesting her political career had been made possible by her husband's philandering.

Shuster told The Associated Press he has tried to reach Clinton to apologize.

Shambhu · 02-09-2008, 05:25 AM

These days I read all comments on Politico.com

The best fighing I have ever had the privilege of reading!

dhu · 02-09-2008, 05:36 AM

QUOTE(acharya @ Feb 9 2008, 03:48 AM)

"I, at this point, can't envision a scenario where we would continue to engage in debates on that network," he added.

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She's speaking as if her writ is same as that of the party. Sonia is cast in the same mold.

There must be a running joke in the US that Hillary hides behind Chelsea. I came across recently a similar accusation that Hillary was more worried about a photo-op with Chelsea than anything else during the Clinton scandal.

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Racist code words used by clintons:

<b>hillary: 'SPADE WORK' (clinton racist code words)</b>
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9...8040463104948&q

02-09-2008, 05:53 AM

QUOTE(dhu @ Feb 8 2008, 05:06 PM)Racist code words used by clintons:

<b>hillary: 'SPADE WORK' (clinton racist code words)</b>
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9...8040463104948&q
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What are they using in the video - text-to-speech convertor ?

02-09-2008, 07:41 AM

QUOTEWolfson pointed to what he called a pattern of tasteless comments by MSNBC anchors about the Clinton campaign. Weeks ago, "Hardball" host Chris Matthews apologized to the former first lady after suggesting her political career had been made possible by her husband's philandering.

Shuster told The Associated Press he has tried to reach Clinton to apologize.
MSNBC is working very hard to demonize Clintons, they are NDTV to Modi.

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