Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 4

agnivayu · 08-28-2008, 06:45 AM

We have heard that in the area of the riots, the xtian % is 20%. What is your best estimate for the Xtian percentage in Orissa?

Note, even according to the Xtian's themselves, who started this violence, that the poorest and least educated convert. This means that xtians in India must generally be of a lower IQ.

QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Aug 28 2008, 06:00 AM)Xtian infiltration in orissa

I have noticed that several xtians are DGP, superintendents of police etc
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G.Subramaniam · 08-28-2008, 07:18 AM

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Aug 28 2008, 06:45 AM)We have heard that in the area of the riots, the xtian % is 20%.Â What is your best estimate for the Xtian percentage in Orissa?

Note, even according to the Xtian's themselves, who started this violence, that the poorest and least educated convert.Â This means that xtians in India must generally be of a lower IQ.Â

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The most ambitious, the most greedy convert, not necessarily the poor
The xtian % in Orissa is likely 6% including cryptos

~~Pandyan~~ · 08-28-2008, 07:52 AM

What are the national origins of foreign xtian missionaries working in Bharat?

Most are obviously Americans, but I tend to see a lot of Europeans, especially Germans, also Koreans.

agnivayu · 08-28-2008, 08:27 AM

These Koreans were told that they are half-aryan by xtian missionaries.
So now their master's attack dogs are on us now. Don't spare them, preaching that made up middle eastern crap in the land of Hindustan is not consequence free.

QUOTE(Pandyan @ Aug 28 2008, 07:52 AM)What are the national origins of foreign xtian missionaries working in Bharat?

Most are obviously Americans, but I tend to see a lot of Europeans, especially Germans, also Koreans.
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08-28-2008, 09:34 AM

Fvck, I almost want to give up on bharatam. Can we do something, it really hurts deep deep down in the heart

QUOTEEach year the Indian government's Ministry of Home Affairs issues the report "Receipt of Foreign Contributions by Voluntary Associations." With just 58% of the 32,000 registered associations reporting for 2005-2006, the total contributions were $2billion. None of the top fifteen donor agencies are Christian, six are secular and none is Hindu.

The amounts reported by these nine organizations and their countries of origin are: Gospel Fellowship Trust, India (USA), $60 million; Gospel for Asia (USA), $36 million; Fundacion Vicent Ferrer (Alicante, Spain), $27 million; Christian Aid (UK), $21 million; Miseror Mozartstrasse (Germany), $20 million; Fundacion Vicente Ferrer (Madrid, Spain), $20 million; Manos Unidas (Spain) $13 million; Missio Germany (Germany), $13 million. That totals $226 million in aid from Christian organizations.


QUOTEOne example of how the Chrisitian use their funds comes from their funds comes from the The Gospel for Asia mission statement for India: "Plant another 300 Baptist Churches, start 10 Chrisitian schools and establish 3 Bible colleges within the next 10 years." They claim to have already planted 156 Grace Baptist churches and converted 20,000 people.


Added: Oh yeah, should'nt I give the source. I quoted them from Hinduism Today - July/August/Septemeber 2008 issue. Here is the link: http://hinduismtoday.com/

08-28-2008, 11:18 AM

Swamy G. Go to www.ekal.org and donate money to run one school. Takes 365 dollars to run one school in one village.

Spread the word and convince your friends and family to make donations.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 08-28-2008, 04:54 PM by Bodhi.)

see this report on CNN website.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/...ence/index.html

The above report spins the whole muder of Hindu sannyasi in a way that makes Christians appear the poor victims of the havoc unleashed by those murderous Hindus. there must be some common training course that these jornos have attended.

08-28-2008, 06:21 PM

QUOTE(kharavela @ Aug 28 2008, 12:48 AM)Swamy G. Go to www.ekal.org and donate money to run one school. Takes 365 dollars to run one school in one village.

Spread the word and convince your friends and family to make donations.
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Boss, I have been doing that already. But I don't think Hindu contributions will reach those high amounts any time soon.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-28-2008, 09:05 PM by Husky.)

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Aug 28 2008, 04:11 PM)see this report on CNN website.Â

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/...ence/index.html

The above report spins the whole muder of Hindu sannyasi in a way that makes Christians appear the poor victims of the havoc unleashed by those murderous Hindus. there must be some common training course that these jornos have attended.
[right][snapback]87146[/snapback][/right]It's AmeriKKKa. It's their missionaries working on conversion, their intelligence agents working on subversion and breaking up India. CNN also famous for cutting Kashmir off Indian map and presenting it as separate back in 2001 or whenever (see ivarta site)
USAID belongs to US government. IIRC World Vision is a branch off USAID.

These American-govt sponsored/organised media reports are all pre-emptive strikes. "Murder the heathens but never again let the world know christianism did it."
Since it is inevitable that the murder of the Swami would come to light, considering the violent repercussions in the region, and since it's a fact that the christoterrorists did it, American christolying media needs to say it was heathens' own fault/they had it coming. It's American-christoterrorist version of "the Sabarmati Express Hindus torched themselves".

http://www.ivarta.com/newsletters/nL_031023.htm
See this page in particular: http://www.ivarta.com/IC_NoteOnMaps.htm
QUOTE3. Anti-India and Pro-Terrorism version by biased media agencies

This map generally shows word 'Disputed' in the Indian part of Kashmir (Microsoft Map). Or India is shown without Jammu and Kashmir (FoxNews, CNN).
(Also Times ragazine of course, see Sandhya Jain)

5. Most erroneous version of J&K map is by American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

http://www.christianaggression.org/features_bush.php
Bush's Conversion Agenda for India: Preparing for the harvest ...
Tehelka
QUOTEHolistic development tactics

World Vision, the world's largest Christian church mission agency, has traditionally been closely linked with successive American governments. The former US Ambassador for International Religious Freedoms, Dr Robert Seiple, was WV chief for 11 years till 1998 when he was picked by former president, Bill Clinton, to head the office of International Religious Freedoms. Around the period when Seiple was the president of WV, its vice-president from 1993 to 1998 was Andrew S. Natsios. He is now the administrator of the US Agency for International Development (USAID). For more than 40 years, USAID has been the leading government agency providing economic and humanitarian assistance to developing countries.QUOTEData on India: the CIA connection

The "spying out" missions that generated the vast ethnographic data of the Indian people also involved detailed study of Dr KS Singh's 'People of India Project' that was launched in 1985 by the Anthropological Society of India (ASI). Under Singh's leadership, the ASI undertook an ambitious project to chart one of the most far-reaching ethnographic studies in the 20th century. Five hundred scholars spent over 26,000 field days to compile information for these volumes. This gigantic research work came handy for American and Indian strategists to draft their evangelical plans for India. According to Luis Bush, "Never before has this kind of information on India been so carefully surveyed, prepared, well published and distributedâ¦We do not believe it is accidental. God is allowing us to "spy out the land" that we might go in and claim both it and its inhabitants for Him."

The data collected by experts from Wycliffe/Summer Institute of Linguistics, World Vision (WV) and the International Mission Board/Southern Baptists to compile the Joshua Project Peoples list included a detailed and comprehensive list of the people groups in India as well. Though this may appear normal international research activity - generating ethnographic profiles of non-Christian people groups in the 10/40 window - there are unseen dangers inherent in the compilation of such accurate people-group profiles.

The CIA has publicly admitted to having used Wycliffe/SIL and the Southern Baptists for covert intelligence operations in many parts of the world. The cosy relationship between the Wycliffe and CIA is documented exhaustively in a book Thy Will Be Done written in the 1990s by Gerald Colby and Charlotte Dennett. The book documents joint CIA-Wycliffe missions to source anthropological data from Latin America. Here's a quote from the book: "SIL had helped gather anthropological information on the Tarascan Indians that ended up in Nelson Rockefeller's intelligence files. The files contained cross-references to reveal behavioural patterns among Indian peoples in everything from socialisation (including aggressive tendencies) and personality traits, drives, emotions, and language structure, to political intrigue, kinship ties, traditional authority, mineral resources, exploitation, and labor relations. Rockefeller called these data the Strategic Index of Latin America." The question that will rattle not only the Indian government, but also outrage the Indian citizens is whether the American-funded "spying missions" carried out by Indian and foreign missionary agencies through more than a decade has resulted in the preparation of a 'Strategic Index of India' at the CIA headquarters?

Wycliffe, the Southern Baptists and World Vision have all been active in India as well. Could it be mere coincidence that Southern Baptists who are amongst President Bush's most loyal supporters, played an active role in the "spying out" missions? In fact, Colby and Dennett's book features a missionary of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, William Carlsen, who admits that he gave an eight-hour briefing to the CIA on Thailand's tribal areas. In the mid-1970s when the CIA's penetration of American missionary agencies made international headlines, the agency passed a self-limiting executive order to refrain from using foreign missionaries for intelligence gathering operations. Incidentally, it was George Bush Sr who in his first action as the new CIA director declared on February 11, 1976, that he would ban the practice of enlisting "clergymen and newsmen as intelligence agents." But this was just public grandstanding, doublespeak to save the CIA not only from embarrassment, but protect its operations in Latin American countries such as Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador. As soon as this announcement was made the CIA granted itself a private waiver. This was confirmed in April 1996 when the then CIA director, John Deutch, testifying before a Senate intelligence committee, said that the agency could waive the ban in cases "unique and special threats to national security."

Faith-based policies of White House
Surprisingly, Bush's supporters like the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), made laborious protests then to condemn the collaboration between missionaries and the intelligence agency. "Any foreigner living in a foreign culture already comes under a natural suspicion. If this policy is reversed, it would totally erode the ministry of missionaries," said Jerry Rankin, the then president of the Southern Baptist Convention Foreign Mission Board. In effect, this amounted to a plea to the CIA to keep their most well publicized (and hardly noticed) secret guarded!! The very fact that CIA has been courting religious missionaries in India and elsewhere is testimony to the fact that US funded evangelical missions have an unparalleled reach to the remotest corners of the country. Christianity Today in its issue of April 29, 1996, carried the following comment by the NAE President Don Argue: "For intelligence agencies to seek any relationship whatsoever with our religious workers must be unequivocally prohibited."
And of course there is American christoterrorist Kenneth Haywood, formerly in American police and army.

American taxpayers' money goes to USAID -> World Vision -> christoterrorism. Whether Hindus in America are sending money to Hindu charities or not, their taxes are certainly going toward conversion.
Read http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1078984877 - The Conversion Agenda by Rajiv Malhotra, on US tax money diverted to terrorise your family and village/town in Bharatam
And
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_di...S&id=1130133787 "Project Thessalonica is a sub-project of Joshua Project II."
And
http://web.archive.org/web/20040122120208/...eo/mission.html - about where US tax money has long been going: murdering South American native Americans!

When declared American foreign policy is to break up India (destroy Hindu Dharma) why pretend surprise.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_III.htm
QUOTETill recently, American foreign policy agencies made no secret of their designs on India's unity. When she was US ambassador to the UN, Mrs. Jean Kirkpatrick once said that "the break-up of India is one of the goals of the American foreign policy." Patrick Moynihan, who had held the same job, said more recently, "After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the artificial state India is also bound to break up."

(source: Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar - By Koenraad Elst p. 59-60).It's not secret now either is it.
I never know why Hindus in America are shocked at what's in California textbooks, the anti-Temple building position of America, RAND, US help (including university positions) to psecular 'social activists'/communists and islamaniacs from TSP, their setting up of Wendy Doniger and Spawn and similar types of individus and their books - when all this negation of Hindu Dharma and maltreatment of Hindus and subversion of Bharatam is intended.

QUOTEG Sub: If more hindus followed the muslim example ...Choking. Do you really think Hindus will ever kill our own family members? We're not christoislamaniacs. Stop advocating christoislamaniac measures.

We don't even shoot the christoislamaniac terrorists who murder our Swamis and blow up Hindus and temples (and those terrorists actually deserve to be shot).

But since you're so free with such advice, what's your recommendation on how to deal with the issue of US Hindus paying taxes that end up funding US' christoterrorism against Bharatam and Dharmic traditions? Or is that not treachery.
Do you reserve your venom only for those loonies of Hindu ancestry who marry into christoislamiterrorism? Then again, thankfully you are not a hypocrite as you don't live in the US. Do you.

ADDED: No, I'm not advocating anything against Hindus in US who live there and are unwittingly helping to destroy Bharatam without realising it, but just fed up with the blindsided narrow identification of what constitutes treachery/threat while ignoring much larger/more potent instances happening everyday and committed by possibly unknowing or perhaps uncaring Hindus living overseas, particularly US (only country famous for large-scale internal and certainly external missionary spending that goes particularly towards destroying other ways of lives and nations).

08-28-2008, 08:43 PM

More online regarding Kandhmal.
Looks like this topic warrants a separate thread.

Congress Conspiracy? @ http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-14810.html

Swami Murdered by Christians @ http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column58.htm

Evangelist's Interview @ http://indiasecular.wordpress.com/2007/10/...f-anevangelist/

Persecution Industry @ http://indiasecular.wordpress.com/2008/05/...80%99s-defence/

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 08-28-2008, 09:28 PM by Bodhi.)

Thanks Husky. Now that we are talking about Chritianism, West and Indic Journalists... here is this lady called Jennifer Arul of NDTV..so I did some googling on her...

QUOTETalking of activists, three days before I left Chennai I met John Dayal, the editor of the mid-day newpaper, based in Delhi. He has involved himself in the United Christian Council which is, currently involved in telling Christians about various anti-Christian activities around India, activities which, as a journalist, he obviously is privy to. We are due to have our general elections during the month of September and, the information he gave at that meeting was most valuable. I heard him and I also saw the reaction from the 600 organisations that were represented.

I stood back and realised what a valuable contribution this journalist was making. A committed Catholic, all John was doing was parting with inside information on atrocities that are committed against fellow Christians. Everything he said was backed up by hard, cold facts!

In the past twelve months I have had three different families come into our office in deep distress. Parents of one young woman were distraught. Their young daughter had been murdered by her in-laws, in much the same way as Parvati, whom I spoke about earlier. Well I told the story and then went over to the police authorities who had, until then, totally neglected the whole case. We went to the girls' in-laws and, as usually happens, they denied everything. We kept at it and the sum total is that there has been a conviction.

Gradually, at least in Chennai city, the incidents of sexual harassment, or "Eve-teasing" -- the word that we often use -- have begun to come down. Since the start of this year there have been 560 cases as against 1,200 for the same period last year. Women and their issues are important to me as a Christian.

But there are also the stories of hope that we can tell, the stories that speak of honesty and goodness, qualities that seem to be vanishing before our very yes. I recently met a 99-year-old bishop. We interviewed him about his life, and, sitting right up, next to him with the camera registering every line on his face, I saw his eyes fill with tears. He was saying how he still felt strong enough to work. "What work would you do, Your Grace?" I prodded him. He answered me, in utmost simplicity. "Anything.anything..anything for God. I feel strong enough to do even manual work." This from an old man who was shuffling around his room and needed help much of the time.

I for one, strongly believe that although I call this my chosen profession, I believe it is also my calling. No matter how dark or gloomy the path may seem at times, it is my duty to light a candle of commitment to the truth of what I report. We, who work for organisations that give us the power to report the story, and to report it truthfully and without bias, must be persistent and dedicated enough to delve, to drive and dig deep into the issues that threaten any of our fellow human beings or any community.

Instead of merely scratching the surface, we need to mine for the truth, so that we can awaken a movement for truth. A movement that will generate the triumph of the spirit. We need no charter. All that we need is a solemn personal affirmation that each in his or her own way will function as unfetteredÂ ambassadors of truth so that, at the end of the day, we will make our contribution to influence a beginning for change. I know it's not easy, but I sincerely want to keep trying. I am ready. Are you ready too? Christian media persons like ourselves have to use the power we have to influence. We have to light a candle. No, let all of us together light a fire!

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Above is from a speech of none other than Jennifer Arul the much celebrated light of NDTV spilling the beans at an international conference in England in 1999.

On another site from an Interview:
QUOTENew Delhi Television (NDTV) reporter Jennifer Arul, who has made a name for herself by fighting against violence in the caste system

âDowry deathsâ are a by-product of arranged marriages, which are still prevalent in Indian culture.Â Historically, the groomâs family will ask for a dowry from the bride to cement their union. However, as Arul pointed out in her speech, the groomâs family often demands more than the original dowry. When the brideâs family can give no more, the groom may have the bride killed to punish her family.

As a television reporter for New Delhi Television (NDTV), one of Indiaâs leading news organizations, Arul has chosen to focus on reporting stories of the downtrodden and abused instead of covering front-page, hard-news stories.

In addition to speaking on the effects of dowry deaths in India, Arul addressed the deeper, personal reasons why she feels the need to use her Christian faith as a basis for the type of work she does in a predominantly non-Christian country.

âI think that we should use our Christian faith to help people speak out and tell the truth,â says Arul. âIn that process, I think that we all, every single one of us, have fulfilled our calling, whatever that calling may be.â

Arul unashamedly wears a cross necklace at all times around her neck, and makes sure it is visible when she reports. Because she feels that it is virtually impossible to separate personal values from reporting, Arul openly reveals her beliefs.

âAs a journalist, you canât remain uninvolved,â Arul said. âIf I can bring this little Christian twist to my story, Iâll do it.â 


Some other speeches she gave on different occasions abroad:

QUOTEChapel Address by Jennifer Arul, New Delhi TV:

The Calling of the Christian Journalist: Bringing Injustice to Light

The Christian Journalist as Change Agent

Journalism Through the Eyes of Faith


some more gems from the lady:

QUOTEIn a nation where Christians are in a minority, the responsibility of telling the truth is much, much greater than if one is operating in a largely Christian framework.

There are many tempting options for a Christian journalist â¦and all of us here have been tempted I daresayâ¦ to cover the more exciting story, the more sensational one.

Sometimes one is accused of inciting violence and not promoting religious tolerance and I donât know if there is anyone here who has been subjected to that. But if a Church is desecrated or nuns raped and murdered can we, or rather should we remain silent? No indeed. We have a moral commitment to bring that story or issue to the surface, no matter what it takes.

Do we believe we are journalists first and foremost and only then does the Christian label get tagged on? Its a tricky question and one that needs thinking about. As for me I believe that being a Christian journalist puts me in a uniquely privileged position to bring the truth, as I see it, to my 375 million viewers who are of course the Public Square.

http://www.ocrpl.org/?p=24


QUOTENDTV Ltd is all set to launch two non-news channels and a second local news channel by the end of this year.

NDTV Metronation Chennai will also take up development and civic issues affecting the people of Chennai.Â âWe are launching this channel in partnership with the The Hindu Group. We are in the process of finalising the name of the channel.â Jennifer Arul has been made the Managing Editor of this new channel.


Now, the money trail will not be too far.... Here probably is one front in sight...

This INR 16 Crore company, called Advent Software, Based in Chennai, does not apparently do any thing worth the mention, if its website is any indication.

And, well, its Director is a certain Mr. Michael Arul (apparently the husband of Mrs. Jennifer Arul).

According to the Market history, the company made nothing substancial in the last many years of its existance, if their P/L sheet is any indication...

Above all, any sane person will find Its P/L totally screwed considering it is for a Software company -- one third expenditure is miscellaneous!

And yet, it is a 100% EOU, it seems (which generally means tax holiday for years, depends upon which state though, not sure abt TN), and making a very decent top line - about 9 Crores per year for last couple of years...(as per the data available on MoneyControl.com)

And 100% EOU (Export Oriented Unit) in any case raises alarms ...

Auditors? Guess Guess, another Christ company... "Pratapkaran Paul & Co"

And by the way, the name 'Advent' itself rings something?

Bharatvarsh · 08-29-2008, 02:18 AM

Jennifer Arul pic:

http://www.bethel.edu/special-events/jtef/...ul-jennifer.jpg

G.Subramaniam · 08-29-2008, 03:24 AM

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 29 2008, 02:18 AM)Jennifer Arul pic:

http://www.bethel.edu/special-events/jtef/...ul-jennifer.jpg
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Is this bimbo married into the family of Naxal Ram

08-29-2008, 06:14 AM

Report on J.Arul's was done by Point Loma Nazarene Weekly (PNLU) for its paper "The Point Weekly". PNLU is a Christian faith based University. No surprise.

G.Subramaniam · 08-29-2008, 06:41 AM

http://www.globalministries.org/news/sasia...the-church.html

Maoists and the church: Strange bedfellows in an emerging new Nepal

Written by W. Evan Golder
May 10, 2008
Maoist leader Prachanda (front row wearing garland) with Nepalis church leaders.

If pre-election promises made in the Himalayan kingdom of Nepal hold true, we can put away those mental images of Maoists as the bad guys inciting violence in that country.

On April 10, Nepal held elections for a new constituent assembly and the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) won at least a plurality of the 601 seats. And who was its key ally? The National Council of Churches of Nepal. The NCCN is a new partner church of Global Ministries, the combined witness of the UCC and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ).

Just a dozen years ago, such a partnership would have been unthinkable.

Last year, the Rev. Cally Rogers-Witte, Executive Minister of the UCC's Wider Church Ministries, and the Rev. James Vijayakumar, Global Ministries Southern Asia Executive, spoke to a Napalis audience of 350 local church leaders. They said that God created the whole world, that all persons are God's children, and that the Christian faith calls Christians to work for peace and justice and democracy.

One Maoist leader in a similar church gathering responded that 11 years ago he personally had ordered that a church be burned. At that time, he said, the Maoists were fighting capitalism, feudalism and imperialism â and he saw the church as a visible symbol of western imperialism. So he ordered it burned.

But now, he said, I see that the church is interested in human rights, poverty, human dignity and freedom of speech. These are our fundamental values, too.

Decades of widespread human rights violations and poverty had led to the rise of Maoism. The Maoists took up the cause of farmers and the rural poor and took arms against the national army.

Their 10-year insurgency cost 14,000 lives.

Besides targeting the 239-year-old royal dynasty, the Maoists also took aim at the church, which they saw only as other-worldly and uncaring about the country's social, political and economical issues. Many in the church did hold negative attitudes toward people of other faiths, and refused to cooperate on common issues.

But another group of Christians was beginning to plan for a peaceful future for Nepal. The NCCN had been formed in 1999, but only became fully operational in 2003 when Dr. K.B. Rokaya became General Secretary.

In 2006, under a UN-brokered peace deal, the Maoists surrendered their arms and entered the political realm, effectively ending the civil war. Among other things, they agreed to the election of a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution and create a parliamentary republic, thereby ending the monarchy.

After the cease fire, the NCCN played a major role in bringing all faith groups into the process of "building a new Nepal."

The Maoists' alliance with the church came about as they learned that the NCCN was concerned about working to alleviate poverty and defending human rights when abuses occur.

Will the peaceful efforts that led to the elections carry through to the rewriting of the constitution and the establishment of a new government?

Vijayakumar thinks they will. "This is a big revolution," he says. "The election is seen as a very positive thing by the church, as part of a growing awareness that the church needs to participate in the life of a new Nepal.

Critics note that although the Maoists say they do not want to go back to war, neither have they renounced armed struggle.

However, the former insurgent leader Prachanda, whose name means "the fierce one" in Napali, has pledged that the Maoists will be faithful to their mandate from the people "to consolidate lasting peace."

For More Information
James Vijayakumar
Area Executive
Southern Asia
700 Prospect Ave.
Cleveland,Ohio 44115

216-736-3228
Phone: 866-822-8224 ext. 3228
Fax: 216-736-3203
vijayj@ucc.org

G.Subramaniam · 08-29-2008, 06:55 AM

http://www.zahndfamily.com/bzblog/2006/0...report.php
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Sunday, February 26, 2006
Orissa Report

This blog is coming to you from Visakhapatnam, India where I am spending the night after completing a fabulous conference in Semiliguda, Orissa. Tomorrow I will travel to New Delhi and be there for a few days before returning home. P.G. Vargis, the founder of Indian Evangelical Team (IET), asked me not to say anything publicly about the location of the meetings in Orissa until they were completed. Having just completed the conference, I am free to talk about them now.

The Orissa Peace Festival in Semiliguda, India was a huge success, surpassing everyone's expectations. The state of Orissa has been the site of violent persecution of Christians and Semiliguda has seen several Christian workers and missionaries killed in recent months and years, including the much publicized martyrdom of the Australian missionary and his two sons. Yesterday I had breakfast with a group of pastors who were beaten last month for preaching the gospel in Orissa.

Choosing Orissa for the site of a major Christian leadership conference was a daring step of faith, but P.G. and I felt it was time for a breakthrough in Orissa, and as the site of several martyrdoms, Semiliguda was a spiritually significant location to hold the conference. Initially we had planned to accommodate a thousand pastors and leaders for this five day conference, but when several thousand more expressed a desire to attend, the plans were altered to make the conference grounds a kind tent city with the attendees sleeping, eating and living at the site. In the end we accommodated around 3,500 on the grounds and put 500 in nearby hotels.

Although this was a leadership conference and not a meeting open to the public, some of the people from the town of Semiliguda came to the conference grounds on the edge of town at night out of curiosity. On Friday night the police told us there were 7,000 people present and Saturday night we had more than 8,000 people!

Beginning the first day the police set up their own tent on the grounds and stationed 70 policemen at the site. None of the IET leaders regarded this as a good thing. The police in Orissa are usually active participants in the persecution of Christians. But P.G. had an idea from the Lord and invited the police chief to a special ceremony where he was honored with a garland. At the ceremony the police chief said, "People think I am anti-Christian, but I'm not. I was educated in a Christian school." He then gave his officers a strict order to allow the meetings to go on without harassment.

Nevertheless, things remained tense and P.G. and the senior IET leaders kept a wary eye on the crowd and the police. I was never allowed to sit on the platform and was never introduced as a preacher. P.G. would say that he and his wife, Lilly, and his daughter, Grace, were the preachers. They would get up, speak for five minutes, and then P.G. would say he had a friend he wanted to introduce and bring a "greeting." P.G. would introduce me as a friend bringing a greeting, and then as he handed me the microphone, he would whisper, "Preach for an hour and a half." We did this twice a day and every evening. So three times a day I would bring a 90 minute "greeting." I was told the police were wondering, "Who is this greeting man?"

Because several thousand local people were coming at night, the evening meetings took on the tone of an evangelistic event. The last three nights I preached strong evangelistic messages, and then would turn it over to P.G. who would lead the crowd in a sinner's prayer.

Even the name of the conference -- Orissa Peace Festival -- was a deliberate euphemism so as not to evoke hostility. One morning I woke up at 5:00 and the Lord gave me an evangelistic message I called, "Ten Things the Bible Says about Peace." I believe it was very effective. In the daytime sessions I primarily taught on faith.

Today as we made the five hour drive from Semiliguda to Visakhapatnam, P.G. told me he thought these were the most powerful meetings he's ever been in. I can't tell you how happy that made me!

Thank you for praying for me and the conference and a special thank you to the Joseph Company for underwriting this awesome event. Only heaven will reveal all that has been accomplished this week.

I'm tired, but happy.

As I was checking into the hotel here in Visakhapatnam, the bellman said to me (and I quote), "Sir, you need to rest now. You look wery tired."

I think I'll go for a walk on the beach, and then get something to eat.

I'll tell you more later.

Thank you, Jesus, for a great victory in Orissa!

BZ
Posted By Brian Zahnd | 2/26/2006 05:04:00 AM | permalink |

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-29-2008, 02:54 PM by Husky.)

DMK=cryptos, hence posting in this thread

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=7044&SKIN=B
QUOTEThe TN Government scam to grab the Temple lands-Exposed
28/08/2008 03:44:50Â

Tenants of mutt and temple lands seek ownership rights: The TN Government scam to grab the Temple lands

VedaprakashSuddenly islamaniacs and communists are "tenants" of Hindu temple lands in TN and are claiming ownership.

Christos are bringing their plans forward. Look at number of major anti-Hindu events they've mounted in a very short time. Media takeover (plus communists in India and Nepal tend to be christos, from Margaret Roy, Naxal Ram's wives, etc.), framing of Kanchi Shankaracharya, Nepal takeover, Ramarsethu, Orissa swami murder, open Temple destructions and takeover by christo DMK in TN.

This whole 'hide behind communist/DMK/psecular' label is a very christian thing. They don't want to be held responsible in the future for having destroyed Hindu Dharma the way they have always openly destroyed other civilisations in the past. So they pretend it was 'secular' situation that slowly caused Hinduism to "ebb away". Hindus must say it openly now or else history won't record what the real name of the menace was.
Record for posterity, because that is part of the fight. Look at how CNN's lies on the situation regarding Swami has been spinned. That is what the (christoterrorist) history is intended to look like in future. But we know better.

Note also that the media's continuous use of "minority" community - this is another christian thing, especially when it comes to later debates on who attacked who. I wouldn't put it past christoterrorists to behave again like they did with Ancient Rome: they can one day try to twist it all around and say that Hindus were the violent aggressive "minority" being referred to. (Christos turned many martyrs amongst the Ancient Romans into christian victims of Roman tyranny instead - McCabe says how many in the christo martyr lists were actually pagans who had been persecuted).

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-29-2008, 02:53 PM by Husky.)

Continued from the final paragraphs of the previous post.

This is an Orissan who wrote on Haindava Keralam.
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=7025&SKIN=C
QUOTESwamiji Killing in Khandhmal
Respected Sir, I already send my message for the killing of dynamic Hindu leaders. Whether you beleive or no he was person of utmost copurage.he never care his death for the cause of Hindus in thalst 3 decades. For his only initiation he constructed a Kanyaasram, School, Sanscrit College with a little money.He never sit a air conditions room, like other sadhu are sitting and talking big things. He always beleive the ground relaity of hindu tribal.otherwise this person goes and prefer the tribal area of orisa.What a person he was.whether u r aware or not it was 8th attempt on his life. But the impotent police took it lightly. May the police personel bribed by the Chrstian missionaries. Swamiji was on hunger strike in the month of July for stopping of cow slaugher. In front of hinm these so called converted chrstian butchered cows. This the ground relaity of hindus in In India. But sorry to say we are paying clable bill to see all the anti hindu things in our own house. Whether it missionariy school or any other event.

No doubt it is the handi work of Chrstain missionaries in Khandhmal and worldviosn having hand direcltly.They have support from congress M.P Mr.Radhakant Nayak in that area- he is converted chrstian, only in the name sake name has not been changed.But our english media are mum on this. It is only happen to hindus in bahrat.

But one thing I would like to remind you our hindu brothers and sisters are retaliate properly the way these Chrstain missionaries understand. We will find dawn to dusk for the sake of my mother culture.Jai Hind. jai Jaganath.Hindus must do something for our fellow Hindus being trampled by christoterrorism.
Must protect Hindus and the Hindu Swamis trying to protect them.

**acharya** · 08-29-2008, 08:06 PM

I have a quick take on the violence in Orissa ,the views of a friend who has studied the same.Tribals,conversions,religious groups,violence ,etc.Perhaps this will clarify the situ and shed some light onto the problem.

The current reason for the Vatican's concern is that Catholics have been systematically and specifically targeted by one section of extremists,in a calculated manner.This group wants to eliminate the good work being done amongst the tribals by "Catholic" missionaries.These are, let us call them "orthodox" missionaries,whose aim is the upliftment and emancipation of illiterates and the poor,mostly tribals.The "orthodox" (Catholics)are not of the "evangelical" (American neo-Protestant)type.To give you an idea of how the Evangelical types function,or at least some of them (this is a first person account),one individual in another part of the country was offered upto "8 lakhs" if his family of four converted! This type has a different "mission",funding from Uncle Sam.A goodly part of the funding from the US is allegedly kept by the "pastor/farmer" ,who looks for a good "harvest" of souls to be converted.The more he converts,the more money he gets and everyone stays happy.The convert-who's got money in his pocket,the "pastor/farmer",who is being rewarded on earth for his pains by his master and the "master",the foreign provider of funds,whose grand scheme and operation is being executed according to plan.

Now,you may ask what has this all got to do with the tribals in Orissa and tribal conversions? well,the tribals are sitting on "tribal land" and formerly,when they needed money they asked for small amounts,pledging their valuable land as security.With literacy comes understanding of one's rights ,the true value of their land and naturally they now know how much their land is worth and are fighting for their rights! The extremist goons,who are stormtroopers for a motley gang of land grabbers are trying to prevent this emncipation of the illiterate and underprivileged.We are seeing at Singur the extent to what this can lead to.Sheer greed and the desire to grab tribal land is taking place all over the country,being committed by all shades and colours of the Indian spectrum .In some places and cases,religion and Marx has got mixed up with it,educating or supporting tribal rights,leading to conflict.

**acharya** · 08-29-2008, 08:22 PM

Rival christian groups are fighting to own tribal land

Hindus are caught between them

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