Line Of Control - Between India And Pakistan

10-18-2008, 06:57 PM

From the above news article:

QUOTEGen Casey will be briefed on high-altitude land warfare techniques during his visit to Siachen base camp.

Since Siachen is India's highest battlefield, I'm sure we have developed some techniques/procedures to operate safely up there.

On a more conspiratorial note, there were articles few weeks back from zardari about some good news in Kashmir front. Maybe there are negotiations ongoing to verify ground positions and demarcate a border.

The Americans might be pressuring us to deliver something tangible on Kashmir -- in the interest of South Asian stability. We are already delivering aid to Bajaur so why not go a step further?

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Naresh · 10-18-2008, 10:14 PM

QUOTE(thayilv @ Oct 18 2008, 06:57 PM)From the above news article:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEGen Casey will be briefed on high-altitude land warfare techniques during his visit to Siachen base camp.

Since Siachen is India's highest battlefield, I'm sure we have developed some techniques/procedures to operate safely up there.

On a more conspiratorial note, there were articles few weeks back from zardari about some good news in Kashmir front. Maybe there are negotiations ongoing to verify ground positions and demarcate a border.

*The Americans might be pressuring us to deliver something tangible on Kashmir -- in the interest of South Asian stability. We are already delivering aid to Bajaur so why not go a step further?

The Hindu
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thayilv Ji :

* : Despite my being totally against such an act I regret to add that I have to agree with you. <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' />

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10-18-2008, 10:35 PM

Zardari Kashmir comments are based on reality. After great Earthquake of POK, whole terrorist infrastructure along with active foot soldiers and future generation perished (govt estimate - 200K died). That was total loss. To recover from that set back will take decades.
Plus fundoos are hit by US and Paki Army in FATA and surrounding area.

If US tries to buddy with India, China will do same with Pakistan.
After US election things will be clearer.

ravish · 10-22-2008, 01:17 PM

[Nareshji,

Consequent upon the signing of the Indo-US Nuclear Deal and the ever increasing interaction between the two countries on Defense related matters, perhaps a new scenario is emerging in South Asia. The developments particularly during the Bush era have very far reaching consequences.

The shifting of importance of Pakistan in the mind of the US policy makers in recent years towards India has been gradual but well thought after. I am of the view that the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war has been one of the reasons for this change in heart. However, we simply cannot ignore the economic growth of India as an important factor which has lead to this changed status.

In view of the above developments , the future bilateral relations between India and Pakistan will have to be conducted in a different background and the limitations on both sides will also be different. The China factor is expected to be more prominent in times of any future crisis.

On the Indian side, with the elections expected in a few months it is unlikely that any major shift in policy will take place in the next few months.

Bodhi · (This post was last modified: 10-22-2008, 02:31 PM by Bodhi.)

A keen observer can not miss that what happened in 1830s, in the same region, is being played out again. Almost the same forces at the game with a new realignment. The role of East India Company is of course replaced by Uncle Sam. In the aftereffects two things happened: Afghanistan was allowed to go back to the feudal Islamic forces, with commitment to reject Russia any play. Kashmir was given to a Hindu ruler, a british puppet, to merely govern without any real power. Punjab was forcibly annexed after being fooled and tricked as an ally. Islamist Wahabis were taken out using native soldiers and european bayonets.

Overall, the resultant was a complex of balance in favour of British interests that lasted for next one century and beyond.

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 10-22-2008, 03:39 PM by Naresh.)

QUOTE(ravish @ Oct 22 2008, 01:17 PM)[Nareshji,

Consequent upon the signing of the Indo-US Nuclear Deal and the ever increasing interaction between the two countries on Defense related matters, perhaps a new scenario is emerging in South Asia. The developments particularly during the Bush era have very far reaching consequences.

The shifting of importance of Pakistan in the mind of the US policy makers in recent years towards India has been gradual but well thought after. I am of the view that the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war has been one of the reasons for this change in heart. However, we simply cannot ignore the economic growth of India as an important factor which has lead to this changed status.

* : In view of the above developments , the future bilateral relations between India and Pakistan will have to be conducted in a different background and the limitations on both sides will also be different. The China factor is expected to be more prominent in times of any future crisis.

On the Indian side, with the elections expected in a few months it is unlikely that any major shift in policy will take place in the next few months.
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ravish Ji :

I feel that the Indian Political Leadership - the Kaangress Kammunist Kriminal Klan along with their so-called Hindu Liberal Secular Wagah Kandle Kissers - is either clueless or unwilling to consider that Indiaâs Interests are Paramount rather than âWe want to be known as the Huggy Huggy Kissy Kissy Good Guysâ.

* : I base my thinking on the following three - though there are many more - important points :

1. Four the last Decade or so - and I am sure even earlier - Pakistanis in their Hundreds of Thousands visit India of course with a Valid India Visit Visa. I trust you are aware that the Indian High Commission in Islamabad is issuing over Ten thousand India Visit Visas every month to the Pakistanis.

Of these Visitors Pakistanis in their Tens of Thousands do not return to Pakistan and continue to remain in India. As such the ISI does not have to send âInfiltratorsâ in an Illegal Manner when the Indian Government is happy to have Tens of Thousands of Pakistanis remain in India Illegally and I am sure a sizable number of them will eventually become âISI Operativesâ

I would request your views on this development.

2. The Cross-Border trade with Pakistan especially in Jammu and Kashmir where the âVisa Systemâ has been dispensed with will lead to further âTerrorismâ.

3. The Pakistani Industries - in over Thirty Sectors - has been destroyed by Chinese Imports. The Pakistani People will not utter a âDickie Birdâ about this âDestructionâ of Pakistan Industry by Indian Industry.

As such these Imports from India will further exacerbate the situation wherein the Indian Goods will Destroy, maybe, Ten corresponding Pakistani Industries leading to, I am sure, even more hatred for India.

I would therefore request your views on this development too.

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10-22-2008, 08:28 PM

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Oct 22 2008, 02:27 PM)A keen observer can not miss that what happened in 1830s, in the same region, is being played out again.Â Almost the same forces at the game with a new realignment.Â The role of East India Company is of course replaced by Uncle Sam.Â In the aftereffects two things happened:Â Afghanistan was allowed to go back to the feudal Islamic forces, with commitment to reject Russia any play.Â Kashmir was given to a Hindu ruler, a british puppet, to merely govern without any real power.Â Punjab was forcibly annexed after being fooled and tricked as an ally.Â Islamist Wahabis were taken out using native soldiers and european bayonets.Â

Overall, the resultant was a complex of balance in favour of British interests that lasted for next one century and beyond.
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You are on dot. Weak leadership and traitors in Delhi is a problem.
We will see same outcome.
Again one billion failed to produce a single Indian leader.

11-29-2008, 04:30 AM

QUOTESoldier injured in firing at Line of Control 
A soldier was wounded when some unidentified gunmen opened fire on the patrol party of the army from across the India-Pakistan border in Khour area of Akhnoor on November 27-night, Kashmir Times reported. Official sources in Jammu said that unidentified assailants fired indiscriminately from across the border on the army patrol party at the Border out Post in Khour along the Line of Control (LoC) in Akhnoor sector of Jammu district. The exchange of fire between the two sides continued from fifteen minutes.

12-26-2008, 07:24 AM

youtube - Times NOW report
Mumbai Terror Attack Pak deploys troops along LoC

06-08-2009, 08:03 PM

Infiltration bid foiled; Major among five killedQUOTEAn army Major, another soldier and three militants were killed when security forces thwarted an infiltration bid by ultras from across the border in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara district on Monday.

Army confronted a group of heavily-armed militants at Gulab Post near the Line of Control when they were trying to sneak into Kashmir valley, SSP (Kupwara) Uttam Chand told PTI.

The militants fired at security forces in a bid to escape and in the resultant gunfight, two soldiers, one of them a Major, and three ultras were killed.

The army personnel killed were Major Rushikash Vauadhai and Sepoy Jagtar Singh, both belonging to the 23 Punjab unit.
A Junior Commissioned Officer was also wounded in the gunbattle and was hospitalised.

The SSP said a massive search operation was launched by the army in the area three days ago following reports that ultras from across the border might infiltrate into the valley.

06-29-2009, 11:44 AM

Army jawan killed in firing near LoCQUOTEAn Army jawan was killed in firing from across the border at a forward post along the Line of Control [ Images ] in Poonch district in the wee hours of Monday, according to defence sources.

Sepoy Mohinder Singh was killed in firing from across the border at Khari near Chakan-da-Bagh crossing point, they said.

The details about the firing were being ascertained, said a defence spokesman in Jammu.

As expected India will never response.

07-05-2009, 01:13 AM

QUOTEInfiltrator shot dead near Attari
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Jagmohan Singh | Amritsar
A Pakistani young intruder, aged nearly 22, created tension at international boundary in the evening here on Saturday when he ignored the repeated warnings of BSF (Border Security Force) and crossed over to Indian territory whereupon he was shot dead on the spot. Incident took place near the Attari Check Post at Rorawali Indo Pak border village.

A senior Intelligence officer, posted on Indo Pak border, confirming the incident said that information in this regard has already been passed to Union Ministry of Home Affairs through the Delhi based BSF Headquarter. He said that this incident has been taken very seriously and matter would be taken up with the Pakistan Rangers by BSF on Saturday night during the flag meeting to get the attendants of dead intruder.

07-21-2009, 09:39 PM

QUOTETwo Pakistani intruders arrested in Jammu and Kashmir 
According to Daily Excelsior, the Security Forces arrested a Pakistani intruder in the Poonch while another was detained in the R S Pura area of Jammu sector on July 20. Official sources said that Army personnel captured the Pakistani intruder, identified as Mohammed Bashir, a resident of Rawalpindi, near Betar in Poonch when he managed to cross over to the Indian side during the early hours. In addition, Border Security Force personnel captured another Pakistani intruder when he was trying to cross over to the Indian side from Abdullian area in the R S Pura sector. He was later identified as Arshad Ahmed, a resident of Karol village in the Sialkot District.

07-27-2009, 11:11 PM

QUOTE110 incidents of ceasefire violation in last three years
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PTI | New Delhi
110 incidents of ceasefire violation from Pakistani side have taken place along the Line of Control (LoC) since 2006 in which nine Indian security personnel were killed, Government
said today.

"A total of 110 incidents of ceasefire violations have taken place along the LoC in Jammu and Kashmir since 2006. These include 47 incidents of trans-LoC firing... Our troops have suffered nine fatal and 25 non-fatal casualties," Defence Minister A K Antony said in written reply to a question in Lok Sabha.

A maximum of 77 such incidents had taken place in 2008, 21 in the 2007 and 3 in 2006.

"Nine violations have taken place so far this year," he added.

Meanwhile, replying to another query, Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju said that 690 officers and soldiers were killed on duty in the same period.

"54 officers, 62 Junior Commissioned Officers and 574 other ranks have been killed on duty since 2006," he said.

The Defence Minister said that Indian troops take strong action against any attempts to violate the LoC violation while maintaining adequate restraint to prevent escalation. 

Now name, check post name on brave Paki who are crossing LOC and killing Indian Army.

08-08-2009, 04:07 AM

QUOTEArmy, BSF on high alert on India-Pakistan border
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IANS | Jammu
The army and the Border Security Force (BSF) have stepped up patrolling in Jammu and Kashmir along the border with Pakistan to foil possible infiltration by terrorists ahead of India's Independence Day Aug 15, officials said Friday.

A senior BSF official told IANS on condition of anonymity: "We have stepped up patrolling especially at night to prevent any infiltration by militants from Pakistan."

The army guards the 720 km-long Line of Control (LoC) dividing the Indian and Pakistani administered Kashmir. The BSF patrols 220 km of international border in the Jammu region.

A three-tier barbed wire fence has been erected along the border on the Indian side to deter infiltration bids but there are some open points like rivers or rivulets that offer free spaces.

The infiltrators have at times even managed to cut the fence to sneak into India. The fence is 500 meters to two kilometres inside Indian territor

09-09-2009, 09:19 AM

Infiltration bid foiled near LoC; army major, 2 militants killedQUOTETwo militants and an army officer were killed in a pre-dawn encounter when security personnel foiled an infiltration bid in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir, a senior army official said.

During patrolling in forward area along LoC on Tuesday troops observed movement of a group of armed militants along the Line of Control (LoC) in Sonagali area of Mendhar sub-sector, and challenged them, the official told PTI.

The militants opened fire on the troops and hurled grenades, the official said, adding, the army personnel retaliated and a gunbattle took place in which the two infiltrators were killed and the army officer in the rank of Major lost his life.

09-13-2009, 08:51 AM

QUOTEIndia lodges strong protest after rockets fired from Pak
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PTI | Amritsar
India on Saturday lodged a strong protest with Pakistan over the firing of three rockets from across the border that exploded two kilometres inside Punjab.

The issue was raised at a flag meeting between the BSF and Pakistani Rangers in the wee hours after the missiles landed in open fields in Modhey and Dhoneya Khurd villages in Attari sector on the Indo-Pak border, prompting retaliatory gunfire from the Indian border troops.

There was no damage or casualty on the Indian side due to the Pakistani action last night, BSF Inspector General Himmat Singh said.

"We held a flag meeting at about 1 am and made a very strong protest to them (Pakistani Rangers) about this incident," he told reporters here.

"Yesterday night, at about 10 pm, the BSF troops posted at Pulkanjini border outpost saw flashlights and firing from Pakistan territory and after a very short gap, they heard explosions," Singh said.

"Our troops on the border retaliated immediately, very strongly...After that no incident of fire from Pakistani side was reported," he said.

"Three rockets were fired from Pakistani side. There was no damage but it raises suspicion about developments on the other side of the border," a BSF official said.

During the meeting, the Rangers "feigned ignorance (about the incident) but said they will look into it," he said.

New Delhi suspects that the border incidents were mainly aimed at diverting attention of the Indian forces to push in infiltrators.

Pakistan Rangers denies firing of rockets in Indian territory

Lahore: Pakistan's border security forces on Saturday rejected a contention by their Indian counterparts that several rockets were fired into Indian territory from across the border in the Wagah sector.

09-18-2009, 10:33 AM

QUOTEPakistani forces fire on BSF post, 2 jawans injured
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PTI | Jammu
Two BSF jawans were injured Thursday night when their observation post came under fire from Pakistani side across the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir's Akhnoor sector, after which the border guards retaliated using small arms.

The firing from Pakistani side at around 1845 hours was directed at the observation post along the fenced frontier at Nikkowal area of the sector, BSF sources said adding two jawans received bullet injuries.

The BSF hit back by firing from small arms.

09-24-2009, 02:52 AM

QUOTEMajor among 8 killed in J&K encounters
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Khursheed Wani | Srinagar
Two fierce encounters in North Kashmir left four terrorists and an equal number of soldiers, including a Major, dead on Wednesday. Two of the slain militants were âdistrict commandersâ of the Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Tayyeba outfits. Six soldiers were injured in the gun battles while a hideout was smashed to smithereens during the prolonged exchange of fire.

Spokesman of the Srinagar-based XV Corps Col Umamaheshwar confirmed the death of a Major and three soldiers and said the search operation near the encounter sites was in progress till late in the evening.

The spurt in violence, sources said, was an effort by terrorists to enter India before snowfall blocked the entry routes for infiltrators. They said that hundreds of armed militants were waiting across the border to ingress. While many infiltration attempts were foiled, there were reports that some militants had successfully entered into the Valley to augment the dwindling numbers of insurgents in Jammu & Kashmir. Sources said the focus of infiltration was both the Jammu and Kashmir provinces.

Police sources said the lethal gun battle between security forces and the terrorists started on Tuesday evening at Baniyari Watalpora, an island-like habitation in Wullar Lake, near Sumbal in North Kashmirâs Bandipora district. The security forces were tipped off that militants were hiding in a house formerly owned by a top counter-insurgent, Bashir Yaar, who was killed by terrorists in a mine explosion six years back. The security forces cordoned off the concrete house, only to receive a volley of bullets from inside. A police officer said the militants had a large quantity of ammunition dumped in the basement of the house.

In the first bout of fire, three soldiers were injured. Sources said a column of 13 Rashtriya Rifles, led by Major Suresh Suri, attempted to enter the house but militants shot them pointblank. Four Armymen, including Major Gautam Raj Reshi and Major Kamlesh Kumar, got injured in the encounter and were airlifted for treatment by para-troopers who joined the flush-out operation.

The encounter ended only after the hideout was razed by mortar shelling. Sources said one of the slain militants was Pasha, a top-ranking militant of the Hizbul Mujahideen, who was active in the area for a decade. An award of Rs 10 lakh had been announced on his head.

The second encounter took place at Ladoora village in Rafiabad pocket of Baramulla. Two terrorists and two soldiers belonging to 32 Rashtriya Rifles died in the incident. The slain troopers have been identified as Devika Sagar and Ram Dass. Two soldiers also received injuries in the gun battle.

Defence sources said the slain militants probably were part of the group of militants that had recently sneaked into Kashmir to increase the level of violence. âRafiabad jungles are an extension of the infiltration routes in Kupwara district. The encounter and the level of casualties inflicted on the Army indicate that the militants were fresh recruits from Pakistan,â a defence expert said. A fortnight ago, a Major was killed by infiltrators in the Akhnoor sector of Jammu.

Sources said that apart from carrying out fresh infiltrations, the militants were targeting the populated areas to demonstrate their presence. In August, two major attacks in Srinagar city left three CRPF personnel dead and a dozen injured when terrorists struck in the State capital with automatic weapons and grenades.

09-29-2009, 02:02 AM

QUOTEIndia bans calls to Pakistan from border areas

NEW DELHI: India has banned phone calls to Pakistan from the border areas of Bikaner in Rajasthan. According to the district administration, a two-month ban has been imposed inside a 2-km radius of the border in the Bikaner district, an Indian English daily reported. The local administration has also directed all local PCOs not to allow any calls to Pakistan. app [/CODE]

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