<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Requesting IF Admin to:</span>
1. move posts 134-136, 138, 139, 202, 205 <i>and this post</i>
2. AND <b>move every other post</b> vinodreddy gade makes <i>both now and in the future</i>
to its very own separate thread. Can call the new thread "vinodreddy gade monologues", so that we all know where we may find his opinions in case we ever want to expose ourselves again to more ill-timed and poor-quality comedy. I think such a solution is very in line with "freedom of speech" while still preserving our <i>freedom to be spared the never-ending psecular claptrap</i>.
There should be some charge applicable to those who always tire other people with their incessant insipid talk, which these uninvited then imagine is 'clever' or 'reasonable' or a 'true discussion of the different points of view on a topic'. Insipidity does not qualify as a point of view. It only attains the level of being eligible to be Permanently Ignored.
The psecular uninvited never read everything on this forum and its archives and at its links until they know what others here learn by reading (like I did). They just want their unoriginal and uninformed opinions (or opinions unaffected by facts) to be heard and reheard as if these would constitute Eureka moments if only people here could be battered by them frequently enough. It is for the pseculars, then, that I ask Admin to consider the option of the Pseculars Monologue thread.
<b>Please Admin,</b> <i>je vous en supplit</i>. Enough with the entities that always invite themselves over to insinuate the same old psecular time-waster arguments, deluding themselves into thinking they are being original and are saying something no one else ever heard of/thought of/encountered. I've had it with their swallowing my time and distracting and interrupting many different threads. Of all the World Wide Web where their say will be put on a soap box and venerated like jeebus'-own-corpse-on-a-stauros (stake), they have to choose IF: they come all the way here to evangelically impose themselves on everyone with their unwanted oft-heard tiresome opinions. So if IF will indulge them by letting them have their own thread in some obscure corner of IF (say even the Trash Can) - it's certainly more than their dime-a-dozen views are worth - IF would have done its duty to the "Freedom of Speech" that pseculars only recall when they want to hound Hindus/Natural Traditionalists with their unsought opinions (but which they then always conveniently forget when we show how christoislamism is terrorising the world, at which point they want us to 'kindly' shut up).
<span style='color:blue'>For Vinod and his mental kindred:</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-vinodreddy gade+Dec 4 2008, 11:11 AM-->QUOTE(vinodreddy gade @ Dec 4 2008, 11:11 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> While one mentioned above has nothing to do with religion. Hitler accused Britain and United states both Christian majority countries of supporting Jews. So this is no Christians Vs Jews concept.[right][snapback]91369[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sou desu ka? Where did this entity study history? Oh I know, at communist central.
Here -
1. the belt buckle that every nazi wore:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
<img src='http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes/buckle.jpeg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
It says in German "Gott mit uns" (meaning: gawd with us) - referring to the non-existent christian gawd. The nazi soldiers wore that, standard gear.
2. See the photos of nazi nuns and priests at
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix2.htm. The page also has scanned images of documents emanating from christian priests maintaining concentration camps of Jews. They wrote letters to the German nazi state on how things were going in their concentration camps.
It says the images are taken from: "[KS] E.Klee, Die SA Jesu Christi. Die Kirchen im Banne Hitlers (The SA of Jesus Christ: The Churches Under Hitler), Frankfurt/Main: Fischer 1989. [Link]"
3. See
front cover of book "Kirche und Nationalsozialismus"/"Churches and nazism" - yes, that's the nazi symbol Hakenkreuz (Cross of hooks) flagging atop a christian church. If you can't be bothered clicking on it, here's yet another example:
4. <img src='http://hsozkult.geschichte.hu-berlin.de/media/beitraege/rezbuecher/umschlag_2749.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
^ Cover of the German book "Greetings to gawd (=christian gawd onlee) and <the infamous nazi greeting to WWII Germany's infamous catholic nazi tyrant>! Catholic Churches and national socialism in Austria". Original title with some mangling of nazi greet "Grüà Gott und Haiyle Hittler! Katholische Kirche und Nationalsozialismus in Ãsterreich".
See the nazi flags hanging on the spires? That was common in German churches you know. Nazi Germany was a faithfully christian country
6. See the photos of hitler and his men and the headstones (crosses) of the dead nazi German soldiers at
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One must not forget that Germany represented the most Christianized country in the world in the 1930s and 40s. Nazi Christian soldiers died as Protestants and Catholics and their grave markers testified to their religion.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Look at the many pictures there of the priests blessing their nazi sheep! So 'heart-warming'.
7. Catholic nazi Ustashe (Croatia) - mainly priests but also lay christians:
so many 'moving' pictures of the genocidal catholic maniacs here
(Most links and images found via
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A7a.htm and several earlier posts at IF)
Read the book <b>"Martin Luther: Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor" by Peter F. Wiener</b>
reviewed at
American Atheists:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Written during World War II as a "Win the Peace Pamphlet,"</b> this little book shocked England and America by its documentation of the close agreement in "principles" between the Catholic Adolf Hitler and the founder of the Lutheran Church. A professor of the German and French languages, the author delved into the never-translated writings of Martin Luther to show just how abominable Luther's thoughts were. Even though the author was restrained by British prudery from using gutter-English equivalents of Luther's gutter-German vocabulary, the vileness of Luther's writing is never in doubt. <b>Wiener was able to demonstrate beyond cavil that Hitler's duplicities, deceptions, anti-Semitism, and violent nature can all find parallels in Luther's life and writings.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Vinod will now write to the German Peter F Wiener who wrote this book during WWII and tell Wiener how he got history all wrong and how the psecular Vinod knows better. Vinod should tell Wiener (if the man's still alive) how he should not be religiously intolerant and should not name christianism...
I am sure Vinod must have heard of
protestant reformer <b>Maarten/Martin Luther's book "Of the Jews and their lies"</b>. Vinod would also know what a great inspiration he was to all the faithful christian nazis. Including this here one:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[Roman Catholic] Julius Streicher... published, edited, and wrote for the German newspaper Der Stürmer (nazi stormtrooper) and served as a prominent Nazi prior to and during World War II. When asked if there were any other anti-Semitic publications, other than Der Stürmer, published in Germany, Streicher replied:
    "Anti-Semitic publications have existed in Germany for centuries. A book I had, written by Dr. Martin Luther, was, for instance, confiscated. Dr. Martin Luther would very probably sit in my place in the defendants' dock today, if this book had been taken into consideration by the Prosecution. In this book The Jews and Their Lies, Dr. Martin Luther writes that the Jews are a serpent's brood and one should burn down their synagogues and destroy them..."
    -- Julius Streicher
Link
http://www.nobeliefs.com/henchmen.htm<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I also suggest Vinod and his clones read every page at
1.
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hakeem/
on the Holocaust throughout christian history
2.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
in particular
http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm Christianity in Europe during WWII
http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm Luther's book "Of the Jews and their lies". The nazis and their churches sent copies of this traditionally christian document into all corners of their holy christian reich
http://nobeliefs.com/Carroll.htm - a review of James Carroll's book "Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews", where the *christian* author explains exactly why the history of christianism = anti-semitism. Caroll notes:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No Catholic-born Nazi-- not Goebbels, Himmler, or Bormann; not even Adolf Hitler, who died with his name still on the rolls of the Catholic Church, and for whom the Catholic primate of Germany ordered the Requiem sung after his suicide-- was ever excommunicated for being a Nazi. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It was in fact worse, see:
3. Facts (news articles, direct quotes, and the like) on how the faithful christian Vatican helped the catholic ustashe nazis of Croatia and the German christian nazis of Germany escape from justice after the war. Apparently, this famous escape is referred to as the "Vatican ratlines":
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A7d.htm#Ratlines
Read all four pages
http://freetruth.50webs.org/A7a.htm to A7d which are on the fascism during WWII that was but the natural expression of *christianism* in that age. Same as how medieval fascism (called crusades and pogroms against Jews) was also christian.
4. And Vinod will then learn German - in case he hasn't already - in order to read the scholarly books by <b>Karlheinz Deschner</b> (= German historian on the church) on the history of christianism. Particularly KD's books on WWII, nazism, and the wartime popes and their natural love-affair with fascism - which are apparently just as scholastically excellent as the rest of Deschner's output.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vinod: He (hitler) felt that ethnic Germans in Austria and Czechoslovakia are oppressed by Jews as he was also a German from a village in Austria and he developed a hatred towards them and in his speech he says "Its time to see the free German spirit above all". Dividing themselves as German, Polish ,French , English and so on europeans plunged Europe into war and it took the world along with it.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Where did you study history? Tell me so I can get your school(s) banned for mal-education.
The Jewish people at the Anti-Defamation League understandably don't take it kindly when lying pseculars take 'liberties' (understatement) with history. I'm sure you will be hearing from them as soon as you give me/them your contact details. 'kay?
Besides, Europe was always divided. In its entire history it was never one.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->clearly all events mentioned by Mr.Husky are clear evidence of what catastrophes can happen when religious intolerance or regional intolerance take precendence. When we are discussing here of one such catastrophe that was caused by religious intolerance and if we want to irradicate it then we need to counter it with religious unity because its the only solution.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Natural Traditionalists *will* eradicate ideologies of intolerance/terrorism = christoislamicommunazism.
A time will soon come when we will no longer be wasting time dialoguing with willingly confused entities who think that every religion:
a) *is* either intolerant (=communist claim) or
b) that every religion *can* be intolerant (=christoislami apologist's claim, for the purposes of arguing for equal-equalness).
We'll just leave your kind to monologue by yourself and to your hobby of rewriting history for perpetuating only your own self-delusion.
There are some ideologies (christoislamicommunazism) that <b>are</b> intolerant - intolerance and violence is <i>all</i> there is to them. The pseculars do their darnest to present other traditions in the same way, in order to make it all appear "equal-equal"; so that the pseculars can then condemn them all uniformly or can then bring Natural Traditions down to the level of christoislamism through Argumentum Ad Phoney Equivalence.
Reaction to intolerance's provocative violence *does not* constitute intolerance - though pseculars will argue that it does: that native Americans rising up to fight the christian invasion of their lands and the christian genocide of their peoples are "equally to blame" and "equally intolerant" for being forced into the unGandhian path of war. It does not take two to die by violence: throughout history, peaceful peoples have been extincted by the violence of intolerant ideologies. But the minute any of these peaceful peoples finally stand up for themselves and say "Enough is Enough, No More, We Will Defend Our Way of Life and Our Right To Exist" in response to the never-ending stream of terrorism by christoislamicommunism, pseculars (like vinod here) will crawl out of the woodwork - springing energetically into action after their highly eloquent silence and inertia during the genocides by christoislamicommunazism. And having thus "timely" emerged, they will commence with 'objectively' condemning the terrorised victimised peoples' right to self-defense. They will then follow this up with self-righteous lectures on how some imaginary, disingenuously generalised "religious intolerance" is the cause for all humanity's woes.
Again, arch-psecular Vinod's arguments - pleading for Natural Traditionalists to rigidly maintain religious tolerance in the face of the most destructive intolerance in the history of humanity - comes down to the same as arguing that the orthodox Serbians and the catholic Croatian ustashe nazis were "equally to blame" for the former being genocided by the latter:
"If only the Serbs would have realised the futility of their religious intolerance which invited upon themselves the genocide of the catholic nazi ustashe - which took place after the catholic croatians' previous genocides of the Serbs in WWI and before that - all their problems would have been solved."
"If only the rape victim would have exercised the same amount of self-control and respect for others, (s)he would not have been attacked by the rapist."
Vinod really should preach his "equal-equal" message universally, it obviously has such wide applicability.
