Attack in Mumbai -2

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They should scan Mumbai, Delhi and Bangalore for rest of 14. Why I think they should monitor Chennai also?

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<b>Sole terrorist survivor reveals, he was being trained in Pak</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Mumbai terror attacks have been in the works for at least a year. The interrogation report on Ajmal alias Abu Mujahid, who the media have been referring to as Ajmal Amir Kasab, reveals that he underwent 21 days of physical training and Darsh-e-Quran (Quran recital) at a <b>Lashkar-e-Tayyeba (LeT) camp at Muridke in Punjab in Pakistan </b>last year. This training programme was called Daura-e-Shufa (era of simplicity).

The courses were very intensive and gruelling and not all recruits made the cut. Ajmal did, and was then sent to another LeT camp in the Cherapadi Pahadi region of Muzzaffarabad in PoK in June-July this year. “<b>He does not remember the date, but recalls that he was in training, along with 24 others, when Benazir Bhutto was assassinated,” </b>the interrogation report states. Bhutto was assassinated on December 27, 2007. This timeline is corroborated by the confessions of Fahim Ahmed Ansari, who was arrested, along with four others, by the UP Special Task Force in February this year.

Following this, after a gap of one or two days, Ajmal, the only terrorist captured alive by the police, was sent to <b>Manzera in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) for another 21-day training programme called Markaz-e-Taiyyaba (centre of pure). He was taught how to use automatic rifles, including AK-47s and M-16s, and pistols. On completing his arms training, he had to undergo two months of Khidmat (service) training — as a cook in the camp kitchen</b>.

The courses were very intensive and gruelling and not all recruits made the cut. Ajmal did, and <b>was then sent to another LeT camp in the Cherapadi Pahadi region of Muzzaffarabad in PoK in June-July this year.</b>

For the next two-and-a-half months, he received advanced training from ustads (teachers) in <b>firing AK-47s, rocket launchers and mortars and was also taught how to use GPS systems and marine compasses</b>. The camp commander was a terrorist called Saif-ur-Rahman, alias Chachu (who his fellow terrorist Ismail was trying to call when they were cornered in Mumbai). Ajmal was also trained by terrorists who had returned from Jammu & Kashmir. This bunch of battle-hardened desperados were highly respected by members of the camp and called “Gazi”.

Apart from arms training, Ajmal and the other “students” <b>were also taught how to withstand intensive interrogation and mislead interrogators</b>. The methods were primitive and brutal — they were thrashed for several days during training to prepare them for “hostile interrogations”. Having “qualified”, Ajmal and his cohorts were taught to operate maritime vessels.

His handlers now considered him a finished product. He proceeded to Azizabad in Karachi where he and nine others were briefed about their deadly mission. The group of 10 started in a medium-sized boat from an isolated creek in Azizabad on November 23. Three or four nautical miles into the sea, <b>they boarded Al Hussaini, a larger, sea-faring vessel. They were given a bag each, which contained eight grenades, one TT pistol with one or two magazines, an AK-47 with three double magazines, a gas lighter, a dry fruit packet weighing 500 gm, loose ammunition, one mobile phone with an Indian SIM card and a walkie-talkie. Each of them was also given fake ID cards.</b>

By 12.30-1.00 pm, they were within reach of Mumbai, but the instructions were to launch the operations only after nightfall. So, they slowed down and waited for the sun to set. At 6.30 pm, the group of 10 boarded a rubber speedboat, fitted  with a new Yamaha engine and came ashore in India’s financial capital at 8.30 pm.
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[Guest]

Mudy,

From someone I talked to in Mumbai, during IPL T20 matches of Summer over 40% who came over from across the border to watch matches haven't gone back. It's our local nitwits like Mahesh Bhatt, Rahul Bose who's peddle their 'cultural-cross-connection' for personal profit that's needs to be highlighted.

Another person I talked to on the subject of bootlegged/pirated CDs/DVDs from Bollywood begin sold across globe, he told me that he doesn't care for this film industry types or their croc tears since it's them who make boatloads of cash from all that Dawood funded <i>do number ka cash paisa</i>. Never thought about in that manner, but something to ponder going ahead.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The camp commander was a terrorist called Saif-ur-Rahman, alias Chachu (who his fellow terrorist Ismail was trying to call when they were cornered in Mumbai).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We can put Chandrayaan on moon, but we can't arrange a meeting of these handful of TSP resident rodents with their beloved 72 houris in jannat.

Our MEA babus are probably eagerly waiting near the fax machine for response from TSP on that demand for extradition.

[ramana]

If this fellow had all that training then how and why is he spilling all that? Was he betrayed by his original handlers? And whats a TT pistol?

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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Dec 4 2008, 04:47 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Dec 4 2008, 04:47 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->And whats a TT pistol?
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TT Pistol's
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Police in Pakistan still commonly use TT pistol as a sidearm </b>though unofficial as it is being replaced by modern 9 mm Beretta and Glock pistols. Both legal and illegal TT pistols<b> are still manufactured in various Khyber Pass factories</b>. 7.62x25mm ammo is also rather inexpensive and locally produced or imported from China, made by Norinco.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[ramana]

Thanks, Meanwhile Indian police is not issued firearms unless they are Sub-Inspector level!


meanwhile blog
Nariman House -Must read

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<b>TT pistol</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The TT-30 (Russian: 7,62-мм самозарядный пистолет Токарева образца 1930 года, 7,62 mm Samozarjadnyj Pistolet Tokareva obrazca 1930 goda) is a Russian semi-automatic pistol developed by Fedor Tokarev as a service pistol for the Soviet military to replace the Nagant M1895 revolvers in use since tsarist times.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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I think India intelliegence agency and Maha Police is just feeding media to regain credibility. They are clueless.
By the way, UPA is waiting for 8Dec result and they think by end of year people will forget whole incidence and within 2 weeks UPA will reduce Oil rate that will bring cheers.
This is actual thinking of UPA brains.

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<b>Security scare at Delhi international airport</b>

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<b>How interrogators beat Kasab at his own game</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Apart from getting details about the terror network and its modus operandi, his nationality is also a prime aspect of the interrogation. "Kasab has consistently maintained that he is from Pakistan and we have ample proof of it. We want to subject him to a narco-analysis test so that we can seal this issue," the ATS says.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It took day to do narco-analysis of Sadhu and Lt Col. but for terrorist or Muslim Terrorist, they need permission from Osama or PM of India.

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<b>Can UPA tackle jihadi mentality?</b>
By Balbir K. Punj

THE ENORMITY of last week’s incidents in Mumbai, and the earlier bombings in several Indian cities, have exposed the ability of terror merchants to strike at civilian targets across the country at will. Every time these incidents happen there are set reactions from those in power. <b>This time, however, the ruling coalition at the Centre and in Mumbai has been forced into accepting their incompetence and insensitivity and they are trying to save themselves from people’s anger by making Shivraj Patil, Vilasrao Deshmukh and R.R. Patil the scapegoats</b>.

One is reminded of the public rage after India’s defeat in the war with China in 1962 when the defence minister, also <b>Jawaharlal Nehru’s blue-eyed boy, V.K. Krishna Menon, was made the target. </b>The pathetic state of India’s armed forces that the war in 1962 exposed and the poor quality of its leadership had turned the searchlight on Jawaharlal Nehru himself. <b>Two generations later, Congress president Sonia Gandhi has saved her own party’s government by letting her favourite puppet in the home ministry take the blame for a series of security lapses, culminating in the 26/11 incident</b>.

Insensitivity to the tragedy of civilian and military losses was writ large on the behaviour of this generation’s Krishna Menons. <b>Maharashtra chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh took a “filmy” tour around the Taj Mahal Hotel, his deputy R.R. Patil dismissed the attacks as a small incidents that often happen in large cities, and the Union home minister was his usual deadpan n self, unable to put the attacks in perspective. But in a class by himself was the Left leader and Kerala chief minister V.S. Achutananandan when he claimed that but for the NSG Major who died leading the commando team, “even a dog” would not have visited the Unnikrishnan house in Bangalore.</b>

<b>Public anger is fed by the realisation that the government at the Centre has no strategy to tackle the pervasive threat of Islamic fascism. The roots of Islamic fascism are deep and the terrorism that it feeds is a complex phenomenon as one of America’s leading academics, Zbigniew Brezezinski, also national security adviser to President Carter, has pointed out.</b> In our case, the complexity is enhanced by the context. Pakistan is the original inspirer and instigator of jihadi terror, not so much the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The latter was a foster child of Pakistan’s changing regimes, both civilian and military, because terrorism paid political dividends for Pakistan’s rulers. The theory of defeating India by inflicting a “thousand cuts” on its body was the central theme of Pakistan’s policy for the last two decades.

Even though terror groups have begun to bite the very hands that fed them, the new civilian regime in Pakistan can hardly afford to dismantle their camps and block their funds for fear of a fundamentalist backlash and Pakistani people’s adverse reaction. After all, terror groups like the LeT have umbilical links with the Pakistani Army. That connection was exposed when the civilian government had to withdraw its proclaimed intention of bringing the ISI under civilian control. And it was underlined when Pakistan Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani had to backtrack on his assurance to send the ISI chief to India in the wake of 26/11 for a joint consultation.

India is on Pakistan establishment’s radar continually despite the fine words of President Asif Zardari in Delhi recently. The aggressive Pakistani military continues to be a force in Pakistani politics despite the change of regime from military dictatorship to elected civilian rule. And the mindset of the younger generation in Pakistan, created by decades of fundamentalist education, cannot be wiped out despite all the goodwill that has surfaced towards India in the last few months.

It has now been revealed that for several years the Indian government was aware of how vulnerable the Indian coast was to terrorist attacks. But if you ask the government what it did, the answer is a big “zero”. <b>The incompetence of this government is brought out by the fact that it took several hours to transport NSG commandos from Delhi to Mumbai because a plane to carry them was not available.</b>

<b>The level of ineptitude in the Manmohan Singh government is so blatant that despite the intercepts by RAW on the modalities of a sea route attack, no action was taken by the guardians of our coast. Even after the vessel carrying the terrorists was located, the Navy let it off when the occupants flashed fake identity cards.</b> Such revelations are piling up and the Manmohan Singh government is taking shelter behind another set of assurances and the elimination of a few heads.

In the wake of the 26/11 incidents and government’s abject failure in anticipating them, and inaction even after getting warnings from its own agencies, analysts have quoted from the bipartisan approach that characterises US foreign policy initiatives. Not only the current administration in Washington, but the incoming administration too has rushed to make common cause with India.

But bipartisan approach in India is difficult so long as the Central government is going to deal with jihadi terror wearing velvet gloves. Railway minister Lalu Yadav wanted the then home minister Shivraj Patil to resign. <b>But what about Mr Yadav himself who went to commiserate with Simi activists’ families when several activists from Azamgarh were found involved in serial bombings? Congress minister Kapil Sibal too joined SP’s Amar Singh to demand judicial probe into the Batla House encounter where a brave police officer laid down his life while trying to apprehend terrorists. The Congress, the SP, the Left and others who collectively prop up this government have been apologists for the very people who were found by our agencies to be working in tandem with LeT and Bangladesh’s Huji.</b>

People who are demonstrating against the political class must ponder if it is enough to demand just stern steps against terror. <b>It is equally necessary for our government to be willing to confront the “jihadi mentality” on the strength of which terrorists from outside and inside build their “destruction capsules”.</b>

<i>Balbir K. Punj can be contacted at punjbk@gmail.com</i>

[Husky]

^ K.Ram's post above.


1. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/12/ter...endra-modi.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Blogger  witan said...</b>
    The information is in conformity with the news <b>"Terrorists did not come to Mumbai first"</b> <span style='color:purple'>(www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/04terrorists-did-not-come-to-mumbai-first.htm) -- “... An IB official told rediff.com that preliminary investigations reveal that there were more than ten persons on the boat which came into Mumbai and on their way <b>they may have dropped some members in Gujarat</b>.”</span>

    12/04/2008 3:52 AM

<b>Blogger witan said...</b>

    Please also read: <b>Where are the 14 Other Pakistani-Trained Terrorists?</b>
(abcnews.go.com/print?id=6378603)
    [Also available at http://www.truthout.org/120308S ]
    ABC News, December 3, 2008

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2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/12/brz...nd-curtain.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thursday, December 04, 2008
<b>Brzezinski: Man Behind the Curtain</b>
These videos came up when I did a search for 'Mumbai' on Youtube:<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Refers to videos "Man Behind The Curtain: Zbigniew Brzezinski" Part 1 and 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4R7oIKSC4
http://www.youtube.com/v/fK1SdiHweow

With subtitled translations of what the doublespeak means.
While I only got some little way into the first video - it took long to load so I gave up (besides, I got bored with looking at his ueber-haesslich face) - I may try again tomorrow.


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<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 4 2008, 09:07 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 4 2008, 09:07 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Weekend I will move post to Misc kitty.[right][snapback]91382[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Thanks Mudy.

4. <!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Dec 4 2008, 06:36 PM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Dec 4 2008, 06:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not so sure if this character is worth all that effort.
[right][snapback]91381[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->While vinodreddy gade isn't worth a penny (actually, he's worth exactly nothing - I checked), his lies/psecular-speak should not go unchallenged - not on Bharatiya forums at least.
If pseculars were to be given their own "Worthless Monologues Here" thread, then it's clear and visible to all that pseculars' vapid statements are merely being ignored, instead of allowing anyone to mistake the situation (for instance, that Hindus are unable to respond to and expose psecular inanity, when everyone here so obviously can).

What about my brilliant money-making scheme? <b>IF Admin should be charging pseculars for each post</b> made in the dedicated Psecular Monologue thread (best located in the Trash Can, IMO). Virtual Real Estate has its price too you know. (And psecular nonsense inflicted on the world should not get away scott-<i>free</i> either.) IF Admin/Mods <b>deserve to be compensated</b> for having to put up with and clean up after pseculars' nonsense. Look how much trouble vinod is causing Mudy.

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<b>Ashok Chavan named Maharashtra CM</b>
Sonia thinks by revolving chair will solve problem, how about her to quit and help India?


<b>Bhujbal named as deputy CM </b>

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<b>Decision on Pak action in some time: PM</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Making it clear that India wanted the United States to put pressure on Pakistan on Mumbai attacks, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] on Friday said it was the 'obligation' of the world community to ensure that perpetrators of the 'horrible' crime are brought to justice.

Dr Singh said India will await the 'outcome' of its message to the world before deciding on future course of action with regard to Pakistan.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Joker PM is waiting for some else to rescue India. Somebody tell him "MAN UP" , get a spine or quit. He can use his UN pagari when he joins UN.
QUIT QUIT QUIT only one message for Moron SIngh Shameless, PM of INdia.

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<b>Gunmen may have survived Mumbai attack: Experts</b>

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<b>Chavan new Maha CM; Rane revolts, 'I don't trust Sonia'</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Lashing out at party leadership after losing the race for Chief Ministership, Rane, who joined Congress in 2005 after three decades in Shiv Sena, said, "I don't trust <b>even </b>Sonia Gandhi anymore."

He ridiculed Vilasrao Deshmukh and Ashok Chavan who is set to be the next Chief Minister.

Asked if he was leaving Congress, Rane said, "I will do that at an appropriate time." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So new CM is based on family clout. Well die-nasty is still on and kicking.
Biggest fool is Rane. It means he is zero in politics.

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<b>India Broadens Alert; Airports, Refineries on Watch </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- India broadened its security alert from airports to<b> key government buildings and installations such as refineries </b>after intelligence reports that terrorists may strike using a hijacked aircraft.

Security agencies in the capital New Delhi sought increased checks for <b>explosive devices in the area around the federal parliament and buildings that house Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s office among others</b>, according to a notice issued by the police. Indian Oil Corp., the country’s largest refiner, has also stepped up security, a spokesman said.
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Now Babus are protected. Diaper demand is high at PM house.

[Pandyan]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Mumbai attacks: Indian operative 'helped Pakistani militants'</b>[U]

A Pakistani militant group used an Indian operative as far back as 2007 to scout targets for the elaborate plot against India's financial capital, authorities have said.
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So called Patriotic Muslims.

[Pandyan]

ATS broke Lt Col. Purohit's knees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sax9ob1mJf4

Good riddance Karkare criminal and other criminal ATS gang members, have a nice death.