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Attack in Mumbai -2
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jan 1 2009, 12:31 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jan 1 2009, 12:31 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why they want to kill Kasab?
Only reason I see, Pawar, Patil and Manmohan SIngh trying to protect Pakistan and link Hindus.[right][snapback]92527[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Seems a very logical explanation (also seems to indicate foreknowledge by "Indian" government of the whole matter):
Their fictitious Hindu Terrier drama had been prodded to a crescendo, and they wanted to manufacture some "I told you so" evidence. But then the Maharashtrian commandos didn't do in Kasab as ordered, and Kasab was caught alive instead and spilled the beans. And the media therefore had to resort to/content themselves with mere insinuations of a "Hindu Terrier" subplot instead.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 6 2008, 01:43 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 6 2008, 01:43 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->From Offstumped comments:
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Does anyone know if this is true - from rediff comments

dhoni walked all alone to catch a flight THIS VERY MORNING!
dhoni had center`s body guards till last nite. but the center withdrew them today.

ABSOLUTELY NOBODY WAS WITH HIM, HE WAS ALL ALONE!
he complained like a mouse, BUT CENTER WONT SAY WHY THEY CANCELLED HIS BODYGUARDS!

<b>JUST ONE DAY AFTER DHONI ANNOUNCED HE`s GIVING 2 MONTHS SALARY TO DEAD NSG COMMANDOS FAMILY!</b>

NOW DHONI IS IN REAL DANGER!!
is it not clear that center wants dhoni dead? same as what the terrorists want?

this CANCELLATION was decided in unison by this fanatic, <b>islamic lobby of cong at center:</b>

salman khurshid, ahmed patel, t. ahamed, harun yusuf, ghulam nabi, ghafoor, saif, 2 muslim MPs

now in jail for committing murder-rape, shakeel ahmad, Hamid Ansari, Md Ali Ashraf Fatmi,
Anthony, T Raja (both christian, latter disguised in hindu name), P K Hormis, RAW Chief,
and 185 other muslims and christians given nation-critical command-positions by super-PM.
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Shambhu, looks rather related - Dawood has set his minion Taslim (Khan?) after Dhoni:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Dhoni receives extortion letter</b>
According to the police, Indian cricket team captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni received an extortion letter demanding Rs 5 million. His family members received the letter addressed to Dhoni’s residence ... (more)
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Pay Rs.5 mn or we will blow up your house, Dhoni told
Maximum security for Dhoni after extortion letter
Women police in Dhoni's security ring to tackle female fans<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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1. Subtitles of the Hindi-language interview with officer
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sampat Meena SSP Ranchi:
Family members of Dhoni have received a letter through
normal post in which <b>ransom amount of 5 million rupees</b>
has been demanded. Police is investigating the case.
A team has been assigned under leadership of DSP
Hatiya is investigating the case.
(Somewhere around here Interviewer asks: "Tasleem Khan?" or something. See further down.)
As per the investigations we have found out that he is a
local criminal who has been absconding for some time
and is not in Ranchi at present. And the names that
have come up from the letters are the ones who were in
jail under the Arms Act. And it seems to be the mischief of a
local criminal gang. Rest of the details will be out only
when the investigations are complete.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. transcript of final bit English audio:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The letter stated that the family members would be harmed
if the amount was not paid.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->("Local Criminal ... not in the city at the moment.")
Reportedly, Dhoni's father Pan Singh received the letter.
<b>The letter was written by a person named Tasleem who claimed himself
to be an associate of underworld don Dawood Ibrahim.
Police said that Tasleem is a local criminal at large.</b>
Police also said that the security cover for the cricketer
and his family members has been beefed up after the extortion calls<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Looks pretty much like islamaniac revenge on Dhoni for his pledging to donate money to the dead NSG commando families.
Christoislamaniacs ruling India (in govt and from the shadows of TSP-backed film/mafia underworld) want to teach Hindus the lesson that you shouldn't help your own get up after they beat Hindus down. They will take your money for your insolence and if you defy them, will harm your family.

Christoislamism is such a pretty religion. No wonder it can only convert heathens at knife/gunpoint as christos and islamics regularly do.
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^ Still related to the above

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4807566a1823.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Gang extortion threat to Indian cricket captain Dhoni</b>
Reuters | Thursday, 01 January 2009

Police have beefed up security around India cricket captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni after he received extortion letters from a man claiming to be an associate of the country's most wanted gangster.

Police said they had sent more than 45 commandos to Dhoni's house in his hometown of Ranchi, the capital of the eastern state of Jharkhand, one of India's poorest states.

<b>The first letter, sent on Monday, threatened Dhoni's family with dire consequences if the player failed to pay 5 million rupees (NZ$179,420), police said.

A second letter threatened to blow up the captain's family home if police were asked for help.</b>

Dhoni arrived in Ranchi on Tuesday and met a local police official on Wednesday to discuss the threat.

<b>"The letter has been sent by one Taslim who claims to be a close associate of Dawood Ibrahim," Satya Narayan Pradhan, a Jharkhand police spokesman, said.</b>

Dawood Ibrahim is India's most wanted man for allegedly masterminding the country's most deadly bombings in 1993, which killed at least 250 people in Mumbai.

The underworld boss has eluded authorities for the past 15 years and is believed to be hiding in Pakistan. By the 1980s and 1990s, he was one of Mumbai's top gangland leaders, with a <b>billion-dollar vice empire spanning gambling, drugs and prostitution.</b>

Police say they have started an investigation into the letters.

Dhoni had already received extra security cover after Maoist rebels made death threats against him last year, police said.
(Must be christian maoists. What other kind is there? Except for purposes of dissembling, such as in the current publicity stunt/"split" the christian maoists in Orissa are pulling in order to attempt to blinker Hindus.)

But he was unhappy with the arrangements and applied for government permission for his security to carry more sophisticated weapons.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Is Dhoni A Hindu ? <!--emo&Sad--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&Sad--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

It must have been an illusion for me to have seen a metallic cross hanging from his neck in one of those matches.

Not that I watch cricket that regularly now !
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Dhoni must be a Hindu..non-Hindus never receive threats

He must be one of those Hindus who want to look "cool/secular" with a cross..
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Sorry, I assumed. Don't know what Dhoni is. I don't do spectator sport anymore (tennis previously used to make for an occasional exception). I know very little about him: that he is Indian, a cricket player, and - from Shambhu's post - that he pledged two months wages to the dead commandos' families, and that the islamaniacs are after him now.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->He must be one of those Hindus who want to look "cool/secular" with a cross..<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Possible, I suppose. But why any Hindu would do that ...
Well, even a number of secular/westernised muslims wear crosses about their necks (one was wearing all of the crescent, cross, Om sign, Yin-Yang and something else I forget).


Web-search results: Not that names are indicators anymore, but his name seems to be <b>Mahendra</b> Singh Dhoni and is apparently dating a Tamizh or Telugu Hindu(?) by the name of Lakshmi Roy/Rai. Not that that's an indicator either.
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Dhoni is just another bollywood, kool-yaar moron trying to look hip and patriotic by pledging some money. That can't be mistaken for being pro Hindu.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Jan 2 2009, 04:16 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Jan 2 2009, 04:16 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dhoni is just another bollywood, kool-yaar moron trying to look hip and patriotic by pledging some money. That can't be mistaken for being pro Hindu.
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There is an element of mental intimidation in all of this.
The entire Hindu Terror concoction, the psecular hiding of the terrorist minorities' identities when they commit crimes, the pro-christoislamaniac measures taken by the government, and the anti-Hindu laws enacted one after another by that same government. All of that has the same purpose of creating a defeatist mentality too. Their aim is to keep delivering consecutive blows to Hindus in the belief that Hindus will then no longer get up but roll over. (E.g. Ramarsethu, Sri Amarnatha, Kanchi Swami, Swami Lakshmanananda, Swami Amritananda, ...)
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<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Jan 2 2009, 12:49 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Jan 2 2009, 12:49 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->^^
Dhoni must be a Hindu..non-Hindus never receive threats

He must be one of those Hindus who want to look "cool/secular" with a cross..
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Sreesanth, also a hindu, wears a cross also
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Heap of evidence to nail Pak lies
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On this 120K troops to Afghanistan, does anyone really think UPA will send troops months before elections? I'm not arguing the pros/cons of sending troops to Afghanistan, but the very possibility given local vote bank politics. If I recall, wasn't there some protest/agitation in India some years ago by certain communities when this idea was first floated?
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The protest was organised by the Bangalore Initiative For Peace, which includes the CPI-M, trade unions, the Islamic fundamentalist Jamaat-e-Islami Hind and various non-government organisations. A leaflet produced by the organisation criticised the US for failing to recognise the UN’s authority. “<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I don' t think UPA will do anything, period. You said it - vote bank politics and of course the mother-of-all-excuses for inaction - peace and secularism.

Beyond that, that 120k troops may be someone's wishful thinking
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Demonstrations are always orgainsed by Politicians with foreign hands. During NDA days ,anti-Hindu Congress Party, Terrorist friend Amar Singh's Samajwadi Party were directly funding every demonstration against NDA. Demonstration during Bush vist by Muslims was orgaiised by Amar Singh, Azmi, and Commies. Commies are now in direct payroll of every anti India groups. We had seen their link with US based FOSA, FOIl etc who are propped by Indian Consulate buddies, basically Congress party goons in Indian Consulate worldwide.

Amar Singh direct paymenet to Clinton causes before N-Deal, means he had bought future favors from Democrats in US. He had paid under 5 million to Clinton and he must be expecting 50 millions profit in return from N-deal.
[I have sent Amar Singh + paying for terrorist defense + SIMI + terrorist -> Clinton funds to people in US who need to know]
Amar Singh , Congress Party or Soros can pay commies to shut up, commies need money to survive and destroy India for their revolution.
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http://vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayAr...spx?id=321
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Afghan Opium and Terrorism in South Asia</b>      
Ramtanu Maitra
03 Jan 2009<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Interesting article. Except for use of "South Asia", the very christian reference to "Hindu Tamil Tigers" and "Hindu fanatics". Very christian(-conditioned), because, note how the writer writes:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is also a boon for the powers-that-be that opium money is acceptable to all deeply religious terrorists, be they Islamists, or Hindu fanatics, or Sikh Khalistanis. That money has no colour.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->....and yet forgets to mention the vast number of christian terrorists in India (NLFT, Orissa's christian maoists) and abroad (Nepal's christian maoists).

Still, good to read the article for other reasons, which is no doubt why the Hindu jewel (Sandhya Jain, who else) put this up in the first place.
Do check the original instead for the emphases it uses. I have only highlighted what I wanted to.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Afghan Opium and Terrorism in South Asia</b>      
Ramtanu Maitra
03 Jan 2009
Following the Mumbai massacre (Nov. 26-29), a lot of “important” personnel moved through the Indian subcontinent, ostensibly with the intent of unearthing the ghastly plot that killed at least 200 people and made a mockery of India's security. During the visits of these “important” personnel, and subsequently, nobody, except one, mentioned the thousands of tons (8,200 tons in 2007, and allegedly 421 tons of heroin produced year after year in Afghanistan) as the cause behind growing terrorism in the region. In reality, the huge amount of opium is allowed to be produced not only to finance terrorists and illegal gun manufacturers, but also to infuse cash into the bankrupt world financial system through the offshore banks.

That voice of reality was heard from Moscow when, in an interview with the Russian government daily Rossiskaya Gazeta, <b>Russia's federal anti-narcotics service director Viktor Ivanov said:</b> “The gathered inputs testify that regional drug baron Dawood Ibrahim had provided his logistics network for preparing and carrying out the Mumbai terror attacks.” Ivanov said the Mumbai attacks were a “burning example” of how the illegal drug trafficking network was used for carrying out terror activities.

“The super profits of the narco-mafia through Afghan heroin trafficking have become a powerful source of financing organized crime and terrorist networks, destabilizing the political systems, including in Central Asia and Caucasus,” Ivanov said at the fifth India-Russia meeting of the joint working group on combatting international terrorism in mid-December. While the Indian delegation was led by Vivek Katju, Special Secretary in the MEA, the Russian delegation was led by Anatoly Safonov, Special Representative of the President.

<b>The Drug-Led Corruption</b>
While Dawood Ibrahim's involvement has been tossed about in the media in general, what Ivanov said never got through to the investigators. Or, is it that the drug angle was deliberately ignored, in order to end investigation by resorting to blame games with the purpose of ending up nowhere?

The Dawood angle was also pointed out in the Asia Times by Raja Murthy on Dec. 9, when he said it is likely that despite all the noises that are made in New Delhi, India really does not want Dawood back. His argument goes: “The catch is that India's most infamous mafia boss has stories that powerbrokers on both sides of the border might not want the world to hear. Therein lays a reason why Ibrahim apparently continues to live lavishly - alternating between Karachi and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, according to various reports including from the Pakistan media.”

Be that as it may, it is nonetheless true that there is hardly anyone with “power and authority” in Mumbai, and that includes the Shiv Sena supremo Raj Thackeray and the mainstream politician and former chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh, among many other political luminaries, law and order bigwigs in Mumbai, and almost the entire tax-evading Mumbai movie Moghuls, who are not on the take from this drug-pushing, murderous creature, now under the wings and threats of the Pakistani <b>ISI, British MI6 and the CIA.</b> But then again, like the celebrated terrorist groups such as the Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Hizbul Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen et al, creatures like Dawood would remain active as long as drugs are grown aplenty to serve the interest of the powers-that-be and to fill the coffers of bankrupt banks. That is how Dope, Inc. not only survives, but flourishes. The deaths of common citizens are “collateral damage” that the powers-that-be ignore by diverting the attention of common man to another direction, such as blaming others, and creating war-like situations.

In fact, this is exactly what has been promoted through a pantomime orchestrated by New Delhi and Islamabad. Instead of addressing the devastating role of thousands of tons of opium, that foster terrorists in Pakistan and bring misery to thousands in India, produced annually in Afghanistan and distributed all over, New Delhi and Islamabad chose to flex muscles to provide the terrorists, and jihadists alike, a rare opportunity to portray themselves as “patriots.” Would bringing troops to the borders eliminate terrorism?

Did it ever achieve this objective? Would anybody with an iota of sense believe that? Then, why do it? Why create a situation in which some mischief-makers can create an incident, which may lead to armed confrontations and the deaths of many, while solving nothing? Why? Why?

<b>Covering Up the Drug Angle</b>
The answer to that question is basically the unwillingness of political leaders to protect their citizens and instead, kowtowing to the powers-that-be. When a large chunk of it is converted into heroin, the 8,200 tons of opium create a lot of cash. It could be as high as a couple of hundred billion dollars when cut, re-cut and sold to the addicts in England, Russia and elsewhere in Europe.

It brings in about $100 million for the Taliban, and other brands of terrorists, or jihadis, or Hindu Tamil Tigers, or Shiv Sena, you name it. That amount, generated annually, is enough to arm and train hosts of terrorists stretching from Chechnya, to Urumqi, to Mumbai. When one group of terrorists gets exposed, they get converted into another brand. It is also a boon for the powers-that-be that opium money is acceptable to all deeply religious terrorists, be they Islamists, or Hindu fanatics, or Sikh Khalistanis. That money has no colour.

It is also known that the global financial system, which is the quintessential Anglo-Dutch liberal system designed in the 18th century to loot the colonies and imposed on the war-ravaged world in 1944 after President Roosevelt's death, is presently at its death throes. The City of London is bankrupt, Wall Street is bankrupt, and the only cash that “could” keep the collapsed financial system going is the drug money.

This drug money, at least a good part of it, is generated in this area with the help of Dawood Ibrahim, who works overtime on behalf of the British and runs his operation through the British-controlled Dubai. Drug comes into Dubai through Dawood's “mules” protected by the ISI-MI6; and by containers which carry equipment sent to Dubai for “repair” from Kandahar, and elsewhere in southern Afghanistan. British troops control the southern Helmand province in Afghanistan where 53% of Afghanistan's gargantuan 8,200 tons of opium was produced in 2007.

The drug gets converted to cash in Dubai, where Dawood “maintains” a palatial mansion, similar to the one he maintains in Karachi. Dubai is a tax-free island-city, and a major offshore banking center. The most common reason for opening an offshore bank account nowadays is the flexibility that comes as standard with such an account and expatriates can particularly benefit from an offshore bank account as it will likely allow them to manage their international financial commitments with ease.

With the development of the Dubai International Financial Centre (DIFC), which is the latest free trade zone in Dubai, flexible and unrestricted offshore banking in Dubai has become big business. Many of the world’s largest banks already have significant presence in Dubai, big names such as Abbey National Offshore, HSBC Offshore, ABN Amro, ANZ Grindlays, Banque Paribas, Banque de Caire, Barclays, Dresdner and Merrill Lynch, all have offices in the Emirate already. And as the drug production continues in Afghanistan and bankruptcies galore in the coming days, more banks will surely “find” Dubai.

<b>Drugs and Offshore Banks</b>
One should note that besides Dubai, most of the offshore banks are located in former British colonies. Exceptions are Cyprus, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Dominica, Cap Verde, Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, among a few others. But the vast majorities are situated in former British colonies and all of them are involved in money laundering. In other words, legitimizing cash generated from drug-sales and other smuggled illegitimate stuff for the “respectable banks” is the watchword of these offshore banks. In other words, the drugs that Dawood's mules carry are doing a yeoman's service to the Anglo-Dutch global financial system, as well as for the terrorists who are killing innocents all over the world. Why create waves about that, New Delhi ponders.

Moreover, Indians know better than most others that where there is opium, there are British. In the Helmand province, the British troops rule the roost; or rather take good care of the City of London's valuable cash. In India, as Prof. Amitav Ghosh (author of Sea of Poppies, among his other books) pointed out during his research work, the British Empire in the late 18th century became so dependent on the opium trade that almost 60% of its revenue was generated from opium sales. Professor Ghosh says that if there had been no opium, the British Empire would have died momentarily.

That tradition continues even today. Wherever there is opium, like bees seeking out honey, Anglo-Dutch financiers, and their American despot friends, set up their house. But, India is no less affected by it. While Pakistan's powers-that-be are fully immersed in the enjoyment of the drug money at the expense of being about to lose the western part of Pakistan, things work in a different way in India.

In India, at the time the British finally finished partitioning this country, there were about 550-odd princely states. These princely states, because of the nature of their set-up, were completely under the grip of Whitehall and Buckingham Palace. These miserable feudal lords used to spend whatever fortune the British allowed them to have in British hotels and brothels, were at the same time vying for “rewards” from the British monarchy. This despicable class of feudalism in India was downright anti-national, and represented the worst of the British lackeys, to say the least.

In India the first legislation to curb the cultivation and production of opium was through the Bengal Regulation Act 4 1797 which made cultivation, production, and trade in opium a monopoly of the East India Company in the territories controlled by the Company. Further the East India Company tried to control the trade in opium in the princely states by creating huge transit barriers by way of transit tax and customs duties for the opium exported through its territory and ports. Incidentally all the seaports were held by the East India Company. The next Regulations to control opium cultivation, production, and trade were through the Opium Act of 1858 and 1878.

Subsequently, the British created mechanisms for controlling production, processing, vending and exporting opium and made huge profits. They began with the Patna opium (in Bihar and United Provinces); and extended their control over “Telengana opium” in the princely state of Hyderabad, under the Nizam. But it was much later that they managed to control the Malwa opium produced in current-day Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan. Capital formation in western India was directly linked to the smuggling of opium to China with the help of the Parsee, Marwari and Gujarat entrepreneurs.

The British also made large profits through taxes on local consumption because they were the monopoly suppliers. While for the British, the Dutch and other colonial powers, opium was a major article of trade, the US did not get involved in the opium trade though a number of New England families, some of them later known as the “Boston Brahmins,” were involved in the transporting of opium to China. In the post-colonial period, the US got heavily involved in Central American cocaine, and during the 1980s with Afghan opium.

<b>The Princely State Connection</b>
Unfortunately, the former princely states' connection to the drug inflow has not ended, particularly among the states bordering Pakistan, from where almost all of Afghan opium comes into India. But, it is the opium and heroin entering from Pakistan that came through many of these former princely states, where the old drug-network still survives.

To begin with, it should be noted that the March 2008 annual report of the International Narcotics Control Board noted increased trafficking and abuse of cannabis and heroin in South Asia. The West African traffickers have targeted countries in South Asia, particularly India, for cocaine trafficking. The report further said, “South American cocaine is trafficked to India in small quantities where it is exchanged for South-West Asian heroin bound for Europe and North America. India is increasingly being used as a major transit country and also as a destination country for drug trafficking. Cross-border smuggling is relatively easy because of the porous borders between Bangladesh, Bhutan, India and Nepal. Illicit cultivation and abuse of cannabis continue to be a problem in most of the countries in South Asia.” It has also been noted that opium and heroin enters India through Punjab, where at least four former princely states exist, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Jammu and Kashmir, Mumbai, among other areas.

<b>The Case of Three Terrorists</b>
This brings us to the events in 1999, and the release of three top terrorists to the Taliban in Kandahar in order to gain release of 188 hostages. Those three terrorists, Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh and Maulana Masood Azhar, who were in Indian jails, were personally carried by the Indian External Affairs Minister and scion of the former princely state of Jodhpur, Jaswant Singh. Jodhpur is also very much in the Afghan opium drug route into India.

This raises many questions. To begin with, all three were top drawer terrorists. Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar has renewed the activity of Al-Umar Mujahideen in Muzaffarabad, close to the LOC (Line of Control), in the disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir, and is recruiting and training young ones to carry out terrorism in the Indian part of Kashmir.

Maulana Masood Azhar has hit the headlines again following the Mumbai massacre when New Delhi demanded Islamabad must hand him over as a “test of sincerity.” Masood Azhar, a hard-core terrorist, founded the terrorist group, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and was identified by Indian investigators as the one who masterminded, along with the Pakistani ISI, the audacious attack on the Indian Parliament in December 2001. That attack left 14 people dead, including all five terrorists, who India says were also Pakistanis. The incident almost led to a war between India and Pakistan.

Ahmed Omar Sheikh Saeed, a British citizen, is perhaps the biggest fish in the kettle. He is an <b>MI6 agent</b> who was recruited to serve in Kosovo. Later, he was sent to the state of Jammu and Kashmir, where he kidnapped foreigners and was arrested. Following the generosity emblazoned by his release, Sheikh was named as an accomplice to one of the 9/11 terrorists and later, he slit the throat of Daniel Pearl, an American journalist investigating the terrorist links. <b>Although London vehemently denies that Sheikh is an MI6 agent, Sheikh's role in the subcontinent makes it necessary for MI6 to deny his post-Kosovo affiliation to British intelligence.</b>

This raises another question: Was Sheikh's release obtained through pressure from London using a former princely state scion? Since too many people have since been killed by these released terrorists, it is worth getting the answer to that question.
The author is South Asian Analyst at Executive Intelligence Review News Services Inc.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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120K troops biggest pile of garbage I have heard of. I doubt Army even has capacity to support a size of 120K troops in a country they don't even share a border with. How do they plan to supply such a big force.
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on 120K Indian Troop, here is what blogger orbat says:

0230 January 2, 2009

The Indian Troops To Afghanistan Story

Mandeep Singh Bajwa says this story is an effort by India to gauge US reaction to a potential offer of troops for Afghanistan. India is talking at several back channels level with the US. We weren't meant to get the story, but once we got it, the Indian Army, at least, wasn't uncomfortable with that. Given we are read by perhaps 4000 people a day and have a reputation in many circles of being a fringe blog, the Indian Army doesn't even have to bother denying the story, its easy enough to say "off source" that's its our wild imagination.

So we wildly imagine the following possible offer to the United States:

Lt. General Bikram Singh as Force Commander (tentative)

HQ III Corps or HQ XXI Corps

4th Infantry Division

6th Mountain Division

23rd Infantry Division

36th RAPID Division

30+ Rashtriya Rifles CI battalions

2 Reconnaissance and Observation squadrons (Army Aviation)

1 Il-76 squadron

2 An-32 squadrons

4+ Mi-17 helicopter units

1 UAV squadron

2 fighter squadrons

Undetermined number of paramilitary security battalions

HQ III Corps is the counter-insurgency corps in Eastern Command, it is dual-tasked to the western front. In exercises and on operations it has functioned, on different occasions, in three different sectors. HQ XXI Corps is the third Indian strike corps, but is not as critical as the other two strike corps and is dual-tasked as India's intervention force corps. So there's good reasons to take either.

The infantry divisions include a tank battalion. 36th Division has one tank and two infantry brigades. All four divisions are part of strike corps and so are not deployed on the front, but India will give up its ability to sustain a major offensive against Pakistan if these divisions are overseas.

The only thing that needs explanation for our non-Indian readers is the Rashtriya Rifles. These are specialized for counter-insurgency and have six rifle companies vs the usual Indian infantry battalion's four. CI is, after all, a manpower intensive business. The troops are all regular Army and do a 3-year rotation with the RR from their affiliated regiments with the RR. Each Army regimental center has 3 or more RR battalions affiliated.

Because the Indians tend to bulk up their divisions with extra brigades and their brigades with extra infantry battalions when on CI, its probably reasonable to assume the four divisions will have 50 battalions with them (including corps independent brigades). With the RR, that's 380 rifle companies, or the equivalent of nine US divisions. (We count the US brigade as having 10 companies, because the cavalry squadron in the brigade is very manpower short. We're sure it's all well and fine in the type of high-tech/sensor dense environment for which it is designed, but we're talking CI here.

Our Humble Opinion

- The United States would be mad to refuse the Indian offer.
- The Indians would be mad to actually follow through.

http://orbat.com/
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<!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Jan 3 2009, 08:44 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Jan 3 2009, 08:44 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->120K troops biggest pile of garbage I have heard of. I doubt Army even has capacity to support a size of 120K troops in a country they don't even share a border with. How do they plan to supply such a big force.
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Don't forget who is India's PM. This fool can do anything to please his master.
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Regarding 120K:

I'm not sure what the source of this story is. From what I've read on another forum, it's from someone on BR.

I can't see how Indian forces would get to Afghanistan. There is no land route since there is no more border with Afghanistan. Only possible way is through airbase in Tajikistan. Even that airbase consists of only a very small contingent. Also, an air lift cannot support of 120K (unless you're the US). To even be able to transport all those troops and equipment, India would have to charter Russian AN-124's or have US Air Force C-17's help them. Fuel, food, shelter would have to be contracted out of whoever supplies ISAF, can India afford that? 120K heavies with combat support, logistics, all that army aviation listed, and armored elements. I heavily doubt US will allow India to just come to Af gand istan and as a consequence allow the escalation of tensions between India and Pukistan. Who are they kidding?

Indian Army only excels at shooting Hindus in Jammu.
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<b>Destroy terror hideouts, says Kalam</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Former President A P J Abdul Kalam [Images] today advocated a three-pronged strategy to combat terror which included raiding and smashing militant hideouts both inside and outside the country.

Firstly, a vigorous national campaign, involving every citizen, should be launched to tackle the terror menace, he said interacting with students here.

Secondly, Kalam advocated carrying out raids to destroy terror hideouts both inside and outside the country.

"Terror can be be eliminated by raiding and smashing militant hideouts both inside and outside the country," he said.

Lastly, there was need for speedy trial of cases relating to terrorism to punish perpetrators of such crimes, he said.
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Only one sane man in India.
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Re Kalam: well said Sir. Lets start from 'inside the country'.

Re 120K: I heard the news a week ago. Its orbat.com; I wont waste my time on it yet. Lets hear something from more substantial sources..
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