Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 5

Husky · 03-26-2009, 06:56 PM

Was there an NGO thread? Doesn't matter. This files under christianism anyway.

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/shu...gn-funding.html
QUOTEThursday, March 26, 2009
Shut NGOs' Foreign Funding
Here's an illuminating article on the spread and nature of NGOs in India. It certainly casts light on the dodgy nature of so many of these dubious entities. It's time that India borrows a page from Russia, and blocks foreign funding for these shady establishments, many of which aren't even complying with Indian laws.
Posted by san at 3/26/2009 05:47:00 AM 0 comments
Labels: geo-politics, national security, ngo, Psychology
Links to:
www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1241042
QUOTEIt's time the government shut the foreign-funds tap for NGOs
Prof R Vaidyanathan
Friday, March 20, 2009 23:59 IST

Mumbai: A non-governmental organisation (NGO) is any voluntary, non-profit, citizens' group which is organised on a local, national or international level. It could be registered as a society, trust or under section 25 -- companies, even though some cooperatives also claim this label.

There are two important criteria: the organisation should not be for making profit and should be independent of the government. However, many NGOs get money from the government.

NGOs are also expected to be value-based organisations. The range of activities they are involved in is mind-boggling and can extend from issues of ageing to waste management.

The funding for these NGOs is substantially international. The international flow of funds is regulated by the Foreign Contributions Regulation Act (FCRA). Table-1 provides the trends in the number of reporting registered associations and the amount of money received under the Act.

We find that the number of reporting associations has declined (percent wise) over the period and the numbers of those not complying with the laws have increased. For instance, the ministry has placed 8,673 associations under "prior permission" category in 2005 for failure to furnish annual returns for the three previous consecutive years. There exists substantial under-reporting.

We also find that in the last three years, the amount received has shown a phenomenal increase and it was 56% more in 2006-2007 than in the previous year. The report of the home ministry also provides other information regarding the states receiving the largest amount and purpose, etc pertaining to the year 2006-2007.

It suggests that important states or union territories are Tamil Nadu (Rs 2,244 crore), followed by Delhi (Rs 2,187 crore), Andhra Pradesh (Rs 1,211 crore) and Maharashtra (Rs 1,195 crore). Among donor countries, USA leads in the list of donor countries (Rs 2,972 crore), followed by Germany (Rs 1,649 crore), UK (Rs 1,425 crore) and Switzerland (Rs 605 crore).

The leading donor agencies are Misereor Pastfach, Germany (Rs 1,244 crore), World Vision International USA (Rs 469 crore), Foundation Vicente Ferrer Spain (Rs 399 crore) and ASA Switzerland (Rs 302 crore).

The largest recipients are Ranchi Jesuits of Jharkhand (Rs 622 crore), followed by the Santhome Trust of Kalyan, Maharashtra (Rs 333 crore), Sovereign Order of Malta, Delhi (Rs 301 crore), World Vision of India, Tamil Nadu (Rs 256 crore), Jesuit Educational and Charitable Society, Karnataka (Rs 230 crore).

Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh are some of the states with a large number of NGOs. It is curious to note that the poorest states like Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, etc do not have as many numbers. Among the top 15 recipients, each with more than Rs 90 crore receipts from abroad, at least 14 are easily identifiable as Christian charity organisations from their names.

The interesting information is regarding the purpose of the donations (see Table-2). Establishment expenses top the list, followed by relief and rehabilitation, rural development, child welfare and construction and maintenance of schools and colleges. Substantial sums are spent on construction of places of worship and maintenance of priests.

Establishment expenses consist of buying land, buildings, jeeps, setting up fancy offices, mobiles, laptops, expensive cameras, salaries, consultancy fees, honorarium, and importantly, foreign travel etc, which make up 35-70% of the expenses. This goes against the grain of service motto where the ultimate recipient is supposed to get the maximum.

By definition, NGO activity is voluntary and hence one expects that the overheads of the organisations are lean. In financial parlance, the fixed cost is expected to be relatively small.

Contrary to this belief, we find that the establishment expenses are the major reasons for receiving donations from abroad. In other words, NGOs are perhaps becoming like top-heavy government departments wherein a substantial portion of developmental expenses is spent on salary wages and other expenses such as telephone, travel (both domestic and international), etc. Nowadays, they even recruit "executives" from management institutions.

NGOs are active in pointing out the deficiencies in the functioning of the government, be they on human rights or the Right to Information or Tribes Act or dam oustees.
Hence, it is all the more important that their activities are transparent, particularly from the point of view of their sources and uses of funds.

I have tried unsuccessfully to get the annual reports including annual accounts from the website of the top 25 recipients, many of whom are often mentioned or quoted in newspapers and TV channels and stress the importance of "transparency" in the functioning of the government. Many do not have any information in their websites. Some of their websites contain all razzmatazz but nothing on finances.

Physician heal thyself is very much applicable to this body of self-proclaimed saviours of Indian masses and who also claim themselves to be the "civil society." Given the declaration by various Evangelical groups in the USA and Europe that Asia is the next major place to "harvest the Souls "and "plant the churches" India should exercise caution in allowing foreign funding of these groups. They affect social harmony and foment communal disturbances by their conversion activities in small towns and tribal India.

Indian NGOs can and should access funds from domestic sources and there are millions of charity minded Indians. It is not required for Europeans or Americans to send money for our NGOs who spend it on establishment expenses and conversion propaganda to fill up the statistical "soul harvesting" exercise of foreign evangelical groups.

For instance, Russia recently approved a bill that introduces stringent control over the activities of foreign-funded non-government and non-commercial organisations in a move designed to pre-empt any "coloured revolution" in the country.

It says, "The Kremlin has learnt its lessons from a string of "coloured revolutions" in the former Soviet Republics-- the "rose revolution" in Georgia, the "orange revolution" in Ukraine and the 'tulip revolution" in Kyrgyzstan -- all inspired and orchestered by western funded NGOs. The bill allows NGOs to be shut down if they threaten the country's "sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity, national unity and originality, cultural heritage and national interests." There are 4,50,000 NGOs in Russia representing religious organisations, charities, think tanks, and professional groups. The US Congress has allocated $85 million for the support of democracy in Russia in 2006."

Incidentally, there is an act in the USA called Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), which provides for penalties up to 10 years in jail for any one acting as a foreign agent or getting foreign funds without notification to the Attorney General. FARA was originally passed in 1938 to prevent the spread of Nazi ideas and propaganda.

It would be appropriate that all NGOs insist they be covered under the Right to Information Act, even though as of now it is not applicable to those who do not receive funds from the government. This insistence will go a long way in establishing their credentials as real believers in transparency and right to information.

To enhance their credibility, they need to publish their sources and uses of funds voluntarily on their websites, including the break-up between administrative and other expenses. Last, but not the least, it is important that the government bans foreign funding of our NGOs. We are no more the "white man's burden."

The writer is professor of finance and control, Indian Institute of Management. Views are personal.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-29-2009, 12:11 PM by Husky.)

See point 2 below (but depends on 1): Christianism in Kerala dumps the communist horse it's been riding in the hope of finding that the BJP may be better for implementing the christian agenda. Look at how they refer to the Vedas, Upanishads as 'Indian' and that Dharmic philosophy, literature and science being merely 'Indian' are therefore also catholic heritage, which they will never be.

1. Catholic church tells flock in Kerala "dump CPM".

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1243246
QUOTEChurch blow to Left in Kerala
Puneet Nicholas Yadav
Saturday, March 28, 2009 2:51 IST Email

New Delhi: The Kerala Catholic Bishops Council (KCBC) has come out openly against the state's ruling Left Democratic government in the run-up to the general elections. In a pastoral letter prepared by the KCBC, the church has asked Christians to "not vote for those preaching atheism and indulging in violence."

This is the second major Church-administered blow for the Left Front in Kerala. The Christian body had earlier asked members to use every opportunity to campaign against the CPM before the elections. The joint pastoral letter asking people to "vote against atheists" (read Left parties) is being seen as a prelude to the election.

"The letter would be read out at all churches across Kerala during the Holy Mass this Sunday," said Rev Dr Stephen Alathara, KCBC spokesperson. While the missive doesn't specifically criticise any political outfit, Church members say the contents refer to the Marxist-rule in the state.

"Christians have been abused and tortured like never before under the LDF rule," Alathara said. "Last year Church-run institutions were ransacked across the state by the Left's youth outfits. The government had also introduced textbooks as part of the social science curriculum of standard seven and eight claiming that there was no such thing as religious faith our God. The government is questioning the existence of the church to propagate atheism."

The KCBC's hostility would add to the woes of a troubled Left Front, which is battling anti-incumbency and factionalism. Senior leaders conceded that the LDF may not win more than 10 seats in Kerala.

Interestingly, the KCBC is equating the present standoff with the "liberation struggle" of 1959 -- the series of events that culminated in the dismissal of the Namboodiripad government. As in 1958, when the Kerala Education Bill sent shockwaves in the Church, the LDF's policies have drawn the Church's ire.

2. The catholic cardinal Vithayathil appointed by higher-ups to be Head Of Catholic Damage Control and who therefore wrote the christian apologetics book "Straight from the heart" to offset nun Jesme's book exposing what goes on in the christian ranks is now back.

This time the terrorist cardinal is into the catholic hobby of christian inculturation and is lobbying for the BJP now (new book targeted at the flock "It's time to Vote, sheep: Bad CPM, Good BJP").
Count the number of typically-christian lies he utters in the following. There's one obvious one at the very end.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...459&SKIN=K
QUOTECardinal appreciates BJP ; Exposes CPI-M Treachery
28/03/2009 13:40:27Â

CPI-M is a threat to democracy & India: Book

www.rediff.com/election/2009/mar/27loksabhapoll-cpm-a-threat-to-democracy.htm

As the Lok Sabha poll campaign gathers steam in the Left-ruled Kerala, a top Church official has described the CPI-M as a 'threat' to democracy and warned that India will suffer the same fate as China under Mao Zedong.

'The Marxist party will use all kinds of tactics to strengthen itself in places where it is in power. That they will do throughout India once they get to power at the Centre, will be no different from Mao or Stalin,' says Cardinal Mar Varkey Vithayathil in his book Straight From Heart.

The influential Cardinal, known for his critical views even on the church establishment, says, 'The Marxist fundamentalism is a greater threat than the religious fundamentalism of the BJP. The Navy, the Army and the Air Force will come under their complete control. We can reasonably expect that what happened in China under Mao will happen in India under their rule.'

'Where is the logic of democracy if they are convinced atheists? But if they are atheists against their conscience and belief, then they are not true to themselves. Convinced atheists cannot be democratic. Democracy is based on respect for the individual and on the rule 'of the people, by the people, for the people,' Vithayathil, also the Major Archbishop of the Syro-Malabar Church, says.

The first Communist government of Kerala, Vithayathil says, was dismissed because they took recourse to some Marxist techniques like rule by party cadre when they came to power.

'But even now, it is the party that rules in Kerala and not the government,' the Cardinal says.

Vithayathil, who is also the president of Catholic Bishops Conference of India, says he disagrees with Marxism, mainly on the issue of 'atheism' and their 'use of violence'.

'From my Catholic faith, I sometimes see Marxism as a chastisement allowed by God on the Church for not living what it preaches,' he says in the book.

Catholic Church has often come in conflict with CPI-M-led LDF government on different issues, including proposals of the state Law Reforms Panel on topics like legalisation of mercy killing, small family norm and formation of a body to manage church properties.

Praising the Congress and its allies, the book says, they have 'more respect' for an individual and his fundamental rights.

Putting his views on BJP, the Cardinal in the book says, 'The commendable thing about the party is that they want to preserve the good aspects of Indian culture like modesty of women and promoting certain moral values, for which they would opt for stricter media censorship. For them religion is very important and they support democracy and human rights.

'Besides protecting ancient culture and heritage of India, like Vedas, Upanishads and the great philosophical teachings to the six systems of Indian philosophy, BJP respects, preserves and promotes knowledge of Sanskrit and Ayurveda.'

The party is a 'great defender of our many achievements of the past', the book says.
(Who is 'our'? India's christos haven't achieved anything - well, unless one counts their inviting the christoPortuguese, cheering the various christocolonials, stealing temple lands, conspiring against Hindu Dharma, murdering our people including Swamis.)

However the saffron party, Vithayathil says, 'has forgotten that Catholics of the country also regard Indian culture, philosophy, literature and science as their heritage. The Catholic Church will certainly protect them just as it has responsibly protected and preserved Greek and Roman cultures.'I.e. the christoliar who stated "Hindu civilisation is Catholic heritage" is promising that christianism will murder the Dharmic tradition in the same way it has murdered the Greco-Roman civilisation of the Hellenes.

Any estimate on how many gullible Hindus will be infatuated with this cardinal for his:
- christian apologetics book "Straight from the heart"
- plugging for BJP (you bet this decision would have come from higher up in the Roman church's hierarchy)
- "wonderful admission" that catholics now have a claim on Hindu scriptures and Dharmic civilisation. This is actually theft, but Hindus want to be robbed and stabbed. It's only their 'christian brethren' after all. "We must share". Ignoring for the moment that Dharmic civilisation is simply not shareable with terrorist ideologies, Why? When christianism has murdered peoples and civilisations all over the globe and continues to murder our own, why must we share? Why embrace the terrorist ideology's latest sinister overture (flowery words covering stabbing knife) with open arms?
C'est debile.

Husky · 03-29-2009, 02:30 PM

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http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...425&SKIN=B
QUOTEHundreds of million dollars, foreign funds for Conversion activities in âBharatâ:
23/03/2009 04:23:41Â http://www.webnewswire.com/node/450182

Each year, the Government of India's Ministry of Home Affairs releases a report (URL below) entitled, "Receipt of Foreign Contributions by Voluntary Associations.

Following are the Associations which receive the funds

Gospel Fellowship Trust India, USA -- $60,305,263
Gospel for Asia, USA -- $36,100,000
Plan International, UK -- $29,257,895
Foundation Vicent E Ferrer, Alicante, Spain -- $27,428,947
Christian Aid, UK -- $21,094,737
Miseror Mozartstrasse, Germany -- $20,457,895
Foundacion Vicente Ferrer, Madrid, Spain -- $20,118,421
Oxfam, UK -- $19,721,053
NOVIB, Netharlands -- $19,321,053
Deptt for International Devpt (DFID), UK -- $15,723,684
Kindemothilfe, Germany -- $14,318,421
Save the Children Fund, UK -- $13,594,737
Manos Unidas, Spain -- $13,050,000
Missio, Germany -- $12,900,000
Population Service International USA -- $12,826,316

Total funds sent to India: -- $336,218,421

Though the Focus and goal as a ministry is to reach the 2.7 billion people who have never heard about the love of God (proselytisation intent, what else?)In India alone, there are over 500,000 villages. Most of the donations go toward relief work, rural development, medicine and education. "Maintenance of priests/preachers/other religious functionaries" is 15th on the list of purposes, receiving $21 million dollars of all foreign funding. Of the fifteen top donor agencies given eight are Christian, seven are secular and none are Hindu.

Following are the examples of intent given by these organizations themselves. Gospel Missions of India (GMI), âstays abreast of the work of the missionaries and ministries in India to ensure that gifts are faithfully invested for the Lord's work". Gospel for Asia is a Texas-based Christian missionary organization whose, "Focus and goal as a ministry is to reach the 2.7 billion people in the 10/40 window who have never heard about the love of God. In India alone, there are over 500,000 villages with no Gospel witness." These paragraphs are self explanatory about the real intent which is proselytisation through use of these funds. It is not service for the sake of service as the ground reality in Bharat shows.

The report is available on http://mha.gov.in/fcra/annual/ar2005-06.pdf

Husky · 03-29-2009, 04:59 PM

http://hamsa.org/ - See top right.
QUOTEThe Myth of Saint Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple
Download the book in elegant Tamil prose
Translated by Dr. B.M. Sundaram
http://hamsa.org/Myth.of.St.Thomas.Tamil.version.pdf

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/lin...-st-thomas.html
QUOTELink: Tamil version of The Myth of St. Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple
mar 27th, 2009

worth reading, in english or in tamil. to reiterate, the portuguese destroyed the ancient mylapore shiva temple and built their san thome cathedral on top of it. just goes to show how christists have always been terrorists.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Swami

The Myth of St. Thomas and the Mylapore Shiva Temple
Translated into Tamil by Dr. B.M. Sundaram
http://www.hamsa.org/Myth.of.St.Thomas.T...ersion.pdf

Posted by nizhal yoddha at 3/27/2009 09:58:00 PM 0 comments

agnivayu · 03-29-2009, 08:02 PM

QUOTE(Pandyan @ Mar 21 2009, 09:03 PM)BBC British Bastards Corporation of course churning out nice xtian propaganda.

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They conveniently forget to point out that "Maoists" who killed the Hindu leaders were actually recent fanatic convert's. They killed in the name of their demon god's illegitimate son Jesus.
Don't these Xtian fanactics simulate eating the flesh and blood of Christ? Do you think this is a softened version of the earlier practice, when they practiced cannibalism? I think to be saved in early Christianity, you had to eate Jesus's flesh and drink his blood.

agnivayu · 03-29-2009, 08:14 PM

QUOTE(suraksha @ Mar 19 2009, 09:22 PM)A religion and a faith is something that runs deep within,should it be ever affected by others reactions?God can be worshiped at home also.he is all pervasive isn't it?
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Hindu Nationalism is not a religious movement anyway as Hinduism is a collection of philosophies. Religion and faith and God and organized religion is actually all Abhrahamic terrorism perpetrated on the world.

Even the most "extreme" Hindu Nationalist's equivalents would be considered ultra-liberal Muslims and moderate Christians. This show more than anything else the double standard.

I noticed the racist imperialist Times of UK used the word Hindu Taliban regarding a group wanting to check the excessive drug and alcohol use that's destroyed many parts of Goa. These druggie tourists don't bring much money anyway. So wanting this garbage of the west out is a bad thing?
I think an Auto Factory or a steel mill can create more wealth than this unproductive low end tourism. At least target high end tourism. The high and mighty British are now interfering in India's internal affairs. This 3rd rate power, whose Empire has long set still think they can boss people around. The wonderful Christian terrorist's gave India a 12% literacy rate in 1947, and caused atleast 5 million deaths in the 1943 famine (the unspoken holocaust).

03-30-2009, 11:38 AM

Following atheist trend, Britons seek 'de-baptism'QUOTEMore than 100,000 Britons have recently downloaded "certificates of de-baptism" from the Internet to renounce their Christian faith.
The initiative launched by a group called the National Secular Society (NSS) follows atheist campaigns here and elsewhere, including a London bus poster which triggered protests by proclaiming "There's probably no God."

"We now produce a certificate on parchment and we have sold 1,500 units at three pounds (4.35 dollars, 3.20 euros) a pop," said NSS president Terry Sanderson, 58.
...........
Sheeps are running away.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-30-2009, 02:33 PM by Husky.)

^ awesomeness
Now all that's needed is for their Celtic and Northern Gods to beckon to them. Los geht's.

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HareKrishna · 03-30-2009, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Mar 29 2009, 08:14 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(suraksha @ Mar 19 2009, 09:22 PM)A religion and a faith is something that runs deep within,should it be ever affected by others reactions?God can be worshiped at home also.he is all pervasive isn't it?
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Hindu Nationalism is not a religious movement anyway as Hinduism is a collection of philosophies. Religion and faith and God and organized religion is actually all Abhrahamic terrorism perpetrated on the world.

Even the most "extreme" Hindu Nationalist's equivalents would be considered ultra-liberal Muslims and moderate Christians. This show more than anything else the double standard.

I noticed the racist imperialist Times of UK used the word Hindu Taliban regarding a group wanting to check the excessive drug and alcohol use that's destroyed many parts of Goa. These druggie tourists don't bring much money anyway. So wanting this garbage of the west out is a bad thing?
I think an Auto Factory or a steel mill can create more wealth than this unproductive low end tourism. At least target high end tourism. The high and mighty British are now interfering in India's internal affairs. This 3rd rate power, whose Empire has long set still think they can boss people around. The wonderful Christian terrorist's gave India a 12% literacy rate in 1947, and caused atleast 5 million deaths in the 1943 famine (the unspoken holocaust).
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Personaly i wish that all nations will unite in a single nation.
If this global nation will be dictatorial then no ,but if its a free world when everyone will have the freedom to belive what ever he wants as long as dont abuse of others(live and let live?).
So,im not a nationalist,neither a patriot.
But this i liked in India .When even atheist(carvakas) could say that religios people are buffoons and get away whit this.Imagine such movement in christian and muslim regions.They surely being decapitated.
Im not bother if some people have belives contradictory to mine as long as they dont try to imorally harm me.

But even so ,defensive nationalism is good .The agresive nations ruled by agresive morons politicians must be stoped.We cant let the french o abuse africans for exemple.

When a nation is nationalistic it can concore a non-nationalistic nation becouse the later are not united.Even if im not subscribe at nationalism i belive an least that is a necesary evil like the medicine(against germs),like the army and police.In a perfect world there is no need for them but this is not a perfect world.

Turism is a stable buisnies ,unlike a factory it cant go anywere.But is no reason to let misbehaving people to be tolerated only because they bring some cash.

Some say that to much philosophy ,unlike emotion,makes you weak and this is true in some cases ,but for me rationality makes me active in shunning imorality.

Now seems to me that hindu nationalism is more religious then any other type of nationalism in the world.

Sorry for off-topic but i couldnt help it.

HareKrishna · (This post was last modified: 03-30-2009, 11:33 PM by HareKrishna.)

Wasnt the asura Hiranyaksha to be worship as the one and only god? Was he Jehova?

Some say that Huwawa is Yahve.Its true?

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highl...mon_huwawa.aspx

Im afraid of Iahve anger.Even now im cristo-conditioned.

http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highl...g&retpage=18671

Husky · (This post was last modified: 04-04-2009, 11:56 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(HareKrishna @ Mar 30 2009, 11:23 PM)Now seems to me that hindu nationalism is more religious then any other type of nationalism in the world.[right][snapback]95937[/snapback][/right]
Sanatana Dharma - Sri Aurobindoâs famous speech at Uttarpara <- in the linked post, go down to the section titled as that.
Also http://voiceofdharma.com/books/ir/IR_frontpage.htm (Aurobindo's book India's Rebirth.)
Hindu nationalism is very Hindu. (The modern merely 'Indian' nationalism - i.e. secular nationalism - has nothing to maintain it, and no real reasons driving it except the remnants of the echoes of the old Indian nationalism that was Hindu. When the secular nationalists forget what is at the base of our nationalism, they find they have nothing.)

QUOTE(HareKrishna @ Mar 30 2009, 11:32 PM)Im afraid of Iahve anger.Even now im cristo-conditioned.[right][snapback]95938[/snapback][/right]
Remember:
1. Yahweh is the God of Jews only - they're the 'chosen people' of their deity Yahweh. His anger can't touch you. As per the OT, he specifically makes no covenant with non-Jews. For instance, see deuteronomy I think it was: others belong to other Gods. You're free, he doesn't want you.

Dt 32:
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2032&version=9;
QUOTE8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

9 For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.

11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him. Hence the covenant of Jews with Yahweh. Covenant is marked with circumcision, which signifies they belong to him.
(Moreover, in other official bible translations, 'Strange God' is rendered as 'Foreign God'.)

QUOTEExd 12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I [am] the LORD.

Exd 15:11 Who [is] like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who [is] like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful [in] praises, doing wonders? 
So even as per biblical mythology, the rest of the world has nothing to do with Yahweh.

2. Christoislamic jehovallah doesn't exist because we can see his invention: the tribal God of the Jews was plagiarised and made universal ('catholic'), bits of Greco-Roman and other religions were stolen, twisted and incorporated into christianism. E.g. Greek Tantalus, Germanic hel (Goddess of the underworld or something?), Zarathushtrian lake of fire, Gehenna (Geena?) being Jewish garbage dump outside of Jerusalem (and hence jahannam in islam) etcetera.

Look at the animals and the natural world. What do you think happens to them?
You're an animal too. So what kind of fictitious demon could torment you?

The nightmare is not real. Your stress from the mental anguish is real though. Let it go. All this religion babble is stressing you more. There is infinite Space out there over our heads (could a petty sadistic demon that likes to roast humans for eternity for not accepting His Evilness be capable of creating all that?). Just think of that and be at peace. Contemplate infinity.
Nature may seem cruel and callous from our subjective POV, but it is not vindictive. Vindictiveness does not exist in Nature. Hence impossibly evil (unnatural) characters called 'gawd' do not exist. They are obvious fiction.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 04-01-2009, 03:15 PM by Husky.)

5 items in no particular order.

1. A heretic catholic telling a catholic nun who has the Vatican's benediction what is and isn't christianism/catholicism. Note that only Hindus will be pleased with and blinkered by this article and will therefore post and repost this everywhere. All christian apologetics are applied to heathens, to take effect on heathens alone; it is immaterial whether the heretics applying the apologetics believe in what they're saying or not. (By the way, from my POV, 'heretic' is a compliment and 'christian' is an insult.)
Anyway the important bit is the indisputable facts of the case, which are:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?P...477&SKIN=C
QUOTEThe new Superior General of the Missionaries of Charity (MoC)Sr.Mary Prema made two revelations-that religious conversion-âis Godâs work. That-if she received divine inspiration she would go to Kandhamal.

2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/vam...resurfaces.html
QUOTEthe 'vampire of cochin' resurfaces!
mar 30th, 2009

the 'vampire of cochin' who had quietly vanished under the vatican's "identity-change and criminal-protection plan" seems to have been rousted.

wonder of wonders, he has been living with the nubile 25-year-old woman whom he had "adopted"!

http://insidekerala.com/n/index.php?mod=ar...s&article=44269

of course the ELM is completely silent about the antics of this hornball godman. not only did he 'adopt' the young woman and get 'spiritual nourishment' from her, he sprinked her blood around his ornate bishop's palace, and promised that her to-be-born son, who would be born bearing an iron rod, would fix the various problems the church faced. it is left as an exercise to the reader as to who is supposed to be the father of the to-be-born son. i am sure it was going to be another virgin birth.

first-class example of what christism does to the brain (using the term loosely, of course). i wonder what has happened to thattunkal's massage parlors and hospitals in cochin. vatican must be making money off of them.

incidentally, his replacement -- one godman acharuparambil -- has been observed recently telling the kkkangress which candidates to choose. no, no, this is *not* interference in the state by the church. it is entirely 'pseudo-secular'. that is, semites can do anything they want.
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QUOTEBishop Thattunkal found at house of âadopted daughterâ
30/03/2009 22:33:36Â PNS | Pathanamthitta

Controversial Catholic bishop John Thattunkal, who was removed in October last from his official duties as Bishop of Kochi following his adoption of a mature woman and performance of exorcism on the Bishopâs Palace using her blood, is again fallen into further trouble with his stay at the house of the âadopted daughterâ.

The Vatican had ordered his removal from holy rites after the adoption and exorcism became a huge controversy as the Canon Laws of Rome did not have any provision for adoption by priests. Even then, certain outfits of believers had pointed out that way a Bishop could keep a mature woman with him was to conduct a âsecret marriageâ, and his present stay at the womanâs place justified this argument, said an influential priest under Kochi diocese.

The priest was spotted on Sunday at the house of Fr CK Joseph, a priest of the Orthodox Church, whose adopted daughter this mature woman was, at Makkamkunnu in Pathanamthitta town. Even when mediapersons arrived at the place with the information, the neighbours had no idea of the former Kochi bishop living in that house. The camera crew of a television news channel spotted the bishop and the woman sitting together on the balcony of the house. The cleric was in ordinary dress and not cassock.

Clergy at the Archdiocese of Varappuzha, Kochi, under which he had been serving as bishop, said this was a shock to them as Thattunkal had informed them while surrendering his position as bishop following the controversy that he would be leaving for Bangalore. It was said that he had never gone to Bangalore and could have been frequenting the house of his âadopted daughterâ ever since his removal as Kochi bishop.

When mediapersons and local residents tried to enter the fortified house, Fr Joseph tried to prevent them saying Thattunkal was not inside. Though the mediapersons were prepared to cooperate with the Orthodox church priest, the local residents persisted in their demand which necessitated the arrival of the police.

Despite protests from the Orthodox priest, the police searched the house and found bishop Thattunkal hiding in a room. The police left the place after they were convinced that there was nothing for them to do but the local residents continued their protest saying such practices could not be allowed there. The family of Fr Joseph, against whom the Thumbamon diocese of the Orthodox Church had taken disciplinary action twice in connection with the relationship with the âadopted daughterâ, had been living in total isolation from neighbours.

He told mediapersons that he had been staying at the house for the past one month
and would be continuing to stay there one week more before leaving for Rome, to where he had been called. He said envoy of The Vatican for India, Pedro Lopez Quintana was in the know of his whereabouts.

Thattunkal said he had to take shelter in the house as he had nowhere else to go. Though he had tried to stay in the facilities of the church after being removed as bishop, he had to leave all those places. Information was that he had stayed at different places and had come to Pathanamthitta from his ancestral house in Ezhupunna, Alappuzha district.

Thattunkal became the central character in a controversy after he announced that he had adopted Sonia, 26, after identifying âcertain spiritual qualitiesâ in her. He had also done some consecration rites using this womanâs blood on the Bishopâs Palace in Kochi, which was a blasphemous act of exorcism as far as the Catholic Church was concerned.

The Varappuzha Archdiocese of the church came under pressure from majority of the parish priests who protested against the adoption and act of exorcism. Archbishop Daniel Acharuparampil contacted Pedro Lopez Quintana and took up the issue with The Vatican. Rome acted by constituting a three-priest panel to look into the matter, which found Thattunkal guilty, following which he was removed from his position on October 23 last.

Reports had said that Thattunkal had come across the woman (who, according to a version was actually well into her late 30s) during a pilgrimage through Europe. Those who had travelled with them in that trip had said that Sonia had been trying to be near Thattunkal at all occasions. Fr Joseph had adopted Sonia, hailing from Konni in Pathanamthitta district, when she was three years old.

4. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/chr...e-year-old.html
QUOTEchristist maniac murders one-year-old hindu boy via starving him to death
mar 31st, 2009

the ELM will obviously not carry this news as it makes those christist nutcases look bad. what do you have to say, t n ninan, pamela philipose, b g verghese, arundhati susan roy, a j philip and a whole host of other kerala christists who have infiltrated the media?

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From: Arvind
Subject: Bobby Jindal should watch out!
To: Rajeev Srinivasan

I'm worried for Bobby (real name Piyush) Jindal. He has already done some crazy stuff like chasing away demons. Authorities should take Piyush's wife and kids into protective custody.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/31/cult.c...eath/index.html

A Maryland woman involved with a group described as a religious cult pleaded guilty in the starvation death of her son, but insisted that the charges be dropped when he is resurrected.
...
Ramkissoon, a member of a group called One Mind Ministries, believes Javon Thompson, her year-old son, will rise again, and as part of her plea agreement, authorities agreed to the clause.
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Authorities believe the boy's body was then placed into a wheeled suitcase along with mothballs and fabric-softener sheets, documents said.
...
Silverman described her as a petite, soft-spoken woman who rejected her family's Hindu religion, became a devout Christian and wanted to raise her son in that religion.

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5. This most certainly goes under christianism.
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/mov...baba-fails.html
QUOTETuesday, March 31, 2009
Move to malign Sai Baba fails
mar 31st, 2009

so the sai baba was not doing anything dubious.

what happened to all the alleged "1000s of cases"? i guess it is like the "2000 muslims killed in gujarat" and "78 virgins" and "jesus christ" and "'saint' thomas who came to india". pure figments of the imagination. very convenient for those with vested interests.

i do hope the sai baba folks sue this crazy drug-addict/lush for $100 million bucks just to make a point. the co-defendants the BBC and the danish channel surely have deep enough pockets and will settle out of court for $10 million to avoid punitive damages in libel.

and yes, as sandhya says, the ELM will not say a word about this. actually it will, if india today is named as a co-defendant in the defamation suit. they will crawl, they will beg, they will lick anybody's boots.

actually such a suit could be a broad one, with amicus curiae briefs filed by the CAPEEM, the HAF, and others. it could terrorize people like witzel and courtright who persist in lies, libel and defamation about hinduism and hindus.

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http://www.dailypioneer.com/166239/Move-to...Baba-fails.html

Tuesday, March 31, 2009 |

Move to malign Sai Baba fails

Sandhya jain

On March 14, a lingering, insidious smear campaign against Sathya Sai Baba quietly fizzled out when Channel Nine MSN removed a biased anti-Baba broadcast from its official Website. Ardent Sai defamer Robert Priddy admitted on his blog that Channel Nine MSN "would not have removed the video had there not been legitimate complaints about the content and disinformation in their video".

Sai Baba devotees following the so-called sex scandal case were gratified to find that over the past few years many accusers were exposed as liars and worse. The main accuser, who inspired a BBC documentary, withdrew his California court case against the Sai Baba Society on realising exposure was nigh.

As usual, when false accusations are made against Hindu gurus, a high-decibel media campaign begins. But when the innocence of the accused is established, the cacophony melts into stoic silence. It is to the credit of devotees that anti-Sai Baba information has been purged from US Government and UNESCO Websites, among others.

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Move to malign Sai Baba fails

Sandhya jain

On March 14, a lingering, insidious smear campaign against Sathya Sai Baba quietly fizzled out when Channel Nine MSN removed a biased anti-Baba broadcast from its official Website. Ardent Sai defamer Robert Priddy admitted on his blog that Channel Nine MSN âwould not have removed the video had there not been legitimate complaints about the content and disinformation in their videoâ.

Sai Baba devotees following the so-called sex scandal case were gratified to find that over the past few years many accusers were exposed as liars and worse. The main accuser, who inspired a BBC documentary, withdrew his California court case against the Sai Baba Society on realising exposure was nigh.

As usual, when false accusations are made against Hindu gurus, a high-decibel media campaign begins. But when the innocence of the accused is established, the cacophony melts into stoic silence. It is to the credit of devotees that anti-Sai Baba information has been purged from US Government and UNESCO Websites, among others.

Mr Alaya Rahmâs sexual abuse allegations against Sai Baba gained international notoriety when featured on the documentaries, Seduced By Sai Baba and Secret Swami. His allegations were published in Britain (The Daily Telegraph) and India (India Today). An army of anti-Sai activists translated the allegations into several languages and spread them via the Internet. At first, the claims seemed disturbingly true; now they have simply vanished!

Mr Rahm filed his lawsuit, Alaya Rahm vs Sathya Sai Baba Society, in the Superior Court of California on January 6, 2005 (Case No. 05cc01931). Under Californiaâs statute of limitations, an individual can file a lawsuit for alleged sexual molestation up to his/her 26th birthday, if the alleged events occurred before the age of 18. Mr Rahm filed his case two days before this expiry date.

The trial was set for April 28, 2006, but on April 7 the plaintiff self-dismissed his own lawsuit. He attempted to sue for money damages, but no offers of settlement were made and no money or other consideration was paid; the case was dismissed âwith prejudiceâ and is binding under the international doctrine of res judicata. This means Mr Rahm can never file another lawsuit against Sathya Sai Baba, in the US or in India, for the same claims made in this case.

Mr Rahm never sought medical or psychiatric treatment for alleged trauma and could not itemise any wage losses. Moreover, no other alleged victim came forward to testify in support of his allegations, though anti-Sai activists claimed there were âover a hundredâ alleged victims in the US. He gave no reasons for quitting; no deposition was filed and no witnesses were identified to the court on his behalf.

Although Mr Rahmâs accusations received publicity, his claims were not thoroughly investigated until the lawsuit was filed. During the subsequent legal process, it was found that Mr Rahm and his family members made speeches at a number of retreats and conferences between 1995 and 1999, the period in which the alleged sexual abuses took place. Many talks were recorded and found to contain no suggestion of wrongdoing. Rather, there was enthusiastic praise of the Baba; Mr Rahm even wrote a love poem to him.

The legal process identified witnesses present at the Indian ashram when the events allegedly occurred. One witness, Mr Lewis Kreydick, purchased Mr Rahmâs ticket and accompanied him to India in 1995 and in 1997; he was present in some meetings in which Mr Rahm later claimed to have been sexually abused.

Mr Kreydick inter alia testified that he had close links with Mr Rahm from 1995 to 1997, and spoke with him daily when at the ashram in 1995 and 1997, discussing details of each meeting Mr Rahm had with Baba. Though Mr Rahm shared confidential details about his sexual past with Mr Kreydick, he never related or suggested, in this period, that any misconduct, wrongdoing or sexual actions had transpired between him and Baba. In fact, he only narrated positive and miraculous experiences.

Mr Kreydick signed his typed deposition on April 7, 2006. The same day, the defendant (the Sathya Sai Baba Society) filed Mr Kreydickâs deposition as part of the official record, and Mr Rahm self-dismissed his case! Obviously, he did not feel confident to take his case to trial, though he was represented by an experienced sexual abuse trial lawyer.

Further, in Form Interrogatory No. 6.3, Set One, Mr Rahm admitted to being a daily user of illegal street drugs and alcohol from 1995 to 2005. Thus, throughout his allegations and the filming of the BBC Documentary Secret Swami and the Danish Documentary Seduced By Sai Baba, Mr Rahm was under the influence of illegal street drugs and alcohol. This was suppressed from the general public by his family and anti-Baba associates.

The controversy persisted because of the doggedness of ex-devotees, possibly persons who infiltrated the ashram in the guise of devotees, with the intention of maligning Baba later. Key blogs in the defamation were robertpriddy.wordpress.com; barrypittard.wordrpess.com; briansteel.wordpress.com. None of these gentlemen was sexually abused, nor had personally witnessed any incident of alleged abuse. Interestingly, some eminent Western âHindusâ joined the anti-Sai crusade with startling enthusiasm, fuelling suspicions about the possible political agendas of these faux converts.

No alleged victim ever filed a police or court case against Baba in India for alleged improprieties, though former devotees kept chanting that âhundredsâ, indeed ââthousandsââ of ââminorsââ, ââchildrenââ and âmale youthâ were molested by Sathya Sai Baba.

Who inspired these venomous former devotees to launch investigations into vile rumours? Devotees say the âAnti-Sai Movementâ is an extremist hate group which habitually makes wild allegations, including the laughable claim that the Baba is allied with terrorists! One magazine published a fake picture of Sai Baba holding hands with Idi Amin!

The truth is that neither Sai Baba nor any organisation associated with him has been charged or implicated for sexual abuse, either directly or indirectly, and that reputable media agencies and independent journalists have not been able to confirm a single instance of sexual abuse linked to Sai Baba or his organisations. Gutter allegations tend to choke on their own stink.

agnivayu · 04-02-2009, 08:12 AM

Hindu Nationalism is actually Indian Nationalism. Hindu culture is Indian culture. What else is Indian, Islamic culture is Arabic, Christianity is Middle Eastern/Western.

If we are talking about spirituality, that is not restricted to India or Earth or any specific geographic location. Although Hindu culture does allow Vedic Religion to flourish as the oppressive Abrahamic religions thrive on fear and would not allow any ideas deemed heretic. In that sense Hindu Nationalism's tolerance is vital for the Religious ideas to survive.
However, it is also true that there are many Atheist Hindu Nationalists, who see the threat that the non-secular Abrahamists pose.

QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 30 2009, 02:32 PM)^ awesomeness
Now all that's needed is for their Celtic and Northern Gods to beckon to them. Los geht's.

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HareKrishna · 04-02-2009, 06:59 PM

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 2 2009, 08:12 AM)Hindu Nationalism is actually Indian Nationalism.Â Hindu culture is Indian culture.Â What else is Indian, Islamic culture is Arabic, Christianity is Middle Eastern/Western.Â

If we are talking about spirituality, that is not restricted to India or Earth or any specific geographic location.Â Although Hindu culture does allow Vedic Religion to flourish as the oppressive Abrahamic religions thrive on fear and would not allow any ideas deemed heretic.Â In that sense Hindu Nationalism's tolerance is vital for the Religious ideas to survive.
However, it is also true that there are many Atheist Hindu Nationalists, who see the threat that the non-secular Abrahamists pose.


how should we deal whit
-evil religios ideology(xian,moha-mad-an)
-evil non-religios ideology(nazi,commie)
-good or neutral religios ideology(hinduism,shamanism)
-good or neutral non-religios ideology(atheism,humanism)

How should we deal whit people spreading evil ideologies ,how the freedom of speech can deal whit this?
nazi and muslims in Uk for exemple use freedom of speech right to spread hate mesages.

What make a evil ideology evil?

G.Subramaniam · 04-03-2009, 06:08 AM

Outlook -article - 'Loss of Faith'

Hindus say the Dalit Pana Christians declare themselves Hindus in state surveys to corner land and affirmative action benefits meant for SCs and STsâsomething they aren't entitled to. (A household survey was cancelled recently after it emerged that the majority of the riot-affected Christians had earlier declared themselves as Hindus.) The state has now launched an inquiry.

G.Subramaniam · 04-03-2009, 06:09 AM

Outlook article- Interview with xtian bishop cheenath

Notice how he dodges

A section of Christians are claiming SC/ST benefits they arenât entitled to?

This clause is an unjust amendment in the Constitution. If Muslims, Sikhs and Buddhists can have SC status, then why not Christians? Christians are also Indians. And if a Harijan Christian becomes a Hindu, he gets back all the reservations. Why is that? The Supreme Court-appointed committee has concluded that it is against the Constitution and has to be repealed.

The Orissa Freedom of Religion Act mandates that every conversion be registered with the state. Why have Christians not respected it?

It is against the Constitution and inhibits freedom of religion. If I want to marry a girl, should I ask for your permission? Is it a necessary rule? Why donât all states have it? Why only a few? Every person has the right to practise and propagate his or her religion according to the Constituti

Husky · (This post was last modified: 04-04-2009, 11:55 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 2 2009, 08:12 AM)Hindu Nationalism is actually Indian Nationalism.Â Hindu culture is Indian culture.[right][snapback]96009[/snapback][/right]The catholic cardinal of point 2 below certainly agrees with you.

1. QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Apr 3 2009, 06:09 AM)Outlook article- Interview with xtian bishop cheenath

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2. And then you get things like open theft:
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QUOTE(Husky @ Mar 29 2009, 11:55 AM)The catholic cardinal Vithayathil appointed by higher-ups to be Head Of Catholic Damage Control and who therefore wrote the christian apologetics book "Straight from the heart" to offset nun Jesme's book exposing what goes on in the christian ranks is now back.

This time the terrorist cardinal is into the catholic hobby of christian inculturation and is lobbying for the BJP now (new book targeted at the flock "It's time to Vote, sheep: Bad CPM, Good BJP").
Count the number of typically-christian lies he utters in the following. There's one obvious one at the very end.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...459&SKIN=K
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTECardinal appreciates BJP ; Exposes CPI-M Treachery
28/03/2009 13:40:27Â

CPI-M is a threat to democracy & India: Book

www.rediff.com/election/2009/mar/27loksabhapoll-cpm-a-threat-to-democracy.htm

[...]
'The Marxist party will use all kinds of tactics to strengthen itself in places where it is in power. That they will do throughout India once they get to power at the Centre, will be no different from Mao or Stalin,' says Cardinal Mar Varkey Vithayathil in his book Straight From Heart.

[...]
Praising the Congress and its allies, the book says, they have 'more respect' for an individual and his fundamental rights.

Putting his views on BJP, the Cardinal in the book says, 'The commendable thing about the party is that they want to preserve the good aspects of Indian culture like modesty of women and promoting certain moral values, for which they would opt for stricter media censorship. For them religion is very important and they support democracy and human rights.

'Besides protecting ancient culture and heritage of India, like Vedas, Upanishads and the great philosophical teachings to the six systems of Indian philosophy, BJP respects, preserves and promotes knowledge of Sanskrit and Ayurveda.'

The party is a 'great defender of our many achievements of the past', the book says.
(Who is 'our'? India's christos haven't achieved anything - well, unless one counts their inviting the christoPortuguese, cheering the various christocolonials, stealing temple lands, conspiring against Hindu Dharma, murdering our people including Swamis.)

However the saffron party, Vithayathil says, 'has forgotten that Catholics of the country also regard Indian culture, philosophy, literature and science as their heritage. The Catholic Church will certainly protect them just as it has responsibly protected and preserved Greek and Roman cultures.'I.e. the christoliar who stated "Hindu civilisation is Catholic heritage" is promising that christianism will murder the Dharmic tradition in the same way it has murdered the Greco-Roman civilisation of the Hellenes.

Any estimate on how many gullible Hindus will be infatuated with this cardinal for his:
[...]
- "wonderful admission" that catholics now have a claim on Hindu scriptures and Dharmic civilisation. This is actually theft, but Hindus want to be robbed and stabbed. It's only their 'christian brethren' after all. "We must share". Ignoring for the moment that Dharmic civilisation is simply not shareable with terrorist ideologies, Why? When christianism has murdered peoples and civilisations all over the globe and continues to murder our own, why must we share? Why embrace the terrorist ideology's latest sinister overture (flowery words covering stabbing knife) with open arms?
C'est debile.
[right][snapback]95871[/snapback][/right]</div>At one time 'Indian' could decently equate with 'Dharmic/Hindu' (depending on how Indian people of Dharmic traditions feel about the term 'Hindu') since that was the general case.
Now christoterrorists claim the label 'Indian' - since it's now become secular (nationality and ethnicity alone), they are trying to use it to claim all Hindu things as their own. That's how they got Yoga to become 'secular', and from there it was a small step to 'christian ioga'.

3. And obviously some Hindus will readily roll over to supposedly 'share' with the parasitic terrorist ideologies just that (though, as the Greco-Romans and Persians would tell us - if only they were still here: sharing does not exist in christoislamism. There is only 1. heathens foolishly giving in amity what is NOT FOR GIVING/SHARING; and 2. the illegal grabbing-while-stabbing by the christoislamaniacs):

QUOTE(Bodhi @ Apr 2 2009, 01:34 PM)In first speech as RSS chief, Bhagwat says their Hindutva idea emancipatory

Express news service

Apr 01, 2009

New Delhi : At his first public appearance after taking over as the new RSS chief, Mohan Bhagwat on Tuesday invoked the names of former president A P J Abdul Kalam and the father of White Revolution, Dr Varghese Kurien, in his forceful articulation of Hindutva which, he said, was coterminous with âVasudhaiva Kutumbakam (the philosophy of the world being a family)â or âBharatiyataâ.

âAll the inhabitants of Hindusthan are Hindus by virtue of their culture and way of life,â the RSS Sarsanghchalak said, adding that the Sanghâs description of âHindusthanâ was not limited to âthe geographical entity called Indiaâ.

âIt is variously described as being a Bharatiya, an Arya or a Hindu. But this idea is emancipatory â this talks about the welfare of all. Ingrained in our philosophy, this is also known as Hindutva,â said Bhagwat.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story_print...yid=441602
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Dharmics like to keep housing terrorist ideologies and allowing the terrorist sheep everything ("here's our Swami murder him; here's the NE, genocide the people and claim it for christ; here's Kerala, Bengal, TN, AP - take it and infest it), including even allowing them to claim Dharmic culture/history/civilisation = all Dharmic religion. Dharmics never learn from the Greeks and the Romans. (<- And that's an insult one can't hurl at the Greco-Romans, because they'd never have made the same mistake twice and would moreover have avoided it the first time if only they'd known of a precedent.)

So now this new RSS chief has it that Hindu and Hindutva will mean no more than the secular 'Indian'.
Apparently we have no identity. And everything of ours is for others to grab as their own. Then it doesn't really matter if they steal it and stamp out Dharma, does it: it supposedly was theirs already to do with as they pleased.

agnivayu · (This post was last modified: 04-04-2009, 05:22 AM by agnivayu.)

In reality, Hinduism and Religion are Abhrahamic inventions (Just the terms of course, as Vedic Civlization has existed for thousands of years before any Abhrahamic religion existed).

However, it's also true Hinduism is a religion in relation to Islam and Christianity.

The right answer is that Hinduism is more than just religion, it's everything that's native to India.
Depending on the situation and who you are dealing with, it can be a religion (Islam vs. Christianity) or cultural nationalism (when dealing with Non-religious enemies).

These things are mostly Political statements and strategy. In reality there can only be one reality, but that's why spirituality is separate from politics.

Hindu civilization is more analogous to Western Civilization than Christianity alone. In other words it includes many Vedic Philosophies. Christianity and Islam can never be part of Hindu civilization (firstly due to their own statements, second they are intolerant religions).

Be flexible in your strategy. In Europe and even in the U.S. and rest of the world, Non-religious movements are gaining in strength as people see the absurdity of organized Abhrahamic religions. The RSS chiefs strategy might be to confuse the enemy and distinguish Hinduism from the Crusader and Jihadi war that's raging in the world right now. His strategy is to include Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs as part of Hindu civilization. It cannot include Xtianity and Islam since they don't want peace with us.

Your comment equating me to a provincial governor of the Neo-Roman Empire (Catholic Church) is meaningless.

Christianity's appeal is due to the Wealth and Power of the West as their philosophy is hollow and weak. Given that those things are steadily declining, the Catholic's may be getting impatient and desperate.

**acharya** · 04-04-2009, 05:22 AM

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 3 2009, 11:49 AM)In reality, Hinduism and Religion are Abhrahamic inventions (Just the terms of course, as Vedic Civlization has existed for thousands of years before any Abhrahamic religion existed).

However, it's also true Hinduism is a religion in relation to Islam and Christianity.

The right answer is that Hinduism is more than just religion, it's everything that's native to India.Â
Depending on the situation and who you are dealing with, it can be a religion (Islam vs. Christianity) or cultural nationalism (when dealing with Non-religious enemies).

These things are mostly Political statements and strategy.Â In reality there can only be one reality, but that's why spirituality is separate from politics.

Hindu civilization is more analogous to Western Civilization than Christianity alone.Â In other words it includes many Philosophies.

Be flexible in your strategy.Â In Europe and even in the U.S. and rest of the world, Non-religious movements are gaining in strength as people see the absurdity of organized Abhrahamic religions.Â The RSS chiefs strategy might be to confuse the enemy and distinguish Hinduism from the Crusader and Jihadi war that's raging in the world right now.

Your comment equating me to a provincial governor of the Neo-Roman Empire (Catholic Church) is meaningless.

Christianity's appeal is due to the Wealth and Power of the West as their philosophy is hollow and weak.Â Given that those things are steadily declining, the Catholic's may be getting impatient and desperate.
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Very good

Husky · (This post was last modified: 04-04-2009, 08:01 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 4 2009, 05:19 AM)His strategy is to include Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs as part of Hindu civilization.[right][snapback]96061[/snapback][/right]
But they are already included automatically. It is not up to the RSS chief to include or disclude them from the definition of Hindu.
(If some today don't accept the word Hindu, then the word Dharmic civilisation cannot be offensive to them and carries the same meaning ultimately.)

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 4 2009, 05:19 AM)It cannot include Xtianity and Islam since they don't want peace with us.[right][snapback]96061[/snapback][/right]
It cannot include christianism and islamism because christianism and islamism cannot be included. The followers are discluded only because they follow christoislamism. Not because 'they' don't want peace with us. It's their ideology that does not want peace with us.
And their ideology has nothing to do with Dharmic civilisation, has contributed not at all and has only tried to destroy it and the Hindus/Dharmics.

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 4 2009, 05:19 AM)Your comment equating me to a provincial governor of the Neo-Roman Empire (Catholic Church) is meaningless.[right][snapback]96061[/snapback][/right]
That's not what I did. What I said is that the catholic cardinal will agree with you (he will). This can only be superficially, since it is the wording that will make him leap at the chance.
Christianism plays with words and uses it to appropriate and destroy. It therefore likes it when heathens give them an opening with unguarded wording.

QUOTE(agnivayu @ Apr 4 2009, 05:19 AM)Christianity's appeal is due to the Wealth and Power of the West as their philosophy is hollow and weak. Given that those things are steadily declining, the Catholic's may be getting impatient and desperate.[right][snapback]96061[/snapback][/right]
You don't understand the catholic church. The catholic church is certain it will regain Europe in time (it will keep trying, like Stoker's Dracula). But Asia has always been on the agenda. Conversion of the whole world is on the agenda - as it's ever been - just as is the case with islam.

E.g. Catholic church has never given up on taking Eastern Orthodox nations (like Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Romania). It is still intent on retaking the nations that have become protestant as well. In NL and DE the call is still to outbreed the protestants, which they have been doing rather successfully.
The catholic church was not born yesterday and its plans are long term. It has always known to bide its time and sets its plans in motion when it feels it is ready. It feels it is ready in Bharatam.

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