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Capt M Kumar · 02-08-2009, 08:14 PM

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/grenade.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='grenade.gif' /> "Surgical strikes are definitely feasible but whether you wish to take that decision or not not is a separate issue," he said when asked by PTI whether such strikes were feasible.

"Definitely yes. Whether you would like to look at doing it (carrying out such strikes) by air or artillery or by another means or physically there," he said in reply to questions.

http://news.in.msn.com/international/artic...umentid=1816818

02-11-2009, 09:57 AM

Lockheed, Boeing $11 Billion Order Snags on U.S.-India Talks QUOTEFeb. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Efforts by Lockheed Martin Corp. and rival Boeing Co. to win Indiaâs $11 billion fighter-jet order, the largest military contest in play worldwide, hinge on whether the South Asian nation will allow U.S. officials to monitor the use of American-made defense equipment.

Lockheed and Boeing, the largest U.S. defense contractors, made their first military sales to India only within the past 12 months. Until the U.S. lifted sanctions in September 2001 that were imposed after 1998 nuclear tests, India had relied on the former Soviet Union and later Russia and European suppliers for weapons for more than five decades.

The relationship now faces its biggest test as the U.S. contractors prepare to compete against each other and suppliers from Russia, France, Sweden and Europe for the 126-aircraft order that may come in 2010. Lockheed and Boeing have an additional hurdle, as India has yet to agree to U.S. efforts to enforce a law requiring inspections of exported weapons.
.......
Before election COngress needs bribe money and they will get, hell to Indias long time security.
Deal should be done after election.

02-12-2009, 09:39 AM

BAE Systems Seeks Indian Partners to Build Military Vessels 

Another contract to get hefty payments for Congress months before election.

02-16-2009, 01:24 AM

Tainted General holds up Army promotions

Here is another example , how Congress had destroyed Indian Army.

02-16-2009, 09:08 PM

Here is another example , Con-gress assualt on India
QUOTEWhy is India diluting Valour?
DEATH IS HUMBLING BUTÂ NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH BRAVERY
By Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi

Â Â Â Â Â Â An unprecedented eleven Ashoka Chakras were presented by the Rashtrapati on the 60th anniversary of the Republic. That the numbers are exceptionally high may not be an issue, as bravery of the most exceptional order cannot and must not be constrained by numbers. However, the highest peace-time award must only be bestowed for exceptional bravery and for no other reason. There is a question mark on whether the awards this year were given only to the exceptionally brave.

Â Â Â Â Â Â In writing this piece I am aware that I am touching a sensitive issue, especially as it is about the death of four highly regarded police officers. To that extent, I am guilty of being politically incorrect, but there are times when one has to speak one's mind, however unpalatable it may be. This is one of those exceptional occasions. My aim in doing so is not to denigrate the sacrifices made by these officers but to caution the national leadership not to succumb to political expediency when considering such weighty issues as conferring of the highest bravery awards.

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â We Indians are highly emotional when it comes to death, but emotions have no place when it is a question of recognising valour. The highest recognition for exceptional bravery is the award of Ashoka Chakra in peace time and that of the Param Vir Chakra in the face of the enemy during war. These are the only two awards that are bestowed publicly at the Republic Day Parade and for good reason, so that the bravery of the awardees is fully appreciated by the entire nation. All other awards, for bravery as well as for distinguished service, are presented by the Rashtrapati on investiture parades held at Rashtrapati Bhavan.

Â Â Â Â Â Â In accordance with the official website, Ashoka Chakra is awarded for most conspicuous bravery, or some act of daring or pre-eminent act of valour or self-sacrifice otherwise than in the face of the enemy. All ranks of the army, the navy and the air force, members of the nursing services of the armed forces or of any of the reserve forces, the territorial army, militia and of any other lawfully constituted forces are eligible to receive this medal. Civilian citizens of either sex in all walks of life, other than members of police forces and of recognised fire services are also eligible.

Â Â Â Â Â Â Soon after the terrorist attack in Mumbai, where a number of senior police officers had lost their lives within a few hours of the terrorist strike, an analyst had termed them "Innocent Casualties". In amplification he had stated that these three officers, along with a few policemen had been surprised, waylaid and butchered without getting a chance to use their weapons. Perhaps their lack of training did not permit them to anticipate and react with operational swiftness. Their dear ones do deserve our deep sympathy and heartfelt condolences, as well as care and compassion, but do they meet the criteria of "the most conspicuous bravery"? The same applies to another police officer who was unfortunately killed in an earlier incident in Delhi.

Â Â Â Â Â Â By all accounts, all four police officers were highly efficient, dedicated and exemplary officers. Their devotion to duty needs to be recognised and honoured, but this is not the way of doing so. There is a vast difference between gallantry awards and awards for distinguished service. A large number of military personnel, especially from the army, lay down their lives or lose limbs fighting
terrorists in various parts of the country, nearly on a daily basis. Their sacrifices are for the country. Yet most of them do not qualify for earning gallantry awards, even of a lesser category. Let me cite my own example. I lost my leg during the 1965 Indo-Pak War and became permanently disabled, but I did not get any award. Neither did I ever think that I should have been given one. The same is the case with the large number of soldiers and officers who are killed or disabled in wars or warlike situations. That is how it should be.

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In the army, grant of gallantry awards is an elaborate process, where commanders at successive levels give their recommendations after evaluating all facts. Eventually, a committee presided over by the Vice Chief takes the final decision. During this process, the operational staff briefs the committee about all facets of the relevant operations. It is only when all members of the committee are fully satisfied that the award is approved. In the case of higher level of awards, the cases also need the Chief's approval and later that of the Minister of Defence.

Â Â Â Â Â Â The trend of bestowing gallantry awards merely because officers had lost their lives in terror-related incidents goes back to the death of two senior officers in Afghanistan in a terrorist incident, who were awarded Kirti Chakras, the second highest gallantry award not in the face of the enemy. The two, one a brigadier from the army and the other an officer of the foreign service, lost their lives as they were driving in when an explosive device was exploded by terrorists at the embassy gate. Surely there was no bravery there. The government must take all actions to help the next of kin monetarily and for subsequent rehabilitation, but it must not be done by bestowing high level gallantry awards. Such hasty and irrational decisions taken by the Government devalue the awards, besides creating embarrassment.

Â Â Â Â Â Â My concern in this piece is that if we persist in this type of populous largesse, the sanctity and aura attached to these highest level gallantry awards that the nation bestows on the bravest of the brave would disappear. Surely, the nation does not want this, even if some political leaders desire it for extraneous reasons.

The writer is a former Vice Chief of Army Staff (VCOAS).


Same I said, showing up drunk in duty and get killed sitting in car makes you entitled for Ashok Chakra in India. It is real bravery.
They should start 10 Janpath bravery award and give these award to Sonia's political braves and please leave Ashok Chakra for real real brave guys or gals.

Capt M Kumar · 02-20-2009, 05:40 AM

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /> The Indian National Defence University (INDU) has finally come to Haryana with Binola in Gurgaon getting the nod of the Prime Ministerâs Office. However, Haryanaâs gain has been Punjabâs loss which, too, had been vying for this university, hanging fire for nearly nine months.

With Binola getting the approval of the PMO, the state government would acquire the land for the university under an emergency clause which could take anywhere between one to six months. The cost of acquisition would be borne by the ministry, which had already been informed that the tentative cost of the land acquisition would come to nearly Rs 100 crore.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090220/main8.htm

**shamu** · 02-20-2009, 05:56 AM

Couldn't they setup this institute in a non-agricultural area like Northern Karnataka, MP (sorry they are BJP ruled states) or Rajasthan?

Currently India must be extremely careful not to lose any agrarian land for non-agriculture purposes.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2009, 06:54 PM by Husky.)

This too is very much the result of christianism ruling India: demoralising army to discourage it.
The moral: when you fight for psecularism and to uphold psecularism, it will not honour you in return.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...245&SKIN=B
QUOTEMoist eyes, they return medals
22/02/2009 02:46:24Â Neha Pushkarna, TNN

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-4167284,prtpage-1.cms

NEW DELHI: Subedar Chauhan could not hold back his tears as he parted with his medals on Saturday. He said he had worn them close to his heart all his life but only the government could not stand up to his contribution to the country. Nearly 300 ex-servicemen returned their medals to President Pratibha Devisingh Patil on Saturday in protest to demand `equal pension for equal service.'

"More than 3000 medals were collected on Saturday, which we returned at the Rashtrapati Bhawan. We wanted to give the medals to our Supreme Commander, President Patil, but she did not meet us. If our demand is not considered, many more ex-servicemen of all ranks will return their medals,'' said Maj Gen (Retd) Satbir Singh, vice-chairperson, Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement the group that initiated this protest in December 2008.

More than 2000 medals were earlier returned to the President on February 8 when ex-servicemen from all over the country, including 300 general-rank officers, had gathered at Jantar Mantar. According to the ex-servicemen, those who retired earlier get less pension than those who retired recently even though their number of years in service may be same.

Retd Commander Sharan Ahuja, member, Indian ESM Movement, said, "If an officer of my rank retires today after 20 years of service, he would get Rs 30,000 per month as pension. However, I get Rs 14,500 as I retired in 1994.'' The ex-servicemen say that the disparity in the pension of the defence personnel retiring at different times is too stark because the old ex-servicemen never got adequate increment after the various Central Pay Commissions. They said that the issue has been raging for 25 years now.

Retd Commander Ahuja said, "We have fought the wars in 1965 and 1971. We had spent our lives looking after the frontiers of the country. Many of us don't even know how many schools did our children had to change. Many of us weren't even around when our children were born.'' He added, "Our medals were a testimony to all this but we had to give them up as no government has acted on our demand to have equal pension for equal service in all these years. Ex-servicemen from all the three forces are together.''

Hawaldar Mukesh, who retired in 2004, said that government should understand the plight of the ex-servicemen after they retire. "I haven't fought against plastic bullets. Then why is my pension less than those who retired after me. There are no jobs for ex-servicemen either'' he said. Subedar Ram Swaroop Yadav, who retired from the army in 1992 says returning the medals is as painful for him as parting with his child. "But if the President doesn't have any concern for our services, we better give the medals back,'' he said.One type of job for ex-servicemen: give defense training to lay Hindus so they can protect their families from christoislamicommuni goons. Christoislamicommunis are armed by TSP and islamic underworld, or christowest (Baptist church arming and providing ammo for NFLT) or wherever communitwits procure their weapons from. Hindu communities need to learn self-defense.

03-08-2009, 06:43 PM

Interceptor does it again

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' />

03-08-2009, 06:51 PM

Missile Shield

Capt M Kumar · 03-16-2009, 07:04 PM

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /> But there are those who aver that the "Pink Slip Syndrome" in the private sector has shaken the officers out of stupor. "Army also provided dignity, facilities and perks, which sometimes added to six times the actual pay of the officer. We never realised this and went by the bloated C2C salary slips in the private sector. The meltdown has brought us face to face with the reality," said an alumni of the school waiting to pick-up his rank as Brigadier. His comes from a family, which has had a tradition of serving in the armed forces.

In fact there were quite a few who regretted the decision to not plan a career for their children in the armed forces. Having spent a fortune on training their children as professionals in aviation, media and IT-sectors, they are now waiting for a job. "The joining letters are not just coming," said one-such officer parent now planning a career for his son in the armed forces. May sound mischievous but nonetheless the meltdown has been to the benefit of the armed forces and it must do its best to reap a rich harvest.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/162826/Global-...o-march-on.html

03-19-2009, 09:28 PM

I am proud of the army of my country and the navy too.The decent terrorist attacks that hit Mumbai very badly it was the army and military forces that saved us from the clutches of the terrorists even though we lost many lives.I think they are doing a fabulous job...what are you talking about?

~~Pandyan~~ · 03-20-2009, 11:58 PM

QUOTE(suraksha @ Mar 19 2009, 11:58 AM)I am proud of the army of my country and the navy too.The decent terrorist attacks that hit Mumbai very badly it was the army and military forces that saved us from the clutches of the terrorists even though we lost many lives.I think they are doing a fabulous job...what are you talking about?
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What is "who" talking about? It takes a giant leap of faith to believe Indian armed forces or police dealt with Mumbai terrorists effectively. Only thing Indian Army is good for is killing Hindus. Only thing Indian police is good for is growing pakora bellies, corruption, and hounding Hindus.

Capt M Kumar · 04-15-2009, 02:43 AM

<img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /> The ex-servicemen are likely to vote BJP, which has promised not only one rank, one pay but also income tax exempt pay for servicemen. Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, who gave India under a Congress Government its first military victory in 1,000 years, was not conferred a Bharat Ratna. A country that does not care for the izzat and iqbal (respect and welfare) of the armed forces is harming their apolitical, secular and disciplined disposition.

In the military mind and public perception the BJP stands for making India militarily strong though the bigger challenge for a future Government is political will to employ usable military forces to deter and punish cross-border terrorism. National security, especially internal security must be depoliticised and governed by a national political consensus. Defence planning and strategic security culture must be taught to those who represent the people in Parliament. As the political class of India and the people remember its soldiers only during Kargil, Mumbai and tsunami, soldiers and ex-servicemen must vote for their rights.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/169643/Soldier...for-rights.html

ravish · 05-27-2009, 01:55 PM

The first of the three Phalcon AWAC aircraft from Israel arrived art IAF station at Jamnagar earlier this week. It will be a quantum jump and force multiplier as far as our operational ca[pability is concerned

Capt M Kumar · 06-24-2009, 04:28 AM

# Appoint a CDS;
http://www.dailypioneer.com/184865/Being-b...ood-enough.html <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' />
# Provide political and fiscal guidelines;

# Insulate procurement from kickbacks;

# Ensure full utilisation of funds ; and,

# Hold detractors of modernisation accountable

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-03-2009, 06:15 PM by Husky.)

Why minority quota (christos=islamics) in the defence forces ain't such a good idea:

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...890&SKIN=B
QUOTEArmy deserter who joined LeT shot dead
01/07/2009 14:38:10Â Mohit Kandhari | Jammu- Daily Pioneer

Mohit Kandhari | Jammu

An Army deserter identified as Zafarullah Khan Parray, who had reportedly joined ranks of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba, was killed by a joint team of security forces along with two other militants in a fierce gunfight in remote Kulhand area of Doda district on Wednesday.

However, the faces of the three slain militants were defaced beyond recognition during the intense gunfight. Local villagers identified one of them as Zaffarullah Khan Parray before claiming his body from the police, SSP Doda Prabhat Singh confirmed.

After completing the formalities, we handed over his body to the local villagers who claimed it, he further added. The two others had been identified as Abu Mohd Zulfi and Javed Mir, official sources said.

Zaffarullah, son of Ghulam Hassan Khan, resident of Beli Udrana, had deserted the Army camp of 8 Rashtriya rifles at Arnora on March 8 this year along with one Insas weapon and two AK rifles. The police and Army had launched massive man hunt to track him down but failed to do so.

Before deserting the Army, Zaffarullah had worked with the Territorial Army for as many as four years and no complaint was registered against his name.Hey, that's what them christian soldiers did in the Roman army as well.
It's so hard to tell the two True Religions apart.
"I'm the True Religion!"
"No, I am!"
See, they even *sound* the same.

07-06-2009, 09:17 PM

QUOTETroops in Siachen issued torn clothing: CAG
25 Oct 2008, 1617 hrs IST, IANS
NEW DELHI: Troops posted at the Siachen Glacier, once known as the world's highest and coldest battlefield where the weather claims more lives than combat, have been issued "partly torn" and recycled special clothing for the winters due to its untimely procurement, a Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) report has revealed. 

"Army Head Quarters failed to ensure timely procurement of Special Clothing and Mountaineering items used in operational areas like Siachen resulting in stock out levels of these critical items being as high as 44 to 70%," said the CAG report, which was released Friday.

The troops posted at the glacier brave low temperatures like minus 40 degrees Celsius at altitudes up to 23,000 feet.

"To meet shortage of these items, army resorted to the unauthorised practice of issuing partly worn stores (PWS) to the troops in the glacier region. Such practice of recycling of special clothing items is not desirable on grounds of hygiene, operational suitability and overall morale of the troops," the report says.

The Indian Army deploys about 19,800 soldiers in the frigid Siachen Glacier area, which overlooks Pakistan and China.

The depots meant for stocking and distribution and to ensure ready availability of the right material at the right place and at the right time to the troops are suffering from persistent shortages.

"Thirty per cent of the user demands remained unmet, troops in the glacier region had to manage with old worn out clothing and there was high level of dissatisfaction amongst the troops about the quality of clothing supplied," said the report.

A user survey conducted by the CAG revealed that 50% of divisions or regiments were not satisfied with the quality and fitting of the clothing supplied.

The major dissatisfaction of the users was related to mismatch between trousers and shirts and their inappropriate sizes, poor quality of clothing with problem of quick colour fading, low usage life of boots against prescribed shelf life and lack of water proofing in caps.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/F...how/3640597.cms

They can provide clothes to troops only after they will provide clothes to Gandhi family and her dogs and corrupt babu's wives and legal and other kids.
Now we know how Congress ministers are making Millions on MP salary.

07-06-2009, 09:19 PM

QUOTEUS armtwists Israeli firm on IAF deal: Report
6 Jul 2009, 0331 hrs IST, TNN
NEW DELHI: Jostling seems to have begun among contenders for the `mother of all defence deals' -- the Rs 42,000 crore project to acquire 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) for IAF -- with field trials slated to begin in July-August.

Israeli newspaper Jerusalem Post reported that US has pressurised Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) to back out of partnership with Swedish aerospace company Saab, which is fielding its Gripen fighter for the MMRCA contract.

The Israeli defence ministry ordered IAI to pull out of the deal with Saab after Pentagon expressed concern that US technology would be integrated into the Gripen offered to India. "The stated concern was that western technology in Israeli hands would make its way to the Indians," an Israeli official told the newspaper.

But what was found "strange" with the US request was that American aviation majors Boeing and Lockheed Martin are themselves in the fray for the lucrative MMRCA deal. 

Israeli officials said US had probably intervened because if IAI competed for the deal with Saab, it would force Boeing and Lockheed Martin to lower their prices.

Incidentally, Gripen is considered to be one of the cheapest among the six contenders, which include the American F/A-18 `Super Hornet' (Boeing) and F-16 `Falcon' (Lockheed Martin), French Rafale (Dassault), Russian MiG-35 (United Aircraft Corporation) and Eurofighter Typhoon (consortium of British, German, Spanish and Italian companies).

All the contenders have already mounted high-voltage campaigns in the hotly-contested race, worth around $10.4 billion, in which India is sure to factor in its geo-political considerations as well, as reported by TOI earlier.

The six fighters are to be put through the paces in two sets of field trials conducted in summer and winter, ranging from the snow-capped peaks of Leh, scorching Rajasthan desert (Jaisalmer) and humid conditions of south India (Bangalore).

Moreover, the fighters will also be evaluated in the countries of their origin. So, in effect, the trial results will be out only by mid-2010 at the earliest.

The commercial bids will only be opened, examined and compared after a shortlist is made of the top two or three contenders following the extensive field trials and staff evaluation.

With the final negotiations to begin thereafter, the entire process is expected to take a minimum of two years before the deal is actually inked. While 18 jets will be bought off-the-shelf, the rest will be manufactured in India under transfer of technology.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...4,prtpage-1.cms

G.Subramaniam · (This post was last modified: 07-10-2009, 07:59 AM by G.Subramaniam.)

The best aircraft for India for MCRA is the gripen-NG

1. can have upto 4 extra fuel tanks
2. Can be air-refuelled
3. The radar is tiltable and has better angle of coverage
4. Has defeated F-22 in air contests
5. Has a small radar signature and can defeat Sukhoi-30 used by China
6. Uses same engine as LCA
7. Is good at air-air and air-ground unlike others which are air-air specialists only
8. Has defeated S-300 ( used by China ) in air contests
9. India has 400 airports and expect them all to be hit by China Second Artillery Corp,
The Gripen does not need Airport
It can take off and land from 400m of road, anywhere
This means the Gripen can be spread out and hidden and take off from anywhere anytime
10. The gripen once it lands just needs a fuel tanker and 5 man crew in maintenance truck to get back on air in 10 minutes
Competitors, need airport infrastructure, 25 man crew, and takes 45 minutes to get back on air
11. Cost is about $35 mil only, very cheap
12. Technology transfer and joint venture with Tata
13. Due to low cost, low maintenance crew and facility, and ability to take off from roads and good ground attack, India can buy a 1000 Gripens
and give several hundred to Army, BSF etc for local air support ( like the US marines have the vertical take off aircraft for local air support )
14. Most fuel efficient
15. Has range of 4000km with just internal fuel tank, can hit south china from Andamans
16. Since it is a smaller company, it can perhaps be bought by Indian businessman, thereby giving full technology, or perhaps a 20% stake can be bought

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