DMK's and AP Target - Hindu Temples

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-29-2009, 02:33 PM by Husky.)

Kerala.

1. http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=8442&SKIN=K
QUOTEHindu 26/03/2009 01:35:13 The truth behind Varun
I request Haindavakeralam readers to use RTI Act 2005 to obtain details of land transactions taking place in their area so that Land Mafia can be exposed.Members of the monirities are purchasing land everywhere in bulk quantity. This is a silent revolution in favour of them. Hindu land holdings are diminishing day bt day. Hindus are selling! Minorities are purchasing ! They are reselling the same in pieces at exhorbitant prices to the needy begging Hindus on terms and conditions.I find that land mafia is very active in my village (CPM fortress) and the land adjacent to temple has been taken over by minorities.In a nearby village,the temple renovation committee was forced to purchase temple land by paying Rs. 6 lakh to the converted Avasha Christain.Actually this land belongs to temple and there is no need of purchasing.It was encroached by a Missionary and distributed to converted christains. There existed a temple and the old foundation is still there.
Such things can happen only in Kerala. Long live secularism!
No one is born as Varun. But the ground realities in Kerala makes Varuns.

2. http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.as...=17&SKIN=A
Interview with Kummanam Rajasekharan -Part I

Full version's a must read.

Excerpts:
QUOTEWhy are temples like Sabarimala being targeted?

You should understand that temples like Sabarimala and Guruvayoor are symbols of Hindu Unity.Â Crores of pilgrims converge in these temples every year. It is something that anti Hindu forces cannot tolerate. With the help of a State Government on which they have full control, the anti Hindu lobby is today targeting our temples in a systematic way.

Take the case of Sabarimala. About 2500 acres of Cheruvally estate in Erumeli, just outside Poonkavanam has been bought by K P Yohannan group. Negotiations are going on to grab Laha estate. It is also heard that share mobilization is going on outside the state for Sabarimala development project.

On the other hand, the Government is going all out to help these forces on one side and milk Sabarimala pilgrims on the other.

How isÂ that the Govt. is responsible for all this?
[...]
Behaving as 'secularly' as the christian British.

QUOTEConversion is another danger faced by Hindus in Kerala. Is it rampant as it is made out to be?

Oh yes. It is much more serious than we know. Christian sects have drawn up elaborate plans for total evangelization of Hindus in Kerala. While Churches like the Pentecost are aggressively and directly trying to convert Hindus, other sections like the Catholics and Orthodox are bit indirect and concentrate more social and humanitarian services. But the motive is same. Christian churches and groups have 29,000 missionaries in the State including the clergy. For Muslims, the figure is around 19,000. Both target the Hindus, and both have lavish external funds to support them.

As a result, the Hindu population is shrinking day by day. Moreover, Hindus are losing grip over all spheres of social life. Just see the figures.
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The message is clear. While Hindus form 56.5% of the total population the society is today controlled by so called minorities. That is not all. Take the case of the education sector. Because of the onslaught Christian, Muslim managements, especially in the field of professional education, Hindu students have no future here. Only 5% of the educational institutions belong to Hindus. Just see the proportions.
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With the new self-financing colleges coming up, medical and engineering courses have almost become out of reach for Hindus. Once the Supreme Court judgment is implemented, the 14,000 seats created in these colleges will be totally under the control of Christian, Muslim managements. (50% seats are already with them). The result of this phenomenon will be felt after 5 years when the number Hindu professionals will start plummeting.
(Just like the christian british destroyed the Hindu education system. And just as 'secular'.
When Hindus were running the schools: everyone got educated, including undeserving islamania.
When christoislamania is running schools: Hindus are excluded.
Christoislamic 'tolerance' is the same in all spheres of life, even education. Christianism implements dhimmitude just like islamism, it was merely careful not to have a word for this which others could point to.)

Moreover, Christian and Muslim managements are also using the educational institutions for religious propaganda. By organizing mass religious prayers and through personal contacts, they brainwash Hindu students.

In addition to using their social clout, the Christians are also trying out new methods to target Hindu population. Divine centers set up by Catholics and other sects were originally meant to arrest the flow to Pentecost from established Churches. But now these divine centers, especially in places like Muringoor and Potta, have become conversion centers. Another latest phenomenon is Tuesday churches and Friday churches coming up across the state. These churches are just meant to target Hindus. The Christian missionaries have even employed canvassing agents in rural and remote areas to attract Hindus to these Churches and divine centers with all sorts of promises.

What about Muslim threat? They are not known to employ these kinds of tactics?
That is true. While Christian missionaries play all tricks of the trade, albeit indirectly, Muslims are blunt and direct .In the recent past, Islamic fundamentalists forces have become more organized and powerful in the state than ever before. Their influence in both the LDF and UDF in growing day by day. Many of their places of worship have become dumping ground for weapons. They prefer physical confrontation and indulge in any tactics ranging from threatening to use of weapons to target Hindus. Such Muslim organizations in the state have national and international terrorist connections.

There are 85 cases registered over different incidents connected with these groups. But no one has been convicted so far. And there is no end to violence. The latest incidents are the brutal killings of Payyambalam Manikandan, Vadanapally Udayan and Kannur Ashwini Kumar. Muslim terrorists are also behind the attack on Tamil Nadu transport bus near Kalamasserry and the bomb blast in a fishing boat in Beypore harbor. The authorities have failed to bring out the conspiracy angle and the interstate, international link between these incidents.Â The fact that LDF/ UDF leaders even did not bother to condemn these incidents shows the extent of authority these groups exercise on our political system.

Â â¦â¦â¦.To be continued

(Interviewed by Ajith Gopal / Nakul Menon)

3. An English Translation of Smt. Sasikala Teacher's Speech

http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx...EID=7945&SKIN=C
QUOTENow in our cities and towns the prime locations are occupied by churches and mosques. Where are those fierce left-wing ideologues that had appropriated Hindu temple lands? Why donât they grab these lands and give them to the landless poor? Or is it that the onerous responsibility of implementing socialism vested only with the Hindus, just like secularism is? Secularism is now the responsibility of the Hindus and not any others. Only Hindus need bear that odious burden.QUOTESeveral hundreds of thousands of acres of forest lands vested with the temples. Those too were grabbed by the government. But could the government protect those lands? Those confiscated temple lands are now occupied by Christians who are clearing the forest lands for ecologically destructive commercial mono-culture cropping.

What is the use of talking about protecting nature so late in the day? Did not the Hindus protect those precious forest lands as part of temple property? But the Marxist government that grabbed temple lands did not protect the forests.

[...]
A vicar was allegedly murdered in Tirutti-parambu village, but the place lying closed is not a church. A temple is shut down. Why? The local church was not closed even for one day, but the temple has its doors locked down. Who do you think is guilty? We, Hindus are guilty. We are guilty of being cowardly. We looked on with indifference and despair. If there were some men among us, men with manliness, would this have happened? If the people had backbone, if the society had strength of character, would its traditional place of worship been closed by any body? Why was the temple closed? Did the Hindu God commit murder? They want to close temples at some pretext or the other. They resent the functioning of temples, these commies and other anti-Hindu secular politicians, because they resent Hindu prosperity. They know that Hindu prosperity is closely intertwined with the healthy functioning of Hindu temples which are economic engines in their own right. The Hindu temples and temple properties belong to the Hindu people. The Hindu temples should take up the burden of alleviating poverty among the devotees. If Guruvayur temple uses its cash collections of one month, it can adopt a village and remove the poverty of its Hindu people. The temple funds are Hinduâs wealth and the Hindus have exclusive rights to it. Secularists and atheists have no business utilising temple funds.About the last bit. 'Secularism' in India is a calculated christian clockwork-operated bomb that's released upon a preplanned trajectory. Despite how it's projected, secularism in India is not an independent mechanism that's ignorant of its effects and crimes ('objective'). It is specifically directed at Hindus.
It's used as a cat's paw so the culprit may remain unnameable. Hence no one calls the 'secular' media or governments for what it is (or even the governance of the christocolonials). In India, christianism commits all its crimes against Hindu Dharma under the name of secularism. ("RamarSethu needs to be broken for <insert some national-sounding hence 'secular' reason>.") It's a method pioneered by the christocolonials from Britain. Works like a charm.

And christianism is the puppeteer in the shadows that's enabling and consolidating islamism in Bharatam (and is similarly giving naxals and other communiterrorists a free hand). Without christianism in power, and with Hindus in charge of anti-terrorism, islamoterrorist clubs would have been nipped in the bud. But christianism is curtailing all law-and-order in Dharmic land and encouraging islamic terrorism to sprout all over. Naturally, eager islamism doesn't miss the opportunity to grow in such congenial soil.

The head is christianism; islamism has a borrowed head for now. And communism really had nowhere to grow anymore until christianism decided to water the dying plant that should by all rights have died. There's still only really one head between them, though given enough time the other two may have grown their own.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-29-2009, 04:50 PM by Husky.)

X-posting Shamu's important post since it is on the topic of calculated destruction of Hindu Temples. (Even though the thread is more specifically about the christoterrorist DMK and AP govts targeting Hindu Temples)

QUOTE(shamu @ Mar 29 2009, 01:45 AM)Burglary reported at Sri Shankara temple

Kalady, Saturday, March 28, 2009: The emerald Shivalinga and some silver utensils for pooja purposes were found stolen from a shrine under Kalady Sri Sringeri Mutt today morning. The theft came to light when today morning theÂ sanctum sanctorum was opened for routine pooja.

According to temple authorities the emerald Shivalinga dates long back, which makes its cost estimation difficult, experts said the idol was gifted by Nepal king to Mysore king and in 1910 the Mysore king gave away the idol to Sringeri Mutt. Police investigations are on to recover the lost items.
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The terrorists who committed the above know very well that it is no ordinary case of looting that they engaged in. There was a comment at HK saying this is an attack on Hindu Dharma. Actually it is a repeat of the declaration of war. Except Hindus are still sleeping or drunk or deaf or paralysed or lame or something. I can't work out what.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...457&SKIN=K
QUOTE28/03/2009 09:05:19 An attack on Hindu religion
If such a theft was taken place in Palayam Mosque or Malayattoor church, what will happen in Kerala. Entire cabinet will reach there for an on the spot study. Our media will sensationalise it for many days!Minority commission will fly from Delhi to Trivandrum.PM will right a letter to Kerala CM.Our government is more concerned with duplicate Hairs in mosques or candle sticks in churches than Shivalinga of Adi Shankara temple. For them Kalady is only a village in revenue records. Long live "India Secularism"!
Kalady symbolises the very foundations of Hinduism.Theft at Kalady temple amounts to attack on Hindu religion.
A Hindu " Madani" is the only answer to change the situation.

Husky · 04-01-2009, 03:14 PM

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...478&SKIN=B
QUOTEThousands Protest Government Takeover of Chidambaram Temple
31/03/2009 12:04:49Â Hindu Press International

CHIDAMBARAM, INDIA, March 29th, 2009: Over 6,000 devotees participated in a protest march and rally on Wednesday, March 25, demanding that the government return the control of Chidambaram Temple to the Dikshitar community, who have managed the temple since time immemorial.

Over six thousand devotees including thousands of women and children belonging to around several Hindu organizations of Tamil Nadu marched on the streets of holy city of Chidambaram, braving the hot weather, carrying placards stating - âLeave The Templeâ. They covered a distance of few kilometers, collectively chanting the mantra âAum Namah Sivayaâ.

Participants included notables Hindu Temple Protection Committee leader Sri Kunchitapatam, retired teacher Sri Chandrakasan, and BJP Tamilnadu State Leader Sri L Ganesan. Siva devotees from all over Tamil Nadu, including thousands of women and children and representing some one dozen Hindu organizations, joined the march.

In an exclusive interview a senior dikshitar Shri N. Srimoolalingam, a senior dikshitar, said, âThere seems to be a deep rooted conspiracy behind the takeover of Chidambaram Temple by the government, as it is one of the strongest pillars of Saivism and this is going to adversely affect the spiritual rituals and practices of this world-renowned Hindu temple.â Visibly distressed, he pointed out that not a single English-language newspaper bothered to cover the event. âThis itself shows how even our media is completely biased and is suppressing the voice and aspirations of dikshitar community who are a microscopic minority.â

Husky · (This post was last modified: 04-12-2009, 01:17 PM by Husky.)

Karnataka:

http://christianaggression.org/item_displa...S&id=1115956027
QUOTETop Karntaka Police Official involved in Christian Conversions
Posted May 12, 2005
15/05/2003 At 12:21
indymedia.org

H.T. Sangliana Director General of Police (Prisons) of Karnataka is directly involved with few Christian Missionaries in Conversions in Rural Areas of Karnataka.
[...]
In another Instance, Sangliana stood and supported the Church people, when they were involved in demolishing of Maa Bhagavathi temple in Devanahalli (Bangalore Rural) and Sri Durgamba Temple in Banaswadi (Bangalore) in 2002. In both the cases the temples were demolished for construction of Churches despite strong protest by various Hindu Organisations other than R.S.S. The Protestors had failed as they had no alternative left because the church members were supported by the Chief Minister himself and two of his cabinet colleagues T.JOHN (Infrastructure Minister) & J.ALEXANDER (Bharthinagar M.L.A) and above all VYALAR RAVI (A.I.C.C KARNATAKA) (All India Christian Council or something), who has close links to Sonia Gandhi. Today 84 Churches have come up in this area in the span of last two years.
Why do Hindus react differently when islamaniacs destroy Hindu temples to when christomaniacs do the same? Why are christians forgiven the same crimes against Hindus (and their christianism excused of any guilt) that, when muslims commit the same are condemned in them as abhorrent and recognised for being islamic? Why does christianism get away with full-scale genocide?

Husky · (This post was last modified: 05-21-2009, 07:15 PM by Husky.)

Not DMK or AP.

Christoislamaniacs. (Whichever subcult, there is no difference. In Kerala christoterrorists had done something very similar to a Hindu Temple and they had committed a whole range of christoterroristic vandalisms on Hindu Moorthies in Goa, so christoterrorists are just as much a suspect as islamaniacs.)

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/6992.html
via comment at http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/rol...-elections.html
QUOTEAncient Shiva Temple destroyed at Pune!
May 19, 2009

Vaishakh Krushna Dashami

That day would be an auspicious day when 'Kshatratej' of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj is awakened among Hindus and they prevent incidents of idol-destruction in Maharashtra!

Incidents of idol-damaging occurred in Goa, now they are happening in Maharashtra and may spread all over country. Will the powerful pro-Hindu Organizations and parties continue to be just silent witnesses to these incidents causing damage to Dharma?Â
Indignant condition of devastated Shiva-temple!
With pictures, like:
<img src='http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/out/images/1242744051_shivmandir-pune04.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/out/images/1242743959_shivmandir-pune02.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/out/images/1242722903_Shiv_450.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Husky · (This post was last modified: 05-22-2009, 12:05 PM by Husky.)

^ Maharashtra, news dated 19th of May.
News of the day before that:

Kerala. Christoterrorists' handiwork.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...707&SKIN=C
QUOTESarppakavvu Vandalised by Pentacost Missionaries
18/05/2009 14:32:39Â HK

Kottarakara: Pallikkal Elappuram Nagaraja Temple (Sarppakavu) was under attack last day by a group of miscreants. Centuries old idols of Nagaraja, Siva and Nagayakshi were destroyed.

The frustration of Pentacost Missionaries who targeted the near by colony for conversion is said to be behind the attack on Temple. The residents of colony are staunch devotees of this sarpakavu- The temple which was a hindrance to their conversion attempts itself have been now destroyed by the cunning Missionaries who exploit the poor and naive.

Police team under C I Pradeep Kumar registered case and started investigation. Hundreds of devotees assembled to protest against this attack on the temple.

And the comments:
QUOTENot ur kind
20/05/2009 07:17:33Â Natural born Looser hindus
ha ha ha ha ha....natural born looser hindus......

Nice Story and Nice fake aggitations.... ha ha ha ha
(Ignore. Just another christian=terrorist.)

Wagamama
19/05/2009 17:36:40Â Bible promotes such heinous acts
HERE IS THE BIBLICAL VERSE WHEREIN CHRIST PROMOTES THE DESTRUCTION OF PAGAN WORSHIP PLACES!!
(Actually, Deuteronomy is OT, if I'm right. But then jeebus=gawd, so yeah, christ IS the one promoting the terrorism)

You must demolish completely all the places where the nations whom you are about to dispossess served their gods, on the mountain heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree. Break down their altars, smash their pillars, burn their sacred poles with fire, and hew down the idols of their gods, and thus blot out their name from their places. You shall not worship the Lord your God in such ways.(Deuteronomy 12:2-4)
(Can be confirmed in any bible. But see for instance Google book.)

vinod
19/05/2009 03:23:08Â adishankara temple theft??
have we also started forgetting that ..no development so far..pity

vinod
19/05/2009 00:35:56Â reaction
RSS or VHP in Kerala cannot react they have no energy. Those who spoiled the naga, shiva idols will pay a huge price for what they have done!

Sanesh
18/05/2009 19:28:41Â BJP and RSS to lead the protest
Being a pro hindu organization, BJP and RSS including the state level leaders should react to this issue. Bring it to nationl level media. stage a protest march at the district head quarters. Include all the people from the colony.

This is what christianism does.

Repeat:
- Korea
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/2.html
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/3.html

Note how the timelines of christian terrorism against Korean Buddhism and its Temples shows the same pattern.

- Greece (and Rome):
http://ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=lovestories

Husky · 06-12-2009, 06:25 PM

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...792&SKIN=K
QUOTEHAV protests Government move to take complete control over Temples
10/06/2009 14:10:27Â

Hindu Aikya Vedi demand
Source:www.expressbuzz.com

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Hindu Aikya Vedi has urged the Government to withdraw from the move to amend the Devaswom Bill. Aikya Vedi state general secretary E.S.Biju said in a statement here on Monday that the Government move was to take over the total control of the temples.

Laws regarding temple administration were formulated as per an agreement between the Travancore Kochi Rajapramukhs and the Government in 1950. By violating this agreement, the Government was trying to encroach upon the freedom of religion , he said.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 06-19-2009, 04:14 PM by Husky.)

Cross-posts

1. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...833&SKIN=C
QUOTEAs India is a Secular Nation, Non Hindus can be employed in Temple - AP Government
18/06/2009 13:42:41Â HK

Hyderabad: The Congress government in AP is pursuing their Anti Hindu agenda and Temple destructive policies and the justification for all these Policies are vested around SECULARISM!
(Can we finally get it right? It is *christianism* pursuing its anti-Hindu agenda.)

In a highly objectionable move AP Endowment Ministry is going ahead with the appointment of Non Hindus in AP temple as staff.Recently Christians were employed at famous Annavaram Temple.

While responding to press Minister for Endowments, Stamps and Registration Gade Venkata Reddy said there should be no objection to employment of non-Hindus in Hindu temples as India was a secular State.

2. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...824&SKIN=C
QUOTEAcharapakkam Hill & Land grabbing by Christian missonaries
17/06/2009 12:07:22Â Hindu Munnani

This video shows part details of land grabbing and money spinning racket by missionaries in acharpakkam town of kanchipuram District.Whole hill and its sorrounding has been illegaly occupied by missionaries ,huge hundi collections form innocent hindus who visit this place is used to convert the hindus.

Also, only way to siva temple atop of the hill has been occupied and blocked by chirsitan missonarries a wide road leading to siva temple is now only a pathway

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAFDyKLz38U

Detailed Report Here

http://haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?P...823&SKIN=CMaybe DMK is not christian? Maybe the moon is green cheese.

Husky · 07-04-2009, 03:43 PM

Whenever people have to wonder "who could have done this" it's a sign that it is christianism. No signature means christian fingerprint:

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...899&SKIN=K
QUOTENo Single day passess without Temple theft in Kerala
03/07/2009 15:39:54Â

Theft in temple

PNS | Thrissur

Eight lakh worth gold ornaments to be adorned on the idol of god was looted from Karimarakkad temple near Vadakancherry on Friday.

The robbery occurred after the hands of the subordinate priest was tied, informed temple authorities.

The doors of all sanctum sanctorum were found broken. The temple comes under the Cochin Devasom Board.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-12-2009, 07:13 PM by Husky.)

Belongs in christoterrorism thread actually.

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...926&SKIN=B
QUOTEChidambaram Natarajar Devotees Arrested - Yet another bolt for Hindus Right to Worship
09/07/2009 05:17:57Â HARAN.B.R

The HR & CE Department of the Tamil Nadu government had placed three more hundis inside the Chidambaram Natarajar Temple today. When members of the Temple Protection Committee objected to the placement of the hundis and protested against it, the police arrested forty activists. The activists have started a hunger protest in captivity.Â
(HRCE is the christoDMK branch appointed for oppressing Hindu Temples and Hindus)

It may be recalled that the government illegally usurped the control of the temple last year from the Dikshidars, who have been administering the temple for ages. The government also âmanagedâ to win the case in the Madras High Court, but the Dikshidars have appealed against the single judgeâs order. Later on when Dr.Subramanian Swamy approached the HC to implead himself in the case, an unruly section of (CHRISTIAN) Lawyers physically assaulted him and the matter snowballed into a major issue between the legal fraternity and the state police. Since then, the government is using its might to thwart the Dikshidarâs attempt to legally fight the case, by manipulating the court procedures. The case has not been taken up for hearing since the day Dr.Swamy was attacked. Though the issue is subjudice, the HR & CE department is going ahead with many changes in the administration in the name of progressive measures.
(That's how christianism works: Keeping things unresolved while pillaging and assaulting the heathen native religion in the meantime.)

The leaders of our Hindu organizations have been informed and they are making necessary arrangements in support of the activists. The activists are likely to continue their fasting in captivity.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-29-2009, 06:25 PM by Husky.)

On Saraswati Pooja in school in a place in Kerala stolen from the Hindus by the christoislamaniacs (reminiscent of West-Bengal):
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...015&SKIN=B
QUOTESarswathy Pooja Vandalism - Malayalam Blog Post
26/07/2009 11:50:34Â

A Blog post in Malayalam on the recent Saraswathy Pooja Vandalism in MG College Thiruvananthapuram.

http://santhuviews.blogspot.com/2009/07/...st_26.html 
While at the same time, Indian christians are trying to steal the Gayatri Mantra to make it theirs
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...009&SKIN=D, same as they have done by stealing from the Hindu Vedas and Upanishads and putting them in the New Covenant called "Indian Babble".

= christianism's Replacement Theology in action.

Rather like how the christians stole GrecoRoman festivals and rituals and religious verses (see below) all while destroying GrecoRoman temples ("Demolish Them!") and outlawing the GrecoRoman religion (Codes of christoemperors like Theodosius).

http://freetruth.50webs.org/B1a.htm
QUOTETemples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin
Â Â -- The Development of the Christian Religion, by Cardinal Newman

Â Â "And thou hast saved us by shedding the eternal blood."
Â Â -- From the wall of a Mithraic temple in Rome
Â Â Link

Â Â Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken. For every street, every marketplace is full of Zeus. Even the sea and the harbor are full of this deity. Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus, For we are indeed his offspring.
Â Â -- Phenomena 1-5, by the Stoic poet Aratus (c 310 - 240 BC)

Â Â In Him [Yahweh/Jesus] we live and move and have our being; as even some of your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'
Â Â -- Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles, Acts 17.28
(christians stealing the praise of Zeus for jeebusism)

LinkAnd it was not only the GrecoRomans who became victims of the christian steal-and-kill method:
QUOTEOsiris was a God in the ancient pre-Christian Egyptian religion. The 23rd Psalm in the Bible plagiarized an Egyptian scriptural prayer.

Â # Many sayings associated with Osiris were taken over into the Bible. This included: 23rd Psalm: an appeal to Osiris as the good Shepherd to lead believers through the valley of the shadow of death and to green pastures and still waters

# Lord's Prayer: "O Amen, who art in heaven..." (~ close enough to the start of the Pater Noster/Our Father: "Our father who art in heaven")

Husky · (This post was last modified: 08-20-2009, 08:24 PM by Husky.)

This is CHRISTIANISM. (This too happened in Rome.)
Compare the old and new prices for Temple rites in the table at the link:

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...073&SKIN=K
QUOTEInhumane Discrimination against Ayyappa Devotees
17/08/2009 19:06:49Â HK

Husky · (This post was last modified: 09-24-2009, 09:15 PM by Husky.)

christoislamism (pick one).

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...232&SKIN=K
QUOTEYet another Temple theft
23/09/2009 15:24:10Â

Kottayam, : Unidentified men broke into a temple in Kottayam and decamped with crores worth idol, silver utensils and salagramam police said here today.The incident took place at Kurukachal temple in Kottayam.With comment

Husky · (This post was last modified: 11-15-2009, 07:44 AM by Husky.)

1. ^ And similar christoislamic terror strikes:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...397&SKIN=K
QUOTEHanuman Moorthy Theft - Jihadi Thieves under arrest
14/10/2009 14:29:31Â HK

Ponnani: Police arrested Alikutty and Shaji in connection with the theft of 100 year old Hanuman vigraha from a Mana (House of a Nampoothiri)here in Nilambur.Alikutty and Naser who is specialised in temple robbery and counterfiet currency supply sold the Vigraha to Shaji.Police team under Mongam SI Sudarsan arrested the thieves."Behead the faithful infidels!"
Sorry. For a moment there I got confused and thought I was a muslim.
"Stone them to death!"
Tsss. Got confused again - I was thinking christian.
"Give them a padmabhushan! (And Vande Mataram is secularly figurative onlee.)"
There. That's better. Am back to being a secular modern Indian nationalist. Unity at all costs.

2. Anyway, returning to the 'secular' miracle of communist rule that implements the christian anti-pagan agenda so to the letter that it's really impossible to tell they are supposed to be (presented as) a separate religion:
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...465&SKIN=C
QUOTESabarimala Loot Begins
25/10/2009 13:02:01Â HK

ADDED:
3. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...605&SKIN=B
QUOTETamil Nationalist's new found love- Urdu
11/11/2009 14:28:07Â HK

Chennai: Hatred towards Hindi propagated by the proponents of Tamil Nationalism had created several controversies earlier and even now there is no policy shift in their hatred towards Hindi.

But now it seems the DMK is ready to dilute their policy inorder to appease the Muslims in the state. As per new directions Students who get good marks in Urdu will also be acknowledged along with those who gain good marks in Tamil in 10th Public Examination.
There is no recognition to the Students who gain good marks in Sanskrit , Hindi or any other regional language

The closeness of Urdu with Hindi is not a matter of concern , what it matters is the vote bank. Political parties who compete themselves in wooing the minorities can go to any extend and donât be get surprised if these turncoats makes Arabic the official language.Yet another miracle of that christian religion of miracles called Secularism in public, which promotes only the anti-Hindus in the short term (to de-hinduise the nation and reduce Hindus' rights and power, same as christobrits did) for long-term gains later. Sachar committee, Sonia's sockpuppet MMS declaring that muslims must have first claim on resources and his lectures to Australia not to accuse an Indian islamist of islamic terrorism, Susanna 'Arundhati' Roy and others protecting Mohammed Afzal, "Tamil-onlee" DMK having a sudden miraculous change of heart and promoting Urdu, communists and congress granting Hindu ashrams in Kerala and Assam to islamics, ...

Husky · (This post was last modified: 01-27-2010, 05:00 PM by Husky.)

This is very much christianism by the way. People who can't tell, are people who don't know history. It's to christianism's advantage that Hindus don't know to recognise this is blatant christianism.

It was depressing enough to read the ancient Hellenes' writings about how they cried to lose their temples - grown men, some old, some young; even the greatest heroes among them. But that was ancient Greece and Rome.

This and Ramarsethu hit so close to home it's heart breaking.

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http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/12/w...emple.html

Quote:what's happening in chidambaram temple - a report by Hinduism today

dec 9th, 2009

[color="#0000FF"]crypto-christist[/color] DMK taking over a hindu temple -- in fact, one of the greatest hindu temples in the country -- is perfectly okay, but some swiss law about minarets is an ''outrage" according to the ELM

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Quote:Monday, September 28, 2009

What is happening in Chidambaram temple Ã¢â¬â a report by Hinduism Today.

From

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/sma...temid=5030

[color="#FF0000"]A Priestly Clan Under Siege[/color]

The legendary Dikshitars face a government takeover of Chidambaram Temple, but their profuse trials extend far in time and complexity

By [color="#FF0000"]Rajiv Malik[/color], New Delhi

It should be an honor second to none. In the heart of many a devout Saivite, there is a dream that arises when one sees Lord Nataraja at the most holy Chidambaram temple. It beckons to let go of all else, to devote life to Him alone. There are a few men born with this opportunity, the dikshitar priests whose lives revolve entirely around His service in His foremost citadel. Earning birth into such hereditary priesthood is regarded as a glorious fulfillment of many lives of bhakti and purification, and so it was centuries ago when the maharajas ruled strong, their empires centered around temples rather than palaces. In those days, a vibrant host of 3,000 priests served at Chidambaram.

These days, the dikshitars, reduced to little more than 300, find themselves as characters in a very different story. Though the massive stones of Lord Siva's temple still hold firmly in place, the walled chambers now witness a depopulated and impoverished priesthood, struggling to perform their work and, in some cases, even to survive. The decline of the dikshitars started centuries ago but has intensified in the last fifty years. [color="#FF0000"]The latest and most severe blow was a hostile takeover by the Tamil Nadu government on February 2, 2009[/color], which has sparked outrage, public protests and a cloud of uncertainty, all meeting nothing more than an odd silence from the Indian media.

To shed light on the controversy, Hinduism Today correspondent Rajiv Malik traveled to Chidambaram in March 2009, where intense days awaited. News of his arrival--as the representative of an international publication--spread like wildfire in the town of 60,000 people whose life is deeply tied to the temple. His small hotel room became a press center, with an incessant flux of priests, devotees and leaders of local communities lining up to be interviewed. They all longed to be given a voice, offering well-informed opinions, stories, legends and mystical insights. In this emotionally charged atmosphere, Rajiv Malik was even advised against wandering alone in the evenings.

The Tamil Language Conundrum

The dikshitar's latest woes were brought about by one incident, a catalyst of things long in the making. In 2008, the oduvar Arumugaswami--a singer of sacred Tamil songs called devarams--accused the dikshitars of not allowing him to sing to Lord Nataraja. The story brought extensive negative publicity to the priests. Stripped of most details, the news reached the Indian media portraying the dikshitars as arrogant Sanskritists, contemptuous of the Tamil language and callous toward the people's needs. The case was taken to the government and then to the local courts, causing a commotion of proportions unseen in Chidambaram's recent history.

"This is a fabricated story," decries [color="#FF0000"]B. Kadhiresan, a lecturer of English at nearby Annamalai University and a member of the Organization for the Protection of Hindu Temples[/color]. "This is the main temple that historically promoted the Tamil language and also the singing of devarams. The songs, scribed on palm leaves, were hidden here in hostile times. [color="#2E8B57"]When the Cholas took over, the dikshitars handed them the devarams, and the kings made them public."[/color]

Why, then, did antagonism arise between the dikshitars and Arumugaswami? Kadhiresan says that it was not a matter of linguistics. "This gentleman wanted to be in the holy chit sabha, the chamber of Lord Nataraja, and sing during the puja. [color="#FF0000"]But for mystical and traditional reasons, no one is ever allowed in the sabha during puja except for the dikshitar who is the pujari on that particular day, not even other dikshitars! But Arumugaswami tried to bully his way to the sabha."[/color]

The tensions and interests involved more than it is apparent to the average devotee, as it draws on ideological and political factions. In much of South India, there is a strong movement to install Tamil as the language of worship in temples in Tamil Nadu, decrying Sanskrit as outdated and elitist. The supporters of this theory, often Marxists and members of the government, see temples as social institutions, places created to serve the people who gather to practice their beliefs.

[color="#0000FF"]The other side of the language debate sees temples as places of power built to invoke the blessings of the Gods, sanctuaries for mystical communion using techniques and precise Sanskrit mantras revealed by the ancient rishis. Abandoning the liturgy of the worship, in their opinion, would cause its potency to wane and the temple itself to fade into a soulless edifice of stone.[/color]

It is not a genteel debate, and arguments can be inflammatory. [color="#FF0000"]Dr. Thiagarajan Rajagopalam, former head of the Sanskrit department[/color] at Presidency College in Chennai and a renowned singer, asks, "The Tamil Nadu government claims to be an atheist government. What right does it have to interfere with matters of worship?"

Discredited and Vulnerable

The incident with the oduvar at Chidambaram provided ample ammunition for the interventionist camp. [color="#FF0000"]The dikshitars, a reclusive community with no media savvy, were easy prey to the campaign of disinformation that followed.[/color] Rumors abound, a popular one being that the dikshitars wanted to forbid spoken Tamil even in conversations inside the temple complex. TV stations as far as Malaysia showed the dikshitars as a clique of decadent, money-grabbing priests who ran an unkempt temple with filthy walls and unfriendly services. With a sweeping media spin against them, the dikshitars, few of whom speak English, did not stand a chance.

The oduvar, backed by a mandate from the state court, was finally allowed to sing just as he wished, while the dikshitars just stopped the puja and waited before they would proceed. One hot-tempered young dikshitar did not take this well. Far from the eyes of the crowd, he gave Arumugaswami a beating--providing more fuel for the fires of criticism. Dr. Ananda Nataraja, a dikshitar who currently works as a professor of Tamil language at Annamalai University, observes, "That was the mistake of one particular dikshitar. The community tried to protect him, which I think was wrong. The governing body of the dikshitars, however, publicly criticized his actions."

Cries of mismanagement escalated. The temple itself, in its state of relative decay, was pointed to by critics as evidence of poor management. The Hinduism Today team also took notice of the dirty pillars and stained stones. They stand as a paradox, a contrasting background to the priests who, undeniably, have a strong affection for the temple.

[color="#FF0000"]A new rumor took flight, its source unknown, about how jewels from Lord Nataraja Himself had been missing, stolen or lost by the priests. Though government officials mentioned this freely in conversations, none would make a formal charge. [/color]Still, the cascade of accusations and slander further eroded the standing of the beleaguered priesthood.

[size="5"][color="#0000FF"]A Long-Planned Takeover[/color][/size]

The Tamil Nadu government's decades-long interest in Chidambaram Temple is notorious. In India, administration of temples follows state law, not federal law. Tamil Nadu has an estimated 38,000 Hindu temples, with all but the smallest ones run by the government--and Chidambaram was the last big one outside the system.

Back in July, 1983, Hinduism Today reported, "The Tamil Nadu State Department of Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Commission has unveiled a plan, long anticipated by observers of the political scene, to assume the administration of the Chidambaram Nataraja temple." In 1987 the post of executive officer for Chidambaram was created but not implemented. Until now, the judiciary had dismissed all attempts to seize control.

Finally, emboldened by current circumstances, on February 2, 2009 the Tamil Nadu government appointed an Executive Officer with ample powers to oversee the temple in all aspects. On that same evening, the officer arrived at Chidambaram.

[color="#9932CC"](Christianism always waits until the time is right and retries. And retries. And retries until it succeeds.)[/color]

Protesting in the Streets

The dikshitars immediately appealed the takeover, but the Chennai high court judge, Ms. Banumathi, upheld the decision. Popular outcry quickly followed.

On March 25, over 6,000 devotees joined a protest march and rally, demanding a reversal of the takeover. Braving the hot weather, a crowd of men, women and children chanted slogans and carried signs demanding, "Leave the temple!" Many waved flags representing Hinduism, with kolams or Nandi, Siva's mount, and often the whole crowd chanted a reverberating "Aum Namasivaya" that resonated along the streets of the small temple-town.

Leaders of the community, who co-organized the event, marched representing their groups, including Sri Kunchitapatam, leader of the Tamil Nadu Hindu Temple Protection Committee, and the BJP's state leader Sri L. Ganesan. Though most participants of the peaceful demonstration came from Tamil Nadu, Siva devotees from all over the world could be seen marching the streets.

Inexplicably, the Hinduism Today news crew found no other reporters present to record the people's opinion, just as with the oduvar incident earlier. Distressed, senior dikshitar Sri N. Srimulalingam lamented, [color="#0000FF"][size="5"]"Not a single English-language newspaper bothered to cover the event. This shows how our media is completely biased and is suppressing the voice and aspirations of dikshitar community."[/size][/color] His concerns echoed the insecurity that prevailed among the priests. [color="#FF0000"][size="5"]"There seems to be a deep-rooted conspiracy behind the takeover of Chidambaram Temple. It is one of the strongest pillars of Saivism, and this is going to adversely affect the spiritual rituals and practices."[/size][/color]

The march lifted the spirits of those against the takeover, but so far it seems to have had little real effect. [size="6"]Judge Banumathi said she saw no grounds to review her ruling of the case. As far as state law goes, the takeover is now irreversible.[/size]

Dr. S.P. Sabharatnam is a world expert in Saiva Agamas, the scriptures that define Saivite worship and its mysticism. He told Hinduism Today, "The dikshitars are a venerable tradition, with the same standing as the Adi Saivas. They are pro-Tamil, though they have been accused otherwise. The take-over of the temple is illegal, unethical and finds no support in holy scripture."

Living for Lord Nataraja

In between a frenetic schedule of meetings, Rajiv found some time to visit the temple as a pilgrim, experiencing it firsthand. He talked to other pilgrims and to a few dikshitars there, who, comfortable in their element, had much to say.

The dikshitars are a temple priesthood like no other in modern India. They bring a sense of timelessness to their work, their tradition and the management of the temple. Little or nothing has changed in their ways in the last centuries, even as much of their world has eroded away. Many pilgrims express the opinion that their most distinguished trait is their degree of devotion. They consider themselves to be the slaves, the keepers, the foremost devotees of Lord Nataraja.

For them, Chidambaram is the center of Lord Siva's universe. [color="#9932CC"](It IS.)[/color] [color="#FF0000"]During the daily puja, they believe, a pulse is sent to the far reaches of Earth, the life current without which the cosmos would cease to exist.[/color]

To a devout Hindu with an open heart, the sublime shakti of Chidambaram Temple is magnificent. The temple halls are hallowed by numerous saints who worshiped here over the centuries; a divine presence is felt everywhere.

Dikshitars perform their pujas in groups of four to six priests. Only one is the main pujari for the day, assigned on a rotating schedule that takes about a year to bring another opportunity. The task is approached with reverent anticipation. In the course of a day, dikshitars perform all tasks, big and small--from exquisite chanting of the Vedas, using a liturgy that is exclusive to Chidambaram, to lighting lamps, carrying offerings and guarding the temple at night. They know of no other life.

Also present are many priests who approach guests, offering services, sometimes with the energetic insistence of an aggressive salesman, sometimes with the noble composure of a seasoned dikshitar. The outstretched hands are unsettling, creating an air of commerce that is not welcomed by most pilgrims and diminishes their regard for the priests. U. Usha, a housewife, complained, "Dikshitars are a little money-minded. They need to change their attitude."

[color="#FF0000"]In the traditional system, the relationship between the devotee and the dikshitar is personal, and payment for services is direct. There is little pooled income and the priests must find their own sponsors for the pujas. They are forced to spend much of their time looking for donors, which, according to many priests, is an unfortunate necessity contrary to their heritage.[/color]

"My aim in life is to serve Lord Nataraja. He is always giving life and energy. We crave His blessings only," says Ramu Dikshitar, 52. Ramu's bright smile gives way to an expression of anguish when he talks about the dikshitar's financial situation, lightening up again only when he speaks of Lord Nataraja.

Ramu and his family, six in all, live in a single, small, dilapidated room (see photo on page 28). Resting on the room's only furniture, a swing-like board held by chains, with his two sons who are apprentices of the priestly craft, Ramu [color="#0000FF"]wept[/color] while he spoke. "Our whole aim is to serve Lord Nataraja and his devotees. We have never demanded any money from the government. [color="#FF0000"]We want to do our pujas with freedom. We are facing a very critical situation today. The Hindu community should come forward. We are not thieves or robbers. We are in the service of Lord Nataraja. Please help us."[/color]

[color="#FF0000"]A typical dikshitar makes between Rs. 1,000 and 2,000 a month[/color]--or US$42 at most to support his entire family. [color="#FF0000"]The temple's donations in the form of food and rice grain are shared by all. The rice comes from lands that belong to the temple, but only a handful of farmers actually pay their dues. Even when they do pay, they do so with inferior grains. "I do not think many of the people who criticize the dikshitars as exploiters would be able to eat the rice which they consume every day," observes S. Rajasekaran, a leading local businessman. "If you see it, you don't feel like eating it at all."[/color]

There is hope in the hearts of a few that the takeover might improve the economic situation of the priesthood. In most temples run by the government, priests have a fixed salary. But each temple follows a different arrangement, and for Chidambaram this is not in the plan so far. The government's investments are limited to improving the grounds, and a new official hundi (donation box) is thought to be diverting to the state donations that would normally go to the priests, making the situation worse for them.

The Dikshitars' History

The dikshitars' predicament is sad but also puzzling. This is, after all, a legendary temple, with an original staff of 3,000 priests--among whom, it is said, was Lord Siva Himself. It was in this grove of tillai trees that saints [color="#FF0000"]Vyagrapada and Patanjali worshiped the Lingam[/color] and witnessed Siva's unsullied ananda tandava, the cosmic dance of bliss. Mr. V. Sundaram, a former officer of the Indian Administrative Service and a journalist, shed some light on the history of the dikshitars and the reasons behind their hardships.

According to him, in ancient times, each reigning maharaja successively added to the wealth and glory of his kingdom's temples, which were the epicenters of their empires. Temples were where the kingdom's populace worshiped, but also socialized, conducted business and met with government officials. Temples were unmediated courts of law, where truthful contract agreements could be made, because in front of the Deities few would dare to lie.

In those times, the priesthoods of major temples were partially sponsored by the raja's government, while retaining a high degree of independence. No temple would deny the monarch's personal requests or affront temporal power, but tradition itself--the system of jatis, or occupational clans--created a separation between the government and the clergy. A temple's administration stayed in the hands of its priests.

[color="#FF0000"]Mr. V. Sundaram[/color] explains that Lord Siva Nataraja of Chidambaram was given lands and properties that would serve as an endowment to the temple, a source of steady income designed to last forever. Sometimes, gifts were given to the dikshitars as a group. Copper plates found by the Archeological Survey of India record a gift from King Rajendra Chola to the dikshitars in 1120 ce, a whole village awarded in recognition of their devotion. By the early 1800s, the temple owned 5,500 acres. Because the priests are not allowed to work in agriculture themselves, peasant families grew crops on Nataraja's lands, paying part of their harvest as rent. The system provided bountiful offerings and tranquility to the priests.

When the maharajas fell, the British East India Company initially upheld the existing system. They were inclined to respect the private property records of the late empires, including the vast expanses of land owned by temples. A temple's land was traditionally registered under the name of the main Deity--at Chidambaram, it was "Nataraja." But the British, who were disdainful of Hinduism and ignorant of the ways of the land, helped pave the way for usurpers and opportunists. It came to pass that any person named "Nataraja" could claim some of the temple's land as his, and be granted lawful rights.

Gradually, families who lived on temple lands became less inclined to pay their rents, going from a third, to a fifth, to a tenth, to nothing. Many claimed (and won) hereditary rights over the land, arguing that their family had occupied it for generations. Ancient laws, which decreed that the estate of a single person with no heirs should be given to Lord Nataraja, were spurned and ignored. With landed revenues depleted, the temple priests fell to a state of uncertainty and near pauperdom.

The Priests Today

[color="#FF0000"]If in the old days 3,000 priests worked to keep the temple clean and the vibration pristine, the diminished ranks of today, with just 373, are woefully deficient. In fact, much of the criticism aimed at the dikshitars is a direct result of their impoverishment and decimated ranks. It is a vicious cycle that only brings further decay.[/color]

There are, among the dikshitars, some who face the challenge with a full heart and dignified forbearance. [color="#FF0000"]S. Kailasa Sankara Dikshitar[/color], 52, keeps an inner perspective, seeing not financial, but mystical missteps behind the problems. [color="#006400"]"Since 1957, we dropped many of the traditional ways. We do not perform a ghee abhishekam to the sphatika (crystal) lingam anymore. We abandoned certain rites that are expensive. We have even missed kumbhabhishekams and performed them on the wrong dates. Our rites deal with forces of the cosmos. I feel that if we solve this, it will have a positive effect on the Tamil people, in Sri Lanka and in the world."[/color]

D. Raja Dikshitar, a young mystic of 25, explains what it means to be a dikshitar, whether the times are good or bad: "We are connected to the Lord all the time. My life and my temple activities cannot be separated. Even as babies, when we drank milk from our mothers, we were creating a commitment to this divine task."

A New Commissioner

[color="#FF0000"]Mrs. N. Thirumagal[/color], from the Hindu Religious & Charitable Endowments [color="#9932CC"](HRCE, the anti-Hindu christosickular government body)[/color], is the strong woman now in charge of the male hereditary priesthood. She began her work quietly, taking on the least controversial projects first--with one exception. She placed a hundi in Chidambaram Temple, defying a centuries-old tradition, a point of contention that is seen by many as physical evidence of who is now in charge. But Mrs. Thirumagal has otherwise tried to listen to the opinions of the dikshitars and find common ground. "We wanted to build a tank at a small Sri Vinayaka shrine in the corner, where breaking coconuts has become untidy. Since the dikshitar who is the pujari of that shrine objected, we cancelled the project," she shares.

Emotions still run high in the chaotic and wavering moods common to the aftermath of confrontation. Some dikshitars avoid any contact with the new commissioner; others have gone so far as honoring her with a shawl. Mrs. Thirumagal is not the stereotypical stone-hearted, anti-Hindu marxist, but a devout Hindu, and that blurs the lines of the quarrel.

Still, her commitment to her job is unflinching. She speaks with pride of her previous work at Kapaleshwar Temple in Mylapore: "During my term as a deputy commissioner there, the temple's yearly income went from US$312,000 to US$1.5 million. I also renovated the temple. How is it possible that Chidambaram, a world-famous temple, had an insignificant income last year?" Kapaleshwar Temple is today often mentioned as an example of good governance, with high standards for cleanliness and organization.

She has ambitious plans, mostly related to administration and maintenance. Some of the improvements, such as cleaning, are widely supported. But her financial strategies will change the dynamics of Chidambaram and put an end to customs that date back to the Chola empire, conforming it to the other government-run temples in the state. The main innovations are charging for admission and creating VIP passes with special privileges--which are common in India.

G. Kunjithapatham, 59, President of the Hindu Temple Protection Committee and one of the organizers of the rally, summarizes the most common concerns. [color="#FF0000"]"We go to the temple to worship the Lord and to have His darshan. In front of God, everybody is the same. In this temple, so far, there is no distinction between VIPs and commoners. Here, anyone can stand anywhere and have darshan for as long as they want."[/color]

V. Chandrasekaran, Secretary of Tamil Nadu Brahmins Association, adds, [color="#FF0000"]"All the pujas here are performed at their proper time. Even if a minister comes, the pujas will not be disturbed; once the temple is closed, no one is allowed. But in other temples, if an important official comes, they tell the archakas to open the temple. Pujas are delayed for hours, waiting for such VIPs. At Chidambaram, the dikshitars respect not just the money but also the devotion of the pilgrims." [/color]

The dikshitars are singular in their organization, one of the world's oldest functioning democracies. In their assemblies, each dikshitar has one vote, sometimes giving equal weight to the opinions of father and son. It is still uncertain how control will now be shared with the new commissioner.

Though the first months of the new power-sharing arrangement brought few changes, uncertainty and fear of the future are common among the dikshitars interviewed. S. Thillai Nagarathina Dikshitar explained, "If the temple stops making prasadam food available to us, we will be in trouble. The temple provides food to all the 373 families, regardless of status and position. [color="#FF0000"]Two thirds of the families are so poor that they cannot survive without the food they get from the temple."[/color]

Uncertain Future

The next step, according to B. Kumar, the dikshitars' lawyer, is to take the case to federal courts. The argument is that the dikshitars are a minority protected by constitutional laws. "It is a crystal-clear case. The rights of denominations are safeguarded under the constitution. The bench said that the podhu dikshitars are a denomination and are entitled to the management of their institution."In Indian law, denominations, or micro-minorities as they are sometimes called, are small groups that share a common heritage and are the living embodiment of a tradition that needs to be preserved. As B. Kumar explains, "This is not a temple where there are just ten pujaris. They are 373 families. That is why, in 1952, the state bench decreed that the podhu dikshitars are entitled to remunerate themselves using the donations given to the temple. It is a community prohibited by tradition from taking any other remunerated job. If a podhu dikshitar takes any other avocation, he is disqualified from sharing the proceeds."

B. Kumar also considers the financial situation of the dikshitars an important point in their defense against the accusations of mismanagement. According to him, [color="#FF0000"]"It is incorrect to say that the dikshitars are living in luxurious conditions, or getting rich. This distinction is very vital. No act of mismanagement was ever proven in court."[/color]

The proceedings of the case may take years. Meanwhile, Chidambaram is likely to remain under governmental control.

For the Tamil Nadu government, this means that all noteworthy temples are under state management, but only as far as the Hindu religion is concerned--the houses of worship of all other religions have so far been left undisturbed. Our correspondent Rajiv Malik inquired if there is a plan to continue to also take over mosques and churches. Mrs. Thirumagal said, "I cannot comment on why only Hindu institutions or temples are taken over. It is basically a government's decision. But wherever mismanagement is taking place, we will take over." It is a position that draws criticism. Dr. Thiagarajan Rajagopalam denounces, [color="#FF0000"]"If the government is taking over Hindu temples, can it claim to be a secular government? Under the garb of secularism, the government is silent about the administration of any temple of other religions. This is wrong. A full takeover of property that does not belong to the government is tantamount to stealing the temple."[/color]

The dikshitar's--and Chidambaram's--future is unsettled. How will their woes be solved, and how will their heritage survive, only Lord Nataraja may say. All is His dance, and though some of His steps are fierce, the diskhitars know well it is also an infinite dance of bliss.

[color="#FF0000"]T.R. Ramesh, the Dikshitars' Representative[/color]

What is it, in Indian law, that allows the government to take over religious institutions?

The draconian section 45 of Tamil Nadu's Hindu Religious & Charitable Endowments Act provides sweeping powers to appoint an Executive Officer to "manage the secular affairs" of a public temple. But denominations, like the dikshitars, are protected by the Indian Constitution, entitled to survive and maintain their unique identity.

[color="#0000FF"]Is Chidambaram the only temple fighting against intervention in Tamil Nadu?

Chidambaram is the last one, except for temples belonging to maths, which can only be audited, not managed by the state. [/color]

Why oppose the government?

First, because with their interference corruption becomes widespread. Second, the government is interested only in revenues. They have no intention of observing tradition or preserving our rites and culture. Temple revenues, which are offerings made to the Gods, are often diverted to non-sacred or even anti-religious initiatives. Third, [color="#0000FF"]the government is known to interfere with the mystical practices, setting rules for pujas and festivals that are not traditional.[/color] Fourth, administrative officers, ignoring the community, never consult the priests or local people.

Is the staff of some temples satisfied?

No, not even temples with income exceeding millions of rupees. Their revenues are not properly collected and later are misused. Temple property is sold surreptiously or leased out for a pittance. Most of them become highly commercialized; their festivals and rituals are changed with the intention of making them more popular, to attract more visitors.

[color="#800080"](No. That is not why christianism enforces a change of rituals. Although the beneficial - for them - side-effect of their objective of changing the rituals is to bring in more money for christianism by attracting more visitors)[/color]

Does Indian law have similar rules for other religions?

There are specific laws to control wakf properties (belonging to mosques). But they have never been applied. Nor has a Christian church ever suffered an intervention.

[color="#FF0000"]N. Thirumagal, the Government's Commissioner[/color]

What is your background as a temple commissioner?

I was a law graduate and practiced as a lawyer for seven years. More recently, I managed the Kapaleshwar Temple. I work at a state department overseeing Hindu religious institutions, where we manage around 38,000 temples in Tamil Nadu. Most big temples are being administered by deputy commissioners like me. The department is headed by a senior officer of the Indian Administrative Service, but I am not affiliated with the IAS.

What has changed since the takeover?

We installed a hundi, and also focused on cleaning. There were dirty walls and garbage. We also fixed the drainage system.

What are the future plans?

We are getting in touch with those who have leases of land belonging to Chidambaram. We want to make sure their leases are properly paid. We want also to improve the lighting in the temple, set up a security system and develop the surrounding gardens. We plan to create a website, renovate the 1000-pillared mandapam which is today closed, and provide proper facilities for visitors.

Will the dikshitars be consulted about your decisions?

The administration of the temple will be done by us together. They will be heard as trustees. The administration is run by me as the executive officer with a trustee board. We will look for agreement in our relationship with the dikshitars.

What will change for the dikshitars regarding the donations?

I do not think they will be much affected economically. Whatever is offered to them on the puja plates would be available to them. I guarantee there will be no change in that. Some archakas can also be paid servants, receiving both a salary and the puja tray offerings. Revenue coming out of hundi will be utilized for the development of the temple. In fact, we do not know what is the exact income of the Chidambaram Temple.

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Quote:The other side of the language debate sees temples as places of power built to invoke the blessings of the Gods, sanctuaries for mystical communion using techniques and precise Sanskrit mantras revealed by the ancient rishis. Abandoning the liturgy of the worship, in their opinion, would cause its potency to wane and the temple itself to fade into a soulless edifice of stone.

Paragraph above does a decent job of explaining what the ancient Hindu temples are. Modern Hindus just don't get this, they think Hindu Dharma is merely a nice idea, or just "philosophy" with the Hindu Gods as just representational ideas.

But this is not Jainism, Buddhism or Sikhism.

Ancient Hindu temple sites and similar sacred Hindu sites - in the south of India certainly, and so I assume the same about the north - are places where the Gods have been and continue to reside. They are CENTRAL to Hindu Dharma.

Of course, christians know very well what Hindu temples are (it's the angelsk-speaking Hindus that don't). Christians know, because it is VERY like what the temples in ancient Greece and Rome were - which is exactly why christians destroyed those with pre-meditation. But christianism in India needn't go about overtly destroying the Hindu temples - as it did to the GrecoRoman ones under Constantine and subsequent christos - it just needs the Hindu temples destroyed one way or other. For christianism, secularism is just fine to do the trick now.

Modern Hindus don't understand what it means when a sacred Hindu temple site is destroyed or taken over (left to be destroyed in time, left to "go to waste" systematically). They merely regard all this as an encroachment of space, or infringement on our rights. But the consequences are not merely social, political or otherwise uncomfortable. Things are FAR, FAR worse than that.

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1. What has happened:

http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?P...516&SKIN=K

Quote:E.Ahmed cancelled special train from Kollam to Attukal

28/02/2010 22:58:38 HK

The Minister of state for Railways E. Ahmed cancelled the special train service from Kollam to Attukal [color="#FF0000"]on the eve[/color] of Attukal Ponkala due to pressure from Muslim fundamentalists in Kerala. There would be a special train service every year but very surprisingly the special trail was cancelled this year, caused inconvenience to thousands of woman unable to attend the divine ritual.

It is understood from reliable source that E Ahmed had instructed the concerned authority not to run special train for Attukal Ponkala thus making the aged devotees (Ammamar) unable to attend the divine ritual and dwindling the presence of devotees.

The minister is for every one; his religious hatred against the Hindus should not be spared. The majority subject cannot be made victims of begot minister who works only for the welfare of Muslim community.

Islam is learning from christianism. Sadly it couldn't use cryptoism so one can tell who did it: islamania.

Ought to kick christoislamicommunifascism out of the country. It is a direct threat to Hindus and their Hindu Dharma.

2. What was supposed to have happened:

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/02/a...ng-of.html

Quote:Saturday, February 27, 2010

attukal ponkala: largest gathering of women in the world

feb 27th, 2010

on feb 28th, 2.5 million+ women will gather in trivandrum to cook rice offerings to the devi of attukal. this women-only event stretches through most of the town, as you find women cooking rice/jaggery/coconut payasam in pots on open fires (fueled with regenerating and environmentally-friendly coconut-tree inflorescences). yes, there will be a lot of smoke in the air, but also a huge amount of bhakti. the women take over the city as men are basically not allowed in the festival.

[color="#800080"](Where are all the non-Hindu Men's Rights activist NGOs to force Hindu men to partake, the way cryptochristists invited themselves over to stomp on the sanctity of Shabarimala under the "Women's Rights" excuse? Or the cryptochristists attacking Chidambaranatha Kovil under the excuse of letting Thevarams be sung from a location where it is not supposed to be rendered from?

What's that? There are no Men's Rights groups? Oh well too bad. Never mind then.)[/color]

may all the women readers of this blog have a great attukal ponkala!

the devi at attukal is believed to be kannaki, of the tamil epic poem silappathikaram.

this festival has soared in popularity in recent years. see http://attukalpongala.blogspot.com/

(it's written 'ponkala' in malayalam, but the word must be etymologically related to the tamil word 'pongal').

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Husky · (This post was last modified: 05-15-2010, 07:25 PM by Husky.)

Christism plotting against Kapaleeshwarar Kovil now

[quote name='Husky' date='15 May 2010 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1273930446' post='106382']

Scary.

http://apostlethomasindia.wordpress.com/...b-r-haran/

via http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/05/m...yagam.html

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