Middle East: Discussion

[Guest]

This is inside job, started by either now VP or head of Army. They just want to kick out Mubarak family. If you see, his family packed very first day with all loot. The guy who had orchestrated whole episode must be internally pressuring them, when he failed, he end up using local help.

[ramana]

He came on TV and announced he will be completing his term in Sept. He won't flee and wants to live an die in Egypt. And his team will do the transition.

[Guest]

Not sure whether this will work, I think we may see some sabotage by Muslim brotherhood.

Syria and Jordan now holds key.

[Guest]

This is inside USA, where people are waiting for Caliphate.

[Guest]

Chances of ElBaradei is very low, because he is Iran stooge and cheated Pentagon.

[Guest]

[url="http://nation.foxnews.com/muslim-brotherhood/2011/02/01/report-us-held-secret-meeting-muslim-brotherhood"]Report: U.S. 'Held Secret Meeting with Muslim Brotherhood[/url]

The Egyptian government has information a diplomat at the U.S. embassy in Cairo secretly met yesterday with a senior leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, the nation's major Islamist opposition group, WND has learned. The topic of the meeting was the future of Egypt following the "fall" of President Hosni Mubarak, an Egyptian intelligence official told WND

[Guest]

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/01/AR2011020105291.html?hpid=topnews"]Obama presses Mubarak to move 'now'[/url]

President Obama, clearly frustrated by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's intention to retain his hold on power until elections later this year, said Tuesday evening that he has told Mubarak that a transition to representative government "must begin now."



In brief remarks at the White House, Obama made no mention of Mubarak's announcement that he had decided not to stand for reelection. Instead, Obama said he had told the Egyptian president in a telephone call that this was a "moment of transformation" in Egypt and that "the status quo is not sustainable."

[Guest]

[url="http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/NightWatch/NightWatch_11000025.aspx"] Night Watch[/url]

Egypt: In a speech to the nation President Mubarak announced he never had any intention of running for re-election in September. He refused to step down from office before the elections.



Various international news services reported that the "opposition" issued its first list of demands 1 February, consisting of four principles that should provide the basis for negotiations with the government. According to the list, which was given to Vice President Omar Suleiman, President Mubarak and his regime must resign; transitional leadership must be formed; a committee to write a new constitution should be created; and parliament must be dissolved.



Liberal groups and Mohamed El Baradei said they support the list. However, officials in the Muslim Brotherhood said they would not negotiate with Suleiman, though they would not impede other opposition groups' talks with him, DPA reported.



Comment: Contrary to the thrust of American press treatment, Mubarak said nothing. He made no concessions to the demonstrators or to the US. There is no revolution or even a change in leadership. The US President's statement looks uninformed, poorly timed and lacking in insight. Mubarak may have duped the US and tried to dupe his opponents. If the US was not duped, then it must be a party to Mubarak's attempt to deceive his own population.



Mubarak stuck out his chin and told the world he is staying until the end of his term. He did not resign. He did not agree to leave office early. He did not agree to bring opposition leaders, whoever they are, into his national decision-making circle.



He re-affirmed what everyone already knew, namely, that he did not intend to run for office in September. What everyone knew is that he wanted his son Gamal to run for the presidency in September. Gamal is in London, not cut of the same cloth as his father, apparently.



He thumbed his nose at the world and said he is going nowhere, but the media interpreted the statement as a resignation speech!!! It takes a brilliant practitioner to dupe the whole world into believing its own Cinderella version of the news. Mubarak is a P.T. Barnum-class politician. US news apparently needed a Pollyanna-ish news story on Tuesday night.



The Muslim Brotherhood understood the message. They announced their refusal to negotiate with anyone from the Mubarak regime until Mubarak leaves. One spokesman for the Brothers said the chief of the armed forces would be an acceptable replacement for Mubarak.



Readers must expect outrage and a turn to violence as the defiance in Mubarak's statement sinks in. The protestors will misinterpret the speech as offering more concessions that fall short of responding to their primary demand that the president must leave now. They will renew and intensify their demand that Mubarak must leave.



For old hands, the US seems to have a tin ear in listening to and understanding Arab politics. The timing of the US statement was horrible. The US administration has not given the Mubarak government a reasonable chance to find a line it could hold before the US intervened. The Mubarak government has handled the demonstrations much more adroitly than did Ben Ali in Tunisia, with almost no violence. Mubarak is on his way out, but what was the basis for the US panic?



Sometimes it is better to say nothing, rather than to abandon in public a steadfast ally for 30 years. The street demonstrators will not make policy, ever. So what did the US gain by obliquely supporting a leaderless mob. Meanwhile, all the other US allies in the Middle East will appreciate that the US threw one of its most steadfast supporters under the bus because of street demonstrations and an insubordinate Egyptian Army.



As for the leaderless mob, Readers might wonder who printed the elegant Arab calligraphy on the banners, flags and signs flaunted by the spontaneous uprising. The leaders of this well-organized movement have not yet shown themselves.



There was no good news about Egypt today.

[Guest]

Egyptian Foreign Ministry Says Obama Inciting Violence.



ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo.



Fox Business Reporter’s Cairo Hotel Room Invaded by Security: 'They're Going to Kill Us!!'



Egyptian Protesters Hurling Molotov Cocktails, Rocks in Cairocon



'Total mayhem': Mubarak supporters, protesters clash in Egypt



PA launches pro-Mubarak demonstration in Ramallah



EGYPT: Opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei says he fears coming 'bloodbath'

[dhu]

[quote name='Mudy' date='03 February 2011 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1296674733' post='110534']

ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo.

Fox Business Reporter’s Cairo Hotel Room Invaded by Security: 'They're Going to Kill Us!!'

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That would be the one 'positive development' from this entire color revolution.

[ramana]

Mudy, Where did you get those headlines from?



Morning radio had a blurb about Egypt resenting foreign interference.

[Guest]

Headlines are from drudgereport.com, Blaze.com, dailycaller.com



Now, US middle East specialist are openly saying, Obama and Hilary should keep their mouth shut. They don't have influence or credibility.

[Guest]

Check these videos from Egypt



CBS katie-couric

http://gawker.com/5750021/leave-our-katie-couric-alone



Christiane Amanpour Gets Her Egyptian Media Beating

http://gawker.com/5750213/christiane-ama...ia-beating

[url="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/02/02/2011-02-02_cnns_anderson_cooper_and_news_crew_attacked_by_angry_mob_in_egypt.html?r=news"]CNN's Anderson Cooper, several other journalists, attacked amid Egypt protests[/url]

[url="http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=206421"]PA launches pro-Mubarak demonstration in Ramallah[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41383377/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa"]'Total mayhem': Mubarak supporters, protesters clash in Egypt[/url]

[url="http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/02/fox-business-reporters-cairo-hotel-room-invaded-by-security-theyre-going-to-kill-us/"]Fox Business reporter’s Cairo hotel room invaded by security: ‘They’re going to kill us!!’ [/url]



[url="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142101"]Obama Stands by Muslim Brotherhood Endorsement[/url]

[Guest]

CNN Breaking News -- U.S. State Department advises Americans to proceed to Egypt airport after morning end of curfew.



BreakingNews: State Dept. tells U.S. citizens who wish to depart #Egypt on U.S. government flight to report to airport without delay - NBC



BREAKING NEWS: U.S. tells citizens who want to leave Egypt, 'report to airport immediately'

[Guest]

Jordan: Peace Treaty with Israel in Doubt if Egypt Falls

[HareKrishna]

Among pro-Mubarak protesters.Police officers dress as civilians,coptic christians that are afraid of muslim brotherhood.

[dhu]

Synagogue torched in Tunisia



Arsonists set fire to a synagogue in the southern Gabes region of Tunisia, a leader of the local Jewish community said Tuesday.



"Someone set fire to the synagogue on Monday night and the Torah scrolls were burned," Trabelsi Perez told AFP, criticising the lack of action by the security services to stop the attack.



"What astonished me was that there were police not far from the synagogue," added Perez, who is also head of the Ghriba synagogue on the island of Djerba, the oldest synagogue in Africa....

[Guest]

[url="http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/NightWatch/NightWatch_11000026.aspx"]Night watch[/url]

The NightWatch prediction is the Army will clear the Square before Friday prayers. If that occurs, it will confirm that the Army has taken control of the government but is keeping Mubarak as a figurehead.



If that does not take place, the next phase of unrest will occur in which the uprising evolves into a movement for systemic change, also known as revolution. The Army collapses and every one from the Mubarak era runs for the exits.



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Comment:[color="#FF0000"] No matter the outcome in Egypt, Egyptian leaders will not trust the US. They will take US incentives, but they will never consider the US a reliable ally, paraphrasing an Israeli Ambassador today.[/color]

[Guest]

Drudge headlines

Soros Says Israel “Main Stumbling Block” to Democracy in Egypt, Encouraged by Muslim Brotherhood.



Cairo square chaos intensifies, violence spreads...

Obama response draws criticism in Israel...

Egyptian army starts rounding up journalists...

Worries Mount Over Possible Suez Canal Disruptions...

UN to evacuate staff...

[Guest]

[url="http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454202.554861111.html"] Steny Hoyer meets in Cairo with Muslim Brotherhood leader[/url]