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In the list of all those ex-Presidents, ex-Babus, ex-Judges etc who find their consicience after they've left the office, add one more name: ex-President K R Narayanan who made it to the top solely by his virtue of birth.
Here he's dissing ABV with his 'Vajpayee didnât do anything effectiveâ tirade in a Malayalam magazine edited by Congress MLA P.T. Thomas.
Could it be he's getting back to ABV for not extending his tenure in Rashtrapati Bhavan? Does this dork know that the division of army was sent to Gujarat smack in the middle of the largest mobilization in the sub-continent i.e., Operation Parakram. That too within 16 hours of the start of the riots! Rajiv Gandhi (PM), PVNR (Home Minister) didn't call the army for whole 5 days in Delhi, nation's capital!! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The necessity of hindu counter-rioting post Godhra
As the following article shows, muslim criminals do fear hindu reprisals if hindus are pushed beyond a point and that keeps their goondaist behavior in check
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?m...t&counter_img=1
<b>How 'kill Advani, Bal' plan fell through at Dawood's den </b>
Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi
FALLOUT FEAR FORCED TERROR HONCHOS TO OPT FOR MUMBAI BLASTS INSTEAD--- The Supreme Court may have upheld the stay on a film depicting "the true story" of the biggest ever terror attack on Mumbai on March 12, 1993, but the book Black Friday, on which the film is based, has made startling revelations about a pan-Islamic conspiracy to trigger a bloodbath in India by assassinating Advani and Thackeray. Â
âAdvani and Bal can be killed by just one handshake or one garlandâ
As the megapolis completed 12 years of surviving the serial blasts, jinxed film-maker Anurag Kashyap was battling to show how the people behind the explosions were not just D-company but the entire fundamentalist Muslim world for whom avenging Babri Masjid was just a ploy to achieve another aim - intimidating a 'non-believing' nation into subjugation.
The book's author S Hussain Zaidi talks about how, at a top secret meeting held just before the blasts at Dawood's mansion in Dubai, the head honchos of Islamic terrorism, including Dawood, his brother Anis, Tiger Memon and certain PLO leaders, ironed out the nitty gritties of the terror attack on Mumbai.
The brigade tabled various options before zeroing in on rocking Mumbai with covert landings of explosives on Indian shores. Among the first suggestions tabled in this chamber was the assassination of BJP chief L K Advani and Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray.
Zaidi writes that a man who seemed to be a Palestinian, said his operatives could easily breach Thackeray's security, "whenever we want to snuff his life out." He added: "Thackeray and Advani can be killed by just one handshake or one garland. That will be sufficient to despatch them to the pit of hell." Warned of the tight security cordon around the two leaders and the impossibility of reaching even within a kilometer of them, the man thundered that PLO had the means to achieve the impossible. "We have ways and means of doing it, and you people don't deserve to know them. But if worse comes to worst, we can always buy out one of the policemen around him and pay him fantastic sums to have the job done," he told the audience.
He also took a cue from the Amal militia in Lebanon, that stormed into the houses of Christians with truckloads of explosives to suggest that Advani's end could be brought about by storming an RDX-laden truck into his residence.
Zaidi also mentions that the plan had to be dropped after much debate and fears of an uncontrollable backlash on Indian Muslims.
The first to dissent was Shaikh Ahmad who said: "You are assuming that your men can get close to Thackeray and Advani. That is impossible: They will not get anywhere within several kilometres of him."
Next was Tiger Memon who came up with an argument few could dispute: "The Hindus will turn them (Advani and Thackeray) into Godlike figures and Muslims throughout India will be massacred. No. No. No. This cannot happen."
He, in turn, was countered by an Arab fundamentalist, who said that Muslims had the power to annihilate "non-believers." Even as he held everyone in sway, Anis pointed out that 60 crore Hindus in India couldn't be finished and that the UN and "India's mentor, Russia", wouldn't stay silent.
Ahmed said: "The best thing to do will be to turn the tables on Hindus. If we can intimidate Hindus in such a manner that in the future they will not in their wildest dreams try to subjugate the Muslims..." he said.
After a long discussion on whether to go for the assassination, Dawood Ibrahim finally opted for blasting the financial hub of India and, thus, creating a spectacle of terror in Indian minds that would stay forever.
(Excerpts of the book in Foray)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Mar 13 2005, 03:12 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Mar 13 2005, 03:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The necessity of hindu counter-rioting post Godhra
As the following article shows, muslim criminals do fear hindu reprisals if hindus are pushed beyond a point and that keeps their goondaist behavior in check
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?m...t&counter_img=1
<b>How 'kill Advani, Bal' plan fell through at Dawood's den </b>
Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi
FALLOUT FEAR FORCED TERROR HONCHOS TO OPT FOR MUMBAI BLASTS INSTEAD--- The Supreme Court may have upheld the stay on a film depicting "the true story" of the biggest ever terror attack on Mumbai on March 12, 1993, but the book Black Friday, on which the film is based, has made startling revelations about a pan-Islamic conspiracy to trigger a bloodbath in India by assassinating Advani and Thackeray. Â
âAdvani and Bal can be killed by just one handshake or one garlandâ
As the megapolis completed 12 years of surviving the serial blasts, jinxed film-maker Anurag Kashyap was battling to show how the people behind the explosions were not just D-company but the entire fundamentalist Muslim world for whom avenging Babri Masjid was just a ploy to achieve another aim - intimidating a 'non-believing' nation into subjugation.
The book's author S Hussain Zaidi talks about how, at a top secret meeting held just before the blasts at Dawood's mansion in Dubai, the head honchos of Islamic terrorism, including Dawood, his brother Anis, Tiger Memon and certain PLO leaders, ironed out the nitty gritties of the terror attack on Mumbai.
The brigade tabled various options before zeroing in on rocking Mumbai with covert landings of explosives on Indian shores. Among the first suggestions tabled in this chamber was the assassination of BJP chief L K Advani and Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray.
Zaidi writes that a man who seemed to be a Palestinian, said his operatives could easily breach Thackeray's security, "whenever we want to snuff his life out." He added: "Thackeray and Advani can be killed by just one handshake or one garland. That will be sufficient to despatch them to the pit of hell." Warned of the tight security cordon around the two leaders and the impossibility of reaching even within a kilometer of them, the man thundered that PLO had the means to achieve the impossible. "We have ways and means of doing it, and you people don't deserve to know them. But if worse comes to worst, we can always buy out one of the policemen around him and pay him fantastic sums to have the job done," he told the audience.
He also took a cue from the Amal militia in Lebanon, that stormed into the houses of Christians with truckloads of explosives to suggest that Advani's end could be brought about by storming an RDX-laden truck into his residence.
Zaidi also mentions that the plan had to be dropped after much debate and fears of an uncontrollable backlash on Indian Muslims.
The first to dissent was Shaikh Ahmad who said: "You are assuming that your men can get close to Thackeray and Advani. That is impossible: They will not get anywhere within several kilometres of him."
Next was Tiger Memon who came up with an argument few could dispute: "The Hindus will turn them (Advani and Thackeray) into Godlike figures and Muslims throughout India will be massacred. No. No. No. This cannot happen."
He, in turn, was countered by an Arab fundamentalist, who said that Muslims had the power to annihilate "non-believers." Even as he held everyone in sway, Anis pointed out that 60 crore Hindus in India couldn't be finished and that the UN and "India's mentor, Russia", wouldn't stay silent.
Ahmed said: "The best thing to do will be to turn the tables on Hindus. If we can intimidate Hindus in such a manner that in the future they will not in their wildest dreams try to subjugate the Muslims..." he said.
After a long discussion on whether to go for the assassination, Dawood Ibrahim finally opted for blasting the financial hub of India and, thus, creating a spectacle of terror in Indian minds that would stay forever.
(Excerpts of the book in Foray)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Same shik would apply with shree Modi if something happens to this lion of gujarat who has made it all by his courage and endeavours.
Sometimes the thought of Indian muslims being a blessing in desguise crosses my neuron waves, thinking about hamid gul's remarks that Indian muslims are the only obstacle between a mushroom cloud and India. Not only that, after the ghodra riots (where muslims were at receiving end for the first time in india) it was a saudi arabia which counselled to preach moderated form of islam. Gone are those days of muslim dadagiri from gujarat for the first time - remarkable transformation indeed for which the credit goes to one soul - Shri Modiji.
Complete report from Commie site - Interim Report of J. Banerjee Committee<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->On the basis of the above enunciation and upon elimination of the âPetrol theoryâ or even any âmiscreant activity storyâ both being totally absurd, the fire on Sabarmati Express on 27th February 2002 cannot but be ascribed to be an accidental fire which engulfed the coir, the foam and the latex available on berths coupled with the luggage of the passengers causing thereby the smell of burning and thereafter dense smoke culminating into leaping flames and not a deliberate attempted event.
(Justice Umesh C. Banerjee)
Former Judge, Supreme Court of India and
Chairman of the High Level Committee
Note : This High Level Committee has had to work under some definite constraints by reason of some documentary evidence not being made available to this committee. as a matter of fact, all attempts were in vein. This Interim Report thus is made and contained on the basis of the available records as of today.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Mar 27 2005, 09:25 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 27 2005, 09:25 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Complete report from Commie site - Interim Report of J. Banerjee Committee<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->On the basis of the above enunciation and upon elimination of the âPetrol theoryâ or even any âmiscreant activity storyâ both being totally absurd, the fire on Sabarmati Express on 27th February 2002 cannot but be ascribed to be an accidental fire which engulfed the coir, the foam and the latex available on berths coupled with the luggage of the passengers causing thereby the smell of burning and thereafter dense smoke culminating into leaping flames and not a deliberate attempted event.
(Justice Umesh C. Banerjee)
Former Judge, Supreme Court of India and
Chairman of the High Level Committee
Note : This High Level Committee has had to work under some definite constraints by reason of some documentary evidence not being made available to this committee. as a matter of fact, all attempts were in vein. This Interim Report thus is made and contained on the basis of the available records as of today.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
With above report, the odds of 92 miscreants (held) being released jumped to their favour.
Police and prosecution be damned by our own hindus a la banerjee and laloo.
Shame on such Yadavs, ancient bravery replaced with modern treachery.
Hindus are swimming with sharks.
I think Teesta, a hindu, is persecuting Zaheera, a poor muslim woman.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Zaheera seeks cross examination of NHRC Chief</b>
Zaheera seeks cross examination of NHRC ChiefNDTV Correspondent
Tuesday, March 29, 2005 (New Delhi):
A new twist has been added to the war of words in the Best Bakery case, which is being heard in the Supreme Court.
Key witness in the case, Zaheera Sheikh has now launched an attack on the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC).
In an affidavit filed today she has asked for their records on the case to be examined.
Zaheera also sought permission for her lawyer to cross-examine the Chairman of the NHRC, Justice A S Anand.
Changing statements
The Best Bakery case was transferred out of Gujarat in 2004 after Zaheera refused to recognise any one of the 21 accused, leading to their acquittal.
Social activist Teesta Setalvad had by then become Zaheera's spokesperson. At the new trial, Zaheera changed her statement and implicated all the earlier accused.
But in a startling revelation, Zaheera later retracted her statement, saying she had been tutored by Setalvad.
Heights of hostility
With the hostility towards her former mentor reaching new heights, Zaheera today also demanded a probe into all bank accounts in the name of Setalvad.
Setalvad on her part has said that she is ready for any investigation into her bank accounts and that of her relatives.
With all these allegations and counter allegations, one of the most high profile cases of the Gujarat riots still seems a long way from getting resolved. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->With the hostility towards her former mentor reaching new heights, Zaheera today also demanded a probe into all bank accounts in the name of Setalvad.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh God, all gulf, SINGH, CC, AID, ASHA, Biju etc support will come out in open.
Who is Zaheera lawyer?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Who is Zaheera lawyer?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You will be surprised. One of her lawyers is Tulsi - the sardarji prosecuting the Shakaracharya. Tulsi is also defending the Best Bakery accused.
I like this:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Zaheera also sought permission for her lawyer to cross-examine the Chairman of the NHRC, Justice A S Anand.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If allowed this should bring to question the very authenticity of NHRC's reports.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp...&id=288988
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Zaheera questions roles of NHRC, Teesta
NEW DELHI, MAR 29 (PTI)
Questioning the veracity of a petition by the National Human Rights Commission on the Gujarat riots, Best Bakery case star witness Zaheera Sheikh has sought before the Supreme Court appointed probe Committee an opportunity to cross-examine the NHRC chairperson as well as a probe into the wealth of social activist Teesta Setalvad.
This has been stated by Zaheera in an affidavit filed before the Committee headed by Registrar General B M Gupta who, along with Kanwaljeet Deol, has been assigned the task of finding the truth behind the alleged conflicting statements made by Zaheera and Setalvad in the Best Bakery case.
It was on the petitions of NHRC and Setalvad that the Apex Court had started monitoring the post-Godhra riots cases and it was alleged by Zaheera that her statements made before the NHRC were doctored and placed before the Supreme Court, which had set aside the acquittal of all 21 accused before ordering fresh trial of the case at Mumbai.
Accusing Setalvad of "tutoring her" in the matter prior to her deposition before the Commission, Zaheera said in a sworn affidavit that "I was taken to the office of NHRC and was made to say orally what Teesta had told me to say."
Zaheera said her so-called statement produced by the NHRC before the Apex Court during the hearing on Gujarat riots cases was not what she said orally before the Commission and requested the Committee to summon the records of the human rights body on this aspect.
Stating that the chairperson of the Commission and two members took part in the recording of her statement, Zaheera said "<b>I would like my lawyer to examine the chairman of the NHRC in respect of her statement, which formed part of the affidavit filed on behalf of the human rights body."</b>
Giving details of the manner in which Setalvad allegedly marketed the Gujarat riots to get pecuniary advantage from abroad, the witness said "Neither Teesta nor her husband is running any NGO called Communal Combat, which is a business venture of a company or firm known as Sabrang Publication.
"I and Best Bakery were the symbols to ensure money collected in the name of Combat Communalism," she said.
"My lawyers tell me that this is a device to avoid Foreign Contribution Regulation Act. Had it been an NGO, every foreign contribution would have been disclosed after giving information to the Union Home Ministry... it is a disguise to cover-up receipts of foreign contributions," she said and added that the bank pass books of Teesta, her husband and Sabrang Publications needed careful examination.
Zaheera also took a dig at the U.S. State Department reports for 2003-04 presenting Best Bakery as a "notorious case" depicting a communalised Gujarat.
The U.S State Department has set aside several lakhs of dollars for funding litigation aimed at bringing legal redress to Muslims in Gujarat, she said and added "I am applying to this programme for aid and assistance so that I may be able to explain to the world at large the exploitation in the name of secularism and protection of Muslims by persons like Teesta". <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The U.S State Department has set aside several lakhs of dollars for funding litigation aimed at bringing legal redress to Muslims in Gujarat, she said and added "I am applying to this programme for aid and assistance so that I may be able to explain to the world at large the exploitation in the name of secularism and protection of Muslims by persons like Teesta". <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Zaheera also sought permission for her lawyer to cross-examine the Chairman of the NHRC, Justice A S Anand.
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This Justice A S Anand - any relation to Javed Anand, Teesta's hubby?
Why has the USG set aside money for the redressal of Muslims in Gujarat?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why has the USG set aside money for the redressal of Muslims in Gujarat? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So that they can legitimize interference in other countries by using bogus tools to fund there interest.
They allocate big budget for these activities.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The U.S State Department has set aside several lakhs of dollars for funding litigation aimed at bringing legal redress to Muslims in Gujarat, she said and added "I am applying to this programme for aid and assistance so that I may be able to explain to the world at large the exploitation in the name of secularism and protection of Muslims by persons like Teesta". <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think she should apply for a visa too <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Who better to speak at the next ASHA or AID potluck dinner and Gujarat Riots movie screening at say Unv of MD or Unv of Cinncinati or Berkely?
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 29 2005, 11:18 PM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 29 2005, 11:18 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Zaheera also sought permission for her lawyer to cross-examine the Chairman of the NHRC, Justice A S Anand.
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This Justice A S Anand - any relation to Javed Anand, Teesta's hubby? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My understanding is that Javed Anand is a muslim. I don't think he is related to Justice Anand. Teesta I guess was a hindu before her nikah to Javed.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> http://web.mid-day.com/news/city/2004/se.../92226.htm
(Javed Anand is general secretary Muslims for Secular Democracy and co-editor, Communalism Combat).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Between where is Varsha Bhosle publishing these days?
http://www.sulekha.com/news/allcomments.as...xt&navno=554438
Looks like Rediff stopped publishing her articles.
Also is Rediff connected to Sabrang Communications and Communalism Combat?
Here is a interesting quote from a email posted on Sulekha...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Deaf Leopard 's comment on
Rediff kicked me out : Varsha Bhosle  [ Posted by  Deaf Leopard  ]
   Here is an excerpt from her email
   " Actually, you've got my so-called ploy all wrong. However, I don't expect guys with your mentality to understand that.
   You'll be pleased to know that you 'secularists' have a successful and time-tested way of tackling free speech: I am no longer writing for Rediff since its top honcho, Ajit Balakrishnan (also involved with discredited SABRANG communications Communalism Combat , ), finds me 'very inflammatory.' That's surely something to rejoice over. Yes, please do post my comments on your newsgroup. "
   You can shoot missiles to Ajit Balakrishnan at : ajitb@rediff.co.in
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<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Mar 30 2005, 12:12 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 30 2005, 12:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why has the USG set aside money for the redressal of Muslims in Gujarat? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So that they can legitimize interference in other countries by using bogus tools to fund there interest.
They allocate big budget for these activities. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
More than anything else, the US is using Hindus, India in general and Gujarat in particular as scapegoats for propping up its plummetting popularity (and in fact positive hatred) among <i>Ummah</i> countries.
There is an apt Tamil saying which translates like this: Somebody picked up for free (i.e. stole) a coconut from a shop in the bazaar and offered it to a Ganesha temple on the way.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Mar 29 2005, 12:58 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Mar 29 2005, 12:58 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->With the hostility towards her former mentor reaching new heights, Zaheera today also demanded a probe into all bank accounts in the name of Setalvad.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh God, all gulf, SINGH, CC, AID, ASHA, Biju etc support will come out in open.
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Good luck to Zaheera in getting Teesta's finances. It's been tried before...
an oldie..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->4.6 Another interesting aspect of Sabrang was its very active involvement in running an advertisement campaign during the 1999 General Elections against the BJP. In an interview ( http://www.humanscapeindia.net/humanscap...11997t.htm, "The Displaced And The Dispossessed", Humanscape, November 1999), Setalvad clearly stated that the initiative was taken by Communalism Combat to seek funds from three political parties - the Congress, the Communist Party of India, and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) - and 'ten prominent individuals'. The cost of the campaign was Rs 1.50 crores.
4.7 This interview took place after the elections were over. While the election process was on, Setalvad was asked about the source of finance. In The Asian Age (September 4, 1999), Setalvad had said that the support comes from four political parties, some corporate house and certain NGOs. In India Today (September 13, 1999), she said it was "from a wide spectrum of well-wishers including corporates, trade unions, women's group and NGOs." There is an axiom that it is very hard to be consistent when one is telling lies. The reports also said that Setalvad and her team for this campaign operated from the residence of a Congress leader, and worked closely with the media cell of the party.
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Link
<b>Court acquits 47 in post-Godhra riot case</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ahmedabad, April 5, 2005|22:20 IST
A Fast Track Court on Tuesday acquitted 47 persons accused in a post-Godhra communal riots case in which one person was killed by a violent crowd.
All the 47 accused persons were acquitted by Fast Track Court judge CM Shah in Nadiad district for 'lack of evidence', prosecution advocate Paresh Dora told the agency.
One person identified as Mohammed Kala was killed by rioters who had also damaged much property in Sainath and town hall areas of Petlad town on March 2, 2003.
Acquitting the 47, the court observed that they had been arrested on basis of suspicion, there was lack of evidence and, statements of witnesses produced could not corroborate facts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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