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#21
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can you tell me why Dr. Subramanian Swamy is worst for India?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Connect some dots, check what he did during emergency, list external entities supporting him, check who are supporting him now, his place of work outside India, who sponsor his trips, why suddenly he joined Ram Setu?
Connetcing dots will give you some fair idea. At this moment he is doing good for Hindus cultural cause, till he is working for this cause, whatever reason or whoever supporting him is fine. But for India's PM we don't need another Moron Singh controlled by some external entities, India need someone who is indian by heart, mind and had vision for India not for his family or family who may be living two blocks from his house.
#22
What ever people might say, it will be intellectual dishonesty of the highest level if the saffron brigade does not make L.K.Advani as PM in case NDA wins.

Hindus need to blindly follow the leader even if they have small difference of opinion to see the glimpse of revivalism of old glory( there is very remote chance but to try and not to give up). They should forget the minor human errors of LKA and just support him with full heart.

The following high ego personalities ( my a s s is bigger than yours mentality ) are spoiling the chances of NDA:

1) Govindacharya
2) Keshubhai Patel
3) Uma Bharathi
4) Raj Thackeray
5) Praveen Togadia
6) Subramanian Swamy
7) K. S. Sudarshan

All the above folks are very intelligent and highly knowledged. In any discussion if the news channels involve them, they have the ability to shut the others with both wit and argument. They have the abilities to organize and get the people to think the way they want to think. The above folks if they strategise unitedly, they could make the win very near.

For this election everyone should close ranks with LKA. He has a lot positives apart from few errors he made. He is the architect of rath yatras. I compare his first rath yatra to another greatest events of Indian history and that is Gandhiji's salt satyagraha. In both cases they woke up the sleeping masses. Just see the situation today- every political party has to do calculations to keep BJP out of power. Everyone is just sh1t scared inspite of public postures.

Saffron leaders have to go back to their old days of RSS schools and need to read the history and how our greatest leaders lost because of internal egos.

It is the time of LKA!!! Thinking about any other hindutva leader is not right.
#23
1) Govindacharya
2) Uma Bharathi
Govidacharya, after stroke is not very effective, he is brain behind Uma. Uma still blindly in love with this man, can't forget Advani when he proposed Vajpayi as PM. Now Govind is history and so is Uma.

Keshubhai Patel
He is just a jerk.

Praveen Togadia
Too much ego

Subramanian Swamy
Big NO,

K. S. Sudarshan
He should retire.

They are full of ego, lack vision.

India need Advani or Modi.
#24
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>'She is pushing for poll to make Rahul PM' </b>
Pioneer.com
Santanu Banerjee | New Delhi 
Convinced that the talks over nuke deal are heading towards a collapse with Congress president Sonia Gandhi defending the 123 Agreement with US and slamming its opponents, the Left on Sunday hit back at the Congress saying that "the party was more interested in a mid-term poll than any of its allies".

With Sonia openly terming anti-nuke deal camp as enemies of development, the top Left leaders quickly shifted the onus on her for destabilising the UPA Government to "serve US interest and her personal ambition."

Speaking to The Pioneer, CPI general secretary AB Bardhan said: <b>"If we are the enemies of development, then let the Congress president explain to the nation what is development - nuclear deal with US or more jobs, more food, more social security for the common people? Are we enemies of development because we want the Government focus on issues related to welfare of the common man?"</b>
"Only people who support subservience to US cause are developmental friendly?'' quipped Bardhan, adding, "interestingly, we never doubt about India's need to become a nuclear self-reliant.

When asked if talks on nuke deal have any relevance in view of Sonia Gandhi's stand on nuclear deal while dialogue is still on, Bardhan said, "We do not think that the Congress is any more interested in finding a solution to the conflict."

Bardhan's statement on the ongoing talks assumed importance as the next round of dialogue is slated for October 9.

Incidentally, many top leaders feel that the Congress president was in a hurry to see her son as Prime Minister and would not mind imposing a mid-term poll on the nation to achieve her ambition.

The Left leaders pointed out that when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh first tried to corner the Left on N-deal daring them to quit the Government, Sonia and Pranab Mukherjee played as mediators and somehow stopped the issue from snowballing.

<b>"But suddenly, the Congress president has another personal agenda, so she is not interested in saving the Government," </b>said a Left leader.

However, sources in the Left said if the Congress is ready for polls, "it's not that we aren't.''<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
#25
Sri Mudyji,

You have said:

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Connect some dots, check what he did during emergency, list external entities supporting him, check who are supporting him now, his place of work outside India, who sponsor his trips, why suddenly he joined Ram Setu?
Connetcing dots will give you some fair idea. At this moment he is doing good for Hindus cultural cause, till he is working for this cause, whatever reason or whoever supporting him is fine. But for India's PM we don't need another Moron Singh controlled by some external entities, India need someone who is indian by heart, mind and had vision for India not for his family or family who may be living two blocks from his house."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I really don't know what he did during the emergency or his external entities who support him or his internal entities. Could you please throw more light on this for educating me and other readers. Also your equation of him with 'Moron' Singh. Will be quite interested to know!

I said the name of Dr. Subramanian Swamy after having listened to one of his speeches at a university and after having read his book "Hindus under Seige". He was quite logical and made a good case and appeared well informed than most BJP leaders.

Please enlighten me. Thanks.
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<!--QuoteBegin-sastrikrishnan+Oct 8 2007, 04:44 PM-->QUOTE(sastrikrishnan @ Oct 8 2007, 04:44 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I said the name of Dr. Subramanian Swamy after having listened to one of his speeches at a university and after having read his book "Hindus under Seige".  He was quite logical and made a good case and appeared well informed than most BJP leaders.
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He is definitely well informed and when he speaks on issues no one can argue with his as he can put the issues in logical fashion. But a very self centered and egoistic personality. If he is angry with someone in the party, he will even go to the length of selling the country down the drain to put his opponent in trouble. Kind of Ambikumar( to prove a point against Parwateswar, allowed Alaxander into Bharat) mentality. He belongs to dangerous folks and his leadership qualities are ZERO. He can write talk but cannot rule. ZERO pragmatism with huge anger. Very fickle minded with little focus.

Bhashan dena asaan hai.n. Kaam karna mruskil hain.

These kinds should be backroom boys and should be well fed so that thier ego never comes in the way. Should use them for track-II diplomacies etc.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I really don't know what he did during the emergency or his external entities who support him or his internal entities. Could you please throw more light on this for educating me and other readers. Also your equation of him with 'Moron' Singh. Will be quite interested to know!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Entities from special department of UK and US.
I have met him once, had brief chat, I will leave it here.

His involvement in RamSetu is doing good for Indic culture, which is good. Hindu needs vocal and person with action.

He is not even good for track-II diplomacy, It will be difficult to make out who is providing pointers.
He can be good dictator for small country where only Dr.S.S live.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Entities from special department of UK and US.
I have met him once, had brief chat, I will leave it here.

His involvement in RamSetu is doing good for Indic culture, which is good. Hindu needs vocal and person with action.

He is not even good for track-II diplomacy, It will be difficult to make out who is providing pointers.
He can be good dictator for small country where only Dr.S.S live."
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Dear Mudyji,

Namaskar. You are somehow giving answers without reasoning them out with facts and examples. Anyway that is your privilege. Though I was open to persuation you have not changed my view that Dr.Subramanian Swamy is the best candidate in the given circumstances to be the PM.

What kind of leader is Sonia? Is she vocal and a person of action?

We live in the 21st century. We need a smart, educated person who cannot be duped. Charismatic Vajpayee is the biggest disappointment to say the least. All others are just clanish leaders except perhaps Modi who is not going to leave Gujarat until things settle down at the national level when all these clowns vying for power lose their steam.

Sorry to differ with you.

Regards,
#29
I agree with Muppalla #26. SS only trouble is he can not do team work, can not work as a sub-ordinate to anyone, must work independently, and comes first on his own priority list. This is shown by his behaviour many times. Most prominently during Janata Party rule of 77. Read up that part somewhere. Being a hero of emergency to being a first Vajpayee-hater (sorry, second. First spot is reserved for Balraj Madhok).

In all, a good resource, good leader for Hindu soceity, good intellectual, even good person. but PM? well there are better choices with better qualities.
#30
The only person from the BJP I would consider for the P.M.'s post is Modi. But the moth eaten old hags wouldn't let him take the rein and he is happy with being the leader of Gujarat and so are the people of Gujarat.

When the next election comes, the NDA is <b>not</b> going to project a P.M. candidate to maintain unity at the polls. The RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal and even Acharya Sabha are going to be insisting on the BJP on <b>their own candidates in each constituency</b> if the party needs their support with the result neither Advani nor Rajnath Singh would have much following when the results are announced. This is the difference between the congress and the BJP. Sonia is Congress. Nobody is BJP. That is the difference. Also we have to consider what is the accomplishments of Advani and Rajnath after the debacle in the last election organizationally and politically. The way Uma Bharathi one of the mass leaders of the Hindi belt was tricked into giving up her Chief Ministership in connivance with the congress and then throwing her out speaks volumes of their organizational ability. Jinnah controversy raised by the RSS against Advani has damaged his stature enourmously. He still wants to be the PM and won't let anyone else gratiously. Rajnath has lost the UP to Maya. These are the accomplishments of the two tall leaders of the BJP.

Just imagine BJP attacking the Congress on Sethu Samudhram Project when Vajpayee himself had sanctioned it! The congress would tear BJP apart. That is why BJP needs the Hindu outfits to attack the Congress on Rama Sethu and on denigration of Rama. Then the congress would be cornered. And the Hindu outfits are going to demand their price upfront this time from the BJP!

The NDA would have to elect the leader after the election and that person would be the Prime Ministerial candidate if the NDA has the majority. Considering his nearness to these Hindu outfits Dr.Subramanian Swamy has better chance than others. All because there won't be much of party loyalty to count on from the newly elected MPs for those big wigs of the BJP.

My 2 cents.
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<!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo--> yes; agreed that NDA will not project anybody as PM but will Cong or UPA will do so?
RE: Uma
The way Uma Bharathi one of the mass leaders of the Hindi belt was tricked into giving up her Chief Ministership in connivance with the congress and then throwing her out speaks volumes of their organizational ability.
I doubt she had or has any mass base. She met her waterloo in her home state of MP followed by in Delhi and I will say it was a wise move on her part not to contest UP.
Similarly Khurana from Delhi met his waterloo in Delhi.
Both of them did not learn from Kalyan Singh who at least has staged back his entry into BJP.
#32
<!--QuoteBegin-Capt Manmohan Kumar+Oct 9 2007, 03:14 AM-->QUOTE(Capt Manmohan Kumar @ Oct 9 2007, 03:14 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--emo&<_<--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' /><!--endemo--> yes; agreed that NDA will not project anybody as PM but will Cong or UPA will do so?

                  I doubt she had or has any mass base. She met her waterloo in her home state of MP followed by in Delhi and I will say it was a wise move on her part not to contest UP.
                    Similarly Khurana from Delhi met his waterloo in Delhi.
Both of them did not learn from Kalyan Singh who at least has staged back his entry into BJP.
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Dear Captainji, You have forgotton that the NDA is not a party but a front but congress is a party! The UPA was formed <b>after</b> the election in 2004 and the congress had seat adjustments with like minded parties for this election and they came together and formed the UPA after the election to form the government. However Congress fought as a party in this election (and not as alliance called UPA) and it was understood that as the leader of the party Sonia would be the P.M. if congress had won the election. The NDA contested as an alliance and projected Vajpayee as the P.M. and vehemently opposed Sonia as a foreigner. That the congress got to form a government but Sonia lost the chance to be the P.M. is another story.

We can talk a lot about Kurana and Uma but there is certainly some damage to the BJP in these two episodes. Of course Kurana and Uma in their own way have committed some blunders but the punishment given to them is a harakiri. We should not forget that politics is the last resort of a scoundrel!

Yes Kalyan Singh did come back (or was he sought after?) but that didn't help him or his party. Both were losers!

In the next election the composition of both the UPA and the NDA would be different. Both these alliances would be led by the major parties viz. the Congress and the BJP. In the case of the Congress the pressure would be coming from its alliance partners which are political parties but in case of BJP the pressure would be coming from not only its political partners but also from non-political Hindu fronts such as RSS, VHP etc whose candidates would run as BJP but would not take orders from the BJP brass. If NDA could come to power the minority political partners of the NDA would know that they cannot pressurize the BJP to get things done (as they did before) without equal obligation on their part. An interesting situation but I think it will be good for the Hindus! Even if UPA comes to power this sort of polarization would be something for them to recon with. To simply put there is a Hindu minority vote bank that would be dictating the politics of this country!!

Regards,
KS

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<!--emo&Smile--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Thanx for appreciating
NDA as a coalition> UPA.
There in lies the tale that NDA may rope in more coalition partners and be in position to form next Govt.
Here is the latest buzz:
150 सीटें + सहयोगियों का साथ, सत्ता होगी हाथ
[Monday, October 08, 2007 09:06:34 pm ]

ईटी

केंद की यूपीए सरकार के लिए उलटी गिनती शुरू हो चुकी है। ऐसे में अगली सरकार का स्वरूप कैसा होगा, इसका आकलन करने के लिए चुनावी पंडितों ने भी अपना पिटारा खोल लिया है और गणित बिठाने में जुट गए हैं। भारतीय राजनीति की दरारों को देखें तो इतना साफ है कि जो भी पार्टी आगामी लोकसभा चुनावों में 150 सीटों के आसपास जीतती है, वह सरकार बनाने की स्थिति में होगी।

चुनाव पूर्व संभावनाओं का आकलन करने वालों की मानें तो दोनों बड़ी पार्टियों (कांग्रेस और बीजेपी) को 200 सीटें कब्जाने के लिए दूरदराज के इलाकों में पकड़ बनानी होगी। 2004 के चुनावों में कांग्रेस और बीजेपी, दोनों की सीटें घटकर 150 से नीचे रह गई थीं। कांग्रेस को जहां 145 सीटें मिली थीं, वहीं बीजेपी को 138 सीटों से संतोष करना पड़ा था। हालांकि कांग्रेस सरकार बनाने में इसलिए कामयाब रही कि वह चुनाव पूर्व गठबंधन करने में सफल रही। लेफ्ट ने भी यूपीए के 'एंटी बीजेपी' नारे को भुनाया और गठबंधन को 272 के जादुई आंकड़े के पार पहुंचाया।

आगामी 15वीं लोकसभा में भी तस्वीर बहुत-कुछ ऐसी ही रहने के आसार हैं। हालांकि चुनावी पंडित इस बात का अनुमान अभी नहीं लगा पाए हैं कि कौन-सी पार्टी सबसे बड़ी होगी। वैसे यह तय है कि लेफ्ट धमकाने जैसी जीत शायद ही हासिल कर पाए। ऐसे में किंगमेकर की भूमिका हथिया लेंगी यूपी की मुख्यमंत्री मायावती। कमोबेश ऐसे ही या इससे कुछ कम अहम भूमिका में होंगे तेलगूदेशम पार्टी के चंद्रबाबू नायडू।

इसी साल यूपी में सत्ता हथियाने में कामयाब रही बीएसपी की निगाहें अब केंद्र की ओर हैं। बीते कुछ वर्षों में उसने अपना आधार यूपी से बाहर भी जमाया है। मध्य प्रदेश, महाराष्ट्र, बिहार, पंजाब, जम्मू और कश्मीर, हरियाणा, राजस्थान, छत्तीसगढ़ और दिल्ली में भी इसने अपनी छाप छोड़ी है। लेकिन आगामी आम चुनावों में केंद्र पर कब्जा जमाने का बीएसपी सुप्रीमो मायावती का सपना साकार होता तो नहीं दिखता। पर अगली सरकार के बनने में उनकी अहम भूमिका जरूर होगी। मायावती से लेनदेन के अलावा दोनों बड़ी पाटिर्यों के पास और कोई विकल्प नहीं होगा। यह और बात है कि गठबंधन की राजनीति में बीएसपी सुप्रीमो का रेकॉर्ड बहुत अच्छा नहीं रहा है।

यह भी तय है कि कांग्रेस और बीजेपी के प्रमुख चुनाव प्रचारकों का कोई जातीय आधार नहीं है। चुनाव में इसका उन्हें नुकसान उठाना पड़ सकता है। 27 साल के इतिहास में पहली बार ऐसा नेता बीजेपी का नेतृत्व करेगा, जिसके पीछे अटल जैसा बड़ा समर्थन नहीं होगा। अखिल भारतीय छवि होने के अलावा उनकी इमेज सेक्युलर थी। यही नहीं, ब्राह्माणों का भी उन्हें समर्थन था, क्योंकि उनके लिए तो वह पंडित अटल बिहारी वाजपेयी थे। वहीं, आडवाणी के पीछे वाजपेयी जैसा कोई जातीय आधार नहीं है। ऐसे में पूर्व उपप्रधानमंत्री वोटों के लिए पार्टी की राज्य इकाई पर निर्भर करेंगे ताकि ये इकाइयां इतनी सीटें हासिल कर सकें कि बीजेपी को लीडरशिप मिल सके।

ऐसे में बीजेपी जहां गुजरात में नरेंद्र मोदी, मध्य प्रदेश में शिवराज सिंह चौहान, कर्नाटक में येदियुरप्पा, छत्तीसगढ़ में रमन सिंह, राजस्थान में वसुंधरा राजे और बिहार में सुशील कुमार मोदी की ओर देख रही है, कांग्रेस को अपने मुख्यमंत्रियों से यही अपेक्षा है कि वे एंटी इनकमबेंसी फैक्टर पर काबू पाएंगे।


Minimal translation:
Cong or BJP: whosoever gets 150 seats may rule.
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<!--QuoteBegin-sastrikrishnan+Oct 8 2007, 05:02 PM-->QUOTE(sastrikrishnan @ Oct 8 2007, 05:02 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Just imagine BJP attacking the Congress on Sethu Samudhram Project when Vajpayee himself had sanctioned it!
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have you verified this cheap assertion of baalu-karunanidi? Just a dmk lie, easily demolishable. they are repeating like a rhetoric. lok sabh rajya sabha archive poiting to the otherwise. nda approved some budget (rs 10 crore) for studies on sscp (not sanctioned the project!!!) NEERI submitted its report in may 2004 when upa was in.
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have you verified this cheap assertion of baalu-karunanidi? Just a dmk lie, easily demolishable. they are repeating like a rhetoric. lok sabh rajya sabha archive poiting to the otherwise. nda approved some budget (rs 10 crore) for studies on sscp (not sanctioned the project!!!) NEERI submitted its report in may 2004 when upa was in.
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<b>This was repated ad nauseam by the DMK and even for once the BJP hasn't got the guts to deny it. </b>People know for sure that poor political trade off by Vajpayee (one of whose famous work was to let go off the terrorist hijackers and then shamefully surrender to the Talibans) to gain the support of the DMK which was actually needless. This is the very reason that BJP cannot lead the movement for the protection of Rama Sethu.
#36
sastrikrishnan-ji,

My question stands. Has it been independently verified who had actually sanctioned the project? or the basis of that verification itself is that DMK is making the charge while BJP has not guts to deny it? (which itself is not accurate though.)

Whether BJP has the "right" to "lead" setu protection not withstanding, I am only questioning the validity of the claim that "BJP/NDA/Vajpayee sanctioned the SSCP". So has it been verified independently?

Please try to discover the below facts:
- Which year's Financial Budget sanctioned the required financial vehicle to pool up the money needed?
- When was the NEERI report (which signalled the final review of the project by authorized agency) submitted to Government of India?
- Which PMO administration discussed the project design with Tuticorin Port Trust before finally approving?
- When was the clearance received from the other agencies? (e.g. TN State environmental agency)

a disclaimer might help, I am not a BJP fan, and dont care in the least who cann't or shouldn't "lead" the Sethu Protection agitation. I am in fact happy that an intellectual like Subramanian Swamy is at the lead of the legal battle. I am just trying to point the inaccuracy in the claim.
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Dear Bodhiji,

I reciprocate your sentiment and would like to say that there is actually nothing between us to differ. All I am saying is that the DMK, a political party is making a claim against BJP, another political party. If BJP thinks it is wrong they should simply come out and counter it. Why don't they do it? If they did that then there would be nothing for this forum members to argue about as we would know who is right and who is wrong. The simple rule is: If you don't deny, then you accept. This applies to the BJP.

Regards,
KS
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<!--QuoteBegin-sastrikrishnan+Oct 9 2007, 09:06 PM-->QUOTE(sastrikrishnan @ Oct 9 2007, 09:06 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dear Bodhiji,

I reciprocate your sentiment and would like to say that there is actually nothing between us to differ.  All I am saying is that the DMK, a political party is making a claim against BJP, another political party.  If BJP thinks it is wrong they should simply come out and counter it.  Why don't they do it?  If they did that then there would be nothing for this forum members to argue about as we would know who is right and who is wrong.  The simple rule is:  If you don't deny, then you accept.  This applies to the BJP.

Regards,
KS
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Let us not argue whether the previous Govt. 'approved' the plan or 'sanctioned' the plan. The fact of the matter is that the BJP didn't seem to worry about the breaking of the Rama Sethu.
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sastrikrishnan-ji,

While I can not defend BJP, but I have been watching Ram Setu issue for some time now, and shall be eager to discuss the facts related to Setu, since you are bringing it up.

Please join us at Rama Setu Thread for discussing further about Rama Setu (and NDA's role).
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That book is a highly disorganized one. He could have done it better, it looked hastily written.


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