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Pakistan News And Discussion-9
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...7-1-2007_pg1_4
<b>Reconstruct mosques or Else: Islamabad mullahs threaten suicide attacks</b>
<b>* Cleric says 10,000 students to be taught significance of jihad</b>

By Mohammad Kamran and Mohammad Imran

ISLAMABAD: The administration of Lal Masjid on Friday threatened the government of suicide attacks if it continues to demolish mosques and madrassas. The clerics also acquired a commitment to this effect from thousands of worshippers at the Friday congregation.

Addressing the Friday sermon, Maulana Abdul Aziz, key prayer leader of Lal Masjid, asked the government to reconstruct the demolished mosques and urged President Musharraf to “seek Allah’s forgiveness” for demolishing “seven mosques in the country”. <b>“We are ready to carry out suicide attacks if the government does not meet our demands,” he said, adding that the clerics would accept General Musharraf president for life if he accepts all their demands in letter and spirit</b>.
Maulana Aziz, who is also the principal of Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Fareedia madrassas, issued a decree after citing verses from the Quran that jihad had become obligatory on all men and women against the backdrop of “prevailing evil in the country”. He demanded the government enforce a system based on the Quran and Sunnah in the country and stop dubbing jihad as terrorism<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->“We are ready to carry out suicide attacks if the government does not meet our demands,”<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hope Musharraf continues closing down madrasas and those other centres for terrorism, thus greenlighting the suicides of those jihadists. Does everyone a favour.

Only wish the terrorists in India would also threaten to go and suicide themselves in Pak for the same holy cause, and then hold to their threat. Pardees awaits, you gotta believe it <!--emo&Wink--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hope Musharraf continues closing down madrasas and those other centres for terrorism, thus greenlighting the suicides of those jihadists. Does everyone a favour.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He closed or demolished only those Mosques who were working against him. There is a connection between Fauji assassination attempt on him and recently demolished mosque.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->recently demolished mosque.
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Where are Jaffar Shareef, Samajwadi Party, MMS, communists and Congress? Any impact on 'Peace Process'?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Where are Jaffar Shareef, Samajwadi Party, MMS, communists and Congress? Any impact on 'Peace Process'?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am waiting coming Friday, they will start rioting in Bangalore or Mumbai or UP or Bihar.

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 28 2007, 08:00 AM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 28 2007, 08:00 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->What a confident news headline, seriously worrying:
Rao Sikander (Rao is a Hindu name isn't it, why is the islamoterrorist still keeping it?) knows something we don't.
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<b>Husky Ji :</b>

1. Pakistani Muslim Names :

Punjab : Bajwa, Chadda, Kochhar, Puri, Saigal, Syal etc.

Sindh : Lakhanis, Hashwanis, Waderas etc.

Gujrati : Mehta, Patel, Shah - even in India!

Kashmir : Pandit!

2. The relevant portions of the Article were posted to highlight the childish, foolish, naive etc. mentality of the Pakistani Leadership.

Rao Sikandar is a bit of an oaf or twit or whatever name you may call him. I believe as Pakistani Minister of Railways he acquired the Chinese Rolling Stock for the Pakistani Railways.

The Performance of the Chinese Diesel Locomotives is legendry!

The main purpose of posting the Article was to have a Laugh at Rao Stupid Ignoramus!

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Rao Sikandar is a bit of an oaf or twit or whatever name you may call him. [...] The main purpose of posting the Article was to have a Laugh at Rao Stupid Ignoramus!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Thanks. Very good to know.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslim Names<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Very weird, but not unexpected I suppose. People forget what their own community- or family-names mean sometimes and continue using it for centuries before they realise their mistake.
Lashkar founder disowned by US-based brother
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayiba founder Hafeez Saeed has been disowned by his brother, who is facing deportation proceedings in the US.

"I am not his brother," Imam Muhammad Masood, a controversial cleric at a mosque in Massachusetts, told local clergy who met him in a show of support.
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Green cards and green bucks trump the green paindabad flag?

More surprises:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Masood has been buoyed by support from <b>Christian and Jewish clergy</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6309965.stm
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<b>'Three killed' in Pakistan blast</b>
Photo: "Security forces are on alert across Pakistan"

At least three people have been killed and seven injured in a suicide bombing in north-west Pakistan, police say.
Police say the bomber killed himself, a policeman and a civilian after he was stopped at a checkpoint in Dera Ismail Khan, a town near the Afghan border.

The blast is Pakistan's third since Friday and comes amid tight security for <b>Shia Muslim ceremonies this week</b>.

Elsewhere in the north-west, at least 11 people were hurt when a rocket was fired at a <b>mosque</b> in the town of Bannu.

The rocket landed near the building as Shia worshippers were leaving after prayers.

In the town of Kohat about 60km (35 miles) south of the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) capital, Peshawar, police said they had recovered explosives from under the stairs in a <b>Shia mosque</b>.

<b>Blasts </b>
The blast in Dera Ismail Khan damaged nearby buildings and shattered windows.

Security officials say the suicide bomber was a teenager who blew himself up when police tried to search him at a road block.

"The attacker refused to be checked and detonated his explosives," Aslam Khattak, a senior police official in Dera Ismail Khan, told Reuters news agency.

Minority Shia Muslims were due to hold a procession nearby.

Pakistan's security forces are on alert for sectarian violence during the holy month of Muharram.

The festival of Ashura is on Tuesday, when Shias mark the death of the Prophet Muhammad's grandson Imam Hussein.

On Saturday, a suspected suicide bomber killed at least 13 people, two of them senior police officials, near a Shia gathering in the city of Peshawar.

A day earlier, police said a suicide bomber had killed himself and a security guard at a top hotel in Islamabad. There was no apparent sectarian motive.

<b>Tensions high</b>
Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao said on Monday that the authorities were still trying to establish who was behind the blasts.

The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says tensions are also high because of militant threats to take revenge for recent army operations in the tribal areas.

It is not clear who is behind the attacks, or whether they are linked.

But observers say many people in the government and outside are tempted to link the attacks to recent air strikes by Pakistani and Nato troops against pro-Taleban militants in the troubled Waziristan region.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, poor Terroristan is the victim of its own terrorism. Islam isn't even good to its own.

And now a flashback to end Oct 2006:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6099348.stm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>'Shock and awe' on Afghan border</b>
By M Ilyas Khan
BBC News

The missile strike that has killed close to 80 alleged militants in Pakistan's Bajaur area appears to have targeted well-known supporters of the Taleban and al-Qaeda.

But exactly who was killed at Chinagai remains unclear as paramilitary troops prevented reporters from travelling to the area.

A number of locals and a senior minister in North-West Frontier Province, Siraj-ul-Haq, who led funeral prayers for those killed, said that there were several children among the dead.

Surprisingly, the attack came on a day when the government and local militants were scheduled to sign a peace deal mediated by tribal elders.

<b>Clerics targeted</b>
"We heard two blasts at about 4:50 am, whereas the Pakistani helicopters appeared a good 10 minutes later" - Bajaur attack witness

One of militant leaders known to have died in the attack is Maulana Liaqat, the head of the seminary that was targeted by the missiles.

Maulana Liaqat was also a leader of the pro-Taleban movement, Tanzim Nifaz Shariat Mohammadi (TNSM) that spearheaded a violent Islamic movement in Bajaur and the neighbouring Malakand areas in 1994.

The TNSM also led some 5,000 men from the Pakistani areas of Dir, Swat and Bajaur across the Mamond border into Afghanistan in October 2001 to fight US-led troops.

Another local cleric, Maulana Faqir Mohammad, currently heads the TNSM in Bajaur agency.

Both Faqir Mohammad and Maulana Liaqat were wanted by the government for harbouring Taleban militants and training fighters for the war in Afghanistan.

Early reports suggested that Faqir Mohammad had also been killed in Monday's attack.

But he later turned up at the funeral where he made a speech condemning the raid and vowing to continue support for "jihad against the Americans" in Afghanistan.

He told a reporter of al-Jazeera TV that the attack had been launched by forces "opposed to a North Waziristan-like rapprochement between the government and tribal people".

<b>Earlier raid </b>
Pakistan's government faced criticism over its controversial peace deal with pro-Taleban tribal militants in September.

Faqir Mohammad avoided a US missile attack in January - in the village of Damadola just two kilometres away from the site of Monday's air strikes - in which 13 people were killed.

Media reports quoting intelligence sources suggested that one of the targets of that attack was the al-Qaeda number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who apparently failed to show up at the venue.

Initially, Faqir Mohammad was believed to have been killed in that attack, but next morning he led the funeral prayers of those who were killed.

He remained in the area for nearly a week, granting interviews to the media and holding condolence meetings for the dead.

Those who died in the Damadola attack were believed to be civilians, including women and children belonging to a local jewellers' family.

The government's claim that at least five al-Qaeda operatives of foreign origin were also killed in the attack was never substantiated.

Government officials had claimed at the time that Maulana Faqir Mohammad and Maulana Liaqat removed the bodies of the al-Qaeda men before the officials or the media arrived on the scene.

<b>Staging ground </b>
If the latest body count is confirmed, it would take the combined death toll of the two attacks to 93, a high figure for this remote corner of the Pakistani tribal belt.

But it is also a sign of the attention that the Mamond valley is receiving from the US and Pakistani authorities.

The valley, which constitutes an administrative sub-division of Bajaur agency, has housed training camps for both Afghan and Kashmiri militants in the past.

The local population hosted a large number of Arab mujahideen during 1980s and 1990s, and opened up to the influence of some extremist factions of the Islamic Brotherhood.

The area served as an important staging ground for Afghan and local mujahideen to organise and conduct raids as far afield as Kabul during the days of the Soviet occupation.

The area was targeted in air raids by Soviet jets and helicopter gunships which aimed for mujahideen camps but often hit civilian targets.

It still hosts a large Afghan refugee population sympathetic to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a mujahideen leader ideologically close to the Arab militants.

A one time protégé of Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency, Mr Hekmatyar is still reported to be operating in the area.

The US says militants based in Bajaur launch frequent attacks on American and Afghan troops in the adjoining Afghan province of Kunar.

The missile attack on Damadola in January sparked widespread criticism of the Pakistani government, forcing it to publicly distance itself from the reported policy of allowing the US to launch attacks inside Pakistan.

<b>Motive</b>
Photo: "Zawahiri was rumoured to have been in the area in January"

Monday's attack may create a similar controversy, with one media report claiming that the missile attack was launched by a US drone.

An eyewitness interviewed on the telephone by the BBC News website appeared to corroborate that view.

"We heard two blasts at about 4:50 am, whereas the Pakistani helicopters appeared a good 10 minutes later," the witness, who did not wish to be named, said.

The question is, why would the government risk another controversy at a time when it was close to signing an agreement with the militants?

Also, the law and order situation in the area has not been bad enough to warrant a surgical strike.

If there were any intelligence reports to justify an attack, they have not been shared with the media.

Some circles believe the attack was either conducted by the US, or under their pressure.

Others expect some political repercussions but think President Musharraf will weather this storm as he did the last one over the Damadola attack.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nareshji, expert opinion, commentary, please..

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>India, Pakistan agree gas price with Iran</b>

Fri. 26 Jan 2007
TEHRAN (Reuters) - A senior Iranian oil ministry official said on Friday that Iran, India and Pakistan have agreed over a price formula for Iran's gas to be delivered via a proposed $7-billion pipeline, state radio reported.

The trilateral talks have been under way in Tehran since Wednesday aimed at reaching a consensus over the terms of the contract, the most important of which seemed to be the price, but had failed until late Thursday night.

In August, Iran offered a price linked to Brent crude oil that equated to about $8 per million British thermal units (mmBtu), while New Delhi wanted to pay about $4.25 per mmBtu.

<b>"We have finally reached an agreement over the price formula," </b>Hojatollah Ghanimifard, deputy oil minister and the head of Iran's negotiating team, told state radio.

UK-based consultant Gaffney Cline & Associates was appointed by the three countries in September after they failed to agree on a rate acceptable to all. But India and Pakistan rejected the consultant's suggested price in November.

"The three delegations will now take the results to their governments for further discussions," Ghanimifard said, adding that the governments had one month to announce their final decision on the agreement.

He did not elaborate on the details of the formula or the price range that was agreed upon, but expressed hope that the remaining measures regarding the natural gas pipe line would be taken by the end of June, if all of the problems were solved.

Iran has the second-largest natural gas reserves in the world behind Russia -- about 940 trillion cubic feet -- but it has been slow to develop exports.

Growing Asian economies, including India and Pakistan, are scrambling to find energy sources to feed industrial expansion.

The pipeline has been on the drawing board for years but has been held up by hostility between the South Asian nations and more recently by U.S. opposition to Iran's nuclear programme


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<b>k.ram Ji :</b>

Flattery will get you everything, but I for one prefer Cash – the more the better!

Not being an Expert I can only present you with my “Do Paise”.

I have read similar articles in various Newspapers and have refrained from posting the Articles for the simple reason that there are too many imponderables as well as hurdles to cross before achieving any concrete results.

They are :

1. The agreement of the Formula and Finally of the whole deal is subject to the Approval of the Supreme Council of the Iranian Parliament. The last time India and Iran signed a deal “Subject to the approval of the Supreme Council of the Iranian Parliament”, for Five Million Tonnes of LNG Annually (I forget the total period) at USD 3.25 or so per MMBTU, the Supreme Council of the Iranian Parliament did not approve of the deal and so it went down the tube. The reason given was that the price of Oil had gone up.

So one has to wait for the approval and questions <b>If over a Twenty Five – or whatever – period of the contract the Oil Prices collapse then will the Iranians reduce the price or if the Oil Prices shoot up again will the Iranians honour the Deal or once again walk away from it in terms of Price?</b>

2. If the Iranian Nuclear situation stays as it is the USA will “Issue Sanctions” against every Company which undertakes a project of over USD 40 Million. This Project will eventually cost around USD 10 Billion. How are the Companies involved going to overcome such Sanctions.

3. One reads – on a Daily Basis – the Incidents of “Sort Circuits in Air Vacuum” in respect of Gas and Oil Pipe Lines. In addition Railway Lines, Electricity Transmission Lines, Water Pipes etc. etc. have all suffered from similar incidents of “Short Circuit in Air Vacuum”

4. With the Pakistani mindset what are the Guarantees that Pakistan will not stop the Gas Flow and demand “Give us Kashmir or No Gas will Flow”? I hope you can imagine the effect on Industrial, Commercial and Domestic Users One sees Riots and Indians running around like headless chickens.

5. Even if Pakistan does not make territorial demands what are the Guarantees that they will not ask for Increase in Transit dues at frequent intervals?

Finally, and it is my firm belief, India must never let Pakistan control India’s Energy Jugular as Pakistan will – at the flimsiest of excuses – disrupt or stop the Flow of Natural Gas through the Pipe Line situated in its Territory.

I would take this opportunity to affirm that the above are not the only acts-points for India not using a Natural Gas Pipe Line traversing Pakistan and would request our esteemed members of this Forum to put further their comments.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Couple stoned to death in Pakistan
Press Trust Of India
Posted Tuesday , January 30, 2007 at 20:02
Karachi: In a barbaric incident, a couple was tied to a tree and stoned to death by relatives immediately after being caught together in a remote Pakistani village, police said on Tuesday.

Angry at their relationship, relatives tied Ghulam Nabi and Elahi Sen to a tree and hurled bricks at them from all sides killing them instantly.

The incident took place in Donga Bonga block close to the Pakistan-India border near Rahim Yar Khan in central Punjab province.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Angry at their relationship, relatives tied Ghulam Nabi and Elahi Sen to a tree and hurled bricks at them from all sides killing them instantly<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
San Francisco should organize protest march against Pakistan, against brutal killing of loving couple. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jan 31 2007, 12:14 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jan 31 2007, 12:14 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Angry at their relationship, relatives tied Ghulam Nabi and Elahi Sen to a tree and hurled bricks at them from all sides killing them instantly<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
San Francisco should organize protest march against Pakistan, against brutal killing of loving couple. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Mudy, they are a man and a woman.
oops , Name was confusing. <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Jinnah House for Saarc, not Pak</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Now in a diplomatic masterstroke, Delhi has decided to turn the spectacular 2.5-acre villa overlooking the Arabian Sea in the Malabar Hills area into an art and cultural centre for Saarc nations.

“We expect the centre to be thrown open to the public on August 15 this year to coincide with India’s 60th anniversary celebrations,” Sanjeev Kohli, deputy director, Indian Council for Cultural Relations (ICCR), told agencies today.

The hub would be called the South Asian Centre for Arts and Culture and would be one of its kind in South Asia.
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Jinnah house is symbol of "Secularism". <!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Pakistanis Being Sold to the United States</b>

General Musharraf says Pakistan earns millions of dollars for handing over suspects to the US.

Hindus are kidnapped by Pakistani government and sold/passed as terrorist to US government
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Couple stoned to death in Pakistan
Press Trust Of India
Posted Tuesday , January 30, 2007 at 20:02
Karachi: In a barbaric incident, a couple was tied to a tree and stoned to death by relatives immediately after being caught together in a remote Pakistani village, police said on Tuesday.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This is just so depressing. Why? Were they unmarried? If so, can't the relatives on both sides just get the two married and remove the - what they probably saw as - 'dishonour'.
For goodness sake, stoning people? What a horrible, painful way to have to die.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Jan 31 2007, 08:24 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Jan 31 2007, 08:24 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pakistanis Being Sold to the United States</b>

General Musharraf says Pakistan earns millions of dollars for handing over suspects to the US.

Hindus are kidnapped by Pakistani government and sold/passed as terrorist to US government
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The torturing interrogators in the US probably won't believe the poor Hindus when the latter explain they are not even muslim, let alone j-hadi terrorists.

<b>EDIT:</b>
Transcript of <b>00:37 - 2:22</b> from Mudy's video link. Narrator is 'Arshad Shariff' (?) for Reuters, Islamabad:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Narrator:</i> The relatives of the other missing people are convinced that intelligence agencies abducted their family members for alleged links with Al Qaeda and various religious organisations. Many human rights groups agree, saying that innocent people are being abducted in the name of the war on terror.

But that's not all. The Pakistan Human Rights commission, as well as the Asian Human Rights commissions say that several citizens belonging to the Hindu community are the latest victims of enforced disappearances, along with critics of the government in Sindh and Balochistan. The opposition is raising the matter in the senate.

<i>Senator Enver Baig:</i> "There are reports that people from the interior of Sindh in particular the minority community from the Hindus are missing along with the other politcal leadership from Punjabs and Balochistan. We are taking up this issue in the senate"

<i>Narrator:</i> Government officials are denying all knowledge of the disapeared. In fact it supported the convention adopted by the UN general assembly in December, which called enforced disappeareances a criminal act. But outside the UN building in Islamabad, the relatives of the missing asked the UN to do more.

In his memoirs, In The Line Of Fire, president Musharraf says Pakistan earned bounties totalling millions of dollars for handing over hundreds of Al Qaeda suspects to the US.

Some of the families of the missing don't know if their relatives are in US custody or the custody of Pakistan. But, under supreme court pressure, some of the missing have been found in army camps, held there without a charge.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->ISI or Perverse Musharraf's latest plan to continue ethnic cleansing of Hindus of Pakistan: sell them to the US as AQ terrorists.
<!--QuoteBegin-Naresh+Jan 30 2007, 10:21 PM-->QUOTE(Naresh @ Jan 30 2007, 10:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>k.ram Ji :</b>

Flattery will get you everything, but I for one prefer Cash – the more the better!

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<!--emo&Big Grin--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Good one Nareshi ji...

Also, thanks for your thoughts.. <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->


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