09-07-2005, 11:50 AM
I agree with you srini whatever you have written. I have no problem with it.
I know the brutal history of islam.
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I totally agree with the above statement also. What they have done to Salman Rushdie totally drives the point home. Looking at the state of pakistan or bangladesh, i have no doubt that muslims as a majority are the worst thing to happen, especially in the subcontinent.
I have no issues with that. The problem is with the solution.
Some of the people here are talking about sterilizing, or sometimes even killing indiscriminately. What is the difference then. Mohammad made every person in medina either to forcibly convert to islam, he made medinan woman get raped, killed or taken as property. He put economic sanctions so that arab people convert to islam. I think some of the suggestions in this forum are similar. Are we hindus taking the cultist attitude of islam to fight it. If we have to do that then why fight it. Join them, become a muslim then you have religious sanctity to do it and then you dont have a problem also
The difference of being a hindu is the values. If in retaliation to islam i imbibe islamic values then it is the victory of islam and not the victory of hinduism and hindu way of life. Hindu way of life means peace, love, fulfilment and happiness and not fear pyschosis.
By acting on suggestions like shuddi or killing, rioting, indiscriminate violence are we creating the same history that you have so vehemently opposed. Are we creating a mohammad in hinduism. I have strong belief in the concept of love. Hinduism means love. Islam does not mean love, it means seperations, believer and kafir concept. Are we going to create kafirs of hinduism(who have always to be hated). It is easy to get carried away in the moment of history and the exigency of present politics. Hinduism(sanatan dharma) has been sanatan because of the primacy of love. It is sanatan because the concept of love as explained in vedas and upanishads.
The biggest delimma is how do you fight hatred without spreading hatred.
As for fighting islam and most importantly i dont say islam but the qualities of islam that srini has so very well manifested. There is a two pronged approach. Regarding pakistan and bangladesh. We dont have to do anything, just crush them. The islamic idealogy of that country will always be an inspiring force for islamists of india. A crushing defeat of them will leave islamists in this country with no feet to stand.
Another thing is acceptance of islam. Islam has been in india for 1000 years. It has become subcontinental islam. It has a very virulent strain as we all agree on. But as i have said there have been significant contribution to india by its muslim citizens. I believe that if a situation is allowed to go towards fight then it will leave everybody damaged and if a situation made to work towards a system of better understanding then it will leave everybody happy.
How does it matter if a muslim he lives comfortably without creating problem for me. I believe that being a hindu it is importantly to know that everybody has a way of living and if he does not create problem for me he has all the right to do whatever he does. As for islamists.
I had said earlier take away there support. Expose them. Take away the social structure which is hiding them and making them attack hindus in the grab of liberalism.
Some people had suggested on this that hindus are not cowards, they can fight. We can and should fight but only after it is necessary. Bhagwan krishna started mahabharat after finding all possible avenues for peace. He went with a peace sandhi also. We are ready for fight. I will be the first person standing, right in front to fight. I will not accept injustice and hatred. But there is a whole lot of difference between fighting and killing.
The muslims who were killed in gujrat was no fighting. It was a coward's response. Just knee jerk anger. We are hindus we can do better, we are no barbaric muslims who on the drop of hat start killing.
And for those muslims who kill. Create a system that they even fear to do it ever again. Gujrat is a brutal method which will ultimately create the history which we so love to hate. We will convert muslims to hinduism by treating them as second class people and hence doing what mohammad's followers could just have dreamt of and could not do it in 1000 years in this country, making the subcontinent islamic, though the name will be different.
Hindus took there gods to there homes when there temples were destroyed. Do you want to take that god out of that home and bring barbarism. Do you want to drive my Ram and Krishna out of my home and my mind and instill violence, hatred and anger, then i wont remain a hindu anymore. It will be a dharma bhastrachar for me. I cannot do it. I simply cannot. Being a hindu i cannot do it. And as for fighting islamists. Keep fighting them through hindu methods. Keep fighting them. Always, never say no, never appease them or buy there propoganda. Always, relentlessly and continuously keep on saying no, just like gandhi did. Ultimately those muslims will become hindu in values(though they will be muslims religiously like our beloved president, thought there will be people like Bhukari and mullahs still there) and that will be the victory of hinduism and vedas and hindu way of life. That is the strength of love and compassion and hinduism. A hindu conquers the mind, body and soul and not the physical existence. Jo bhi yahan aaya hain kahin se yahin ka hokar reh gaya hain.
And i agree with agni vayu. Hindus need to show muslims we dont accept your hatred. We are not ready to negotiate hatred. It is despicable and we will show them our muscles and fight them all the way.
Abhishek
I know the brutal history of islam.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for Sania mirza, abdul kalam and other progressive muslims, if and when muslims gain enough numbers to dominate, these progressive sections will be suppressed or eliminated!
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I totally agree with the above statement also. What they have done to Salman Rushdie totally drives the point home. Looking at the state of pakistan or bangladesh, i have no doubt that muslims as a majority are the worst thing to happen, especially in the subcontinent.
I have no issues with that. The problem is with the solution.
Some of the people here are talking about sterilizing, or sometimes even killing indiscriminately. What is the difference then. Mohammad made every person in medina either to forcibly convert to islam, he made medinan woman get raped, killed or taken as property. He put economic sanctions so that arab people convert to islam. I think some of the suggestions in this forum are similar. Are we hindus taking the cultist attitude of islam to fight it. If we have to do that then why fight it. Join them, become a muslim then you have religious sanctity to do it and then you dont have a problem also
The difference of being a hindu is the values. If in retaliation to islam i imbibe islamic values then it is the victory of islam and not the victory of hinduism and hindu way of life. Hindu way of life means peace, love, fulfilment and happiness and not fear pyschosis.
By acting on suggestions like shuddi or killing, rioting, indiscriminate violence are we creating the same history that you have so vehemently opposed. Are we creating a mohammad in hinduism. I have strong belief in the concept of love. Hinduism means love. Islam does not mean love, it means seperations, believer and kafir concept. Are we going to create kafirs of hinduism(who have always to be hated). It is easy to get carried away in the moment of history and the exigency of present politics. Hinduism(sanatan dharma) has been sanatan because of the primacy of love. It is sanatan because the concept of love as explained in vedas and upanishads.
The biggest delimma is how do you fight hatred without spreading hatred.
As for fighting islam and most importantly i dont say islam but the qualities of islam that srini has so very well manifested. There is a two pronged approach. Regarding pakistan and bangladesh. We dont have to do anything, just crush them. The islamic idealogy of that country will always be an inspiring force for islamists of india. A crushing defeat of them will leave islamists in this country with no feet to stand.
Another thing is acceptance of islam. Islam has been in india for 1000 years. It has become subcontinental islam. It has a very virulent strain as we all agree on. But as i have said there have been significant contribution to india by its muslim citizens. I believe that if a situation is allowed to go towards fight then it will leave everybody damaged and if a situation made to work towards a system of better understanding then it will leave everybody happy.
How does it matter if a muslim he lives comfortably without creating problem for me. I believe that being a hindu it is importantly to know that everybody has a way of living and if he does not create problem for me he has all the right to do whatever he does. As for islamists.
I had said earlier take away there support. Expose them. Take away the social structure which is hiding them and making them attack hindus in the grab of liberalism.
Some people had suggested on this that hindus are not cowards, they can fight. We can and should fight but only after it is necessary. Bhagwan krishna started mahabharat after finding all possible avenues for peace. He went with a peace sandhi also. We are ready for fight. I will be the first person standing, right in front to fight. I will not accept injustice and hatred. But there is a whole lot of difference between fighting and killing.
The muslims who were killed in gujrat was no fighting. It was a coward's response. Just knee jerk anger. We are hindus we can do better, we are no barbaric muslims who on the drop of hat start killing.
And for those muslims who kill. Create a system that they even fear to do it ever again. Gujrat is a brutal method which will ultimately create the history which we so love to hate. We will convert muslims to hinduism by treating them as second class people and hence doing what mohammad's followers could just have dreamt of and could not do it in 1000 years in this country, making the subcontinent islamic, though the name will be different.
Hindus took there gods to there homes when there temples were destroyed. Do you want to take that god out of that home and bring barbarism. Do you want to drive my Ram and Krishna out of my home and my mind and instill violence, hatred and anger, then i wont remain a hindu anymore. It will be a dharma bhastrachar for me. I cannot do it. I simply cannot. Being a hindu i cannot do it. And as for fighting islamists. Keep fighting them through hindu methods. Keep fighting them. Always, never say no, never appease them or buy there propoganda. Always, relentlessly and continuously keep on saying no, just like gandhi did. Ultimately those muslims will become hindu in values(though they will be muslims religiously like our beloved president, thought there will be people like Bhukari and mullahs still there) and that will be the victory of hinduism and vedas and hindu way of life. That is the strength of love and compassion and hinduism. A hindu conquers the mind, body and soul and not the physical existence. Jo bhi yahan aaya hain kahin se yahin ka hokar reh gaya hain.
And i agree with agni vayu. Hindus need to show muslims we dont accept your hatred. We are not ready to negotiate hatred. It is despicable and we will show them our muscles and fight them all the way.
Abhishek