11-27-2005, 10:02 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Nov 27 2005, 09:57 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Nov 27 2005, 09:57 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->thats possible... brainwashing goes a long way towards swaying opinions.
still mysore and a.p. are rather proud of tipu sultan as some sort of patriot who fought the poms and not as another muslim oppressor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you didn't show us any documentary evidence to back up this claim, the persons whom andhraites really respect are Sri Krishna Deva Raya and Alluri Sita Rama Raju, I must know since I am from Andhra, so until you have documentary evidence stop propagating rubbish.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->even if ambedkar's contribution is not as huge as its made out to be, and though he had brit backing (remember he didnt back the oppressed cos the poms backed him... its the other way round.. the poms backed him cos he championed the oppressed and thus could potentially divide india), i cant think of very many others who helped to uplift the oppressed castes of india (and b4 you jump to conclusions i am a swaraswat brahmin and i support positive discrimination) as much as ambedkar did.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In what way did he do anything, harijans are still discriminated against, you being a Brahmin does not mean anything (I know plenty of self hating Brahmins and there was one Taml Brahmin who was even defending Periyar). If you don'w know of any other person who did as much as Ambedkar to uplift lower castes then maybe its time you read up some non p-sec history, Sri Narayan Guru was from the Ezhava caste in Kerala who were considered untouchables and he single handedly uplifted them and today they are no longer untouchables and are respected throughout Kerala and Sri Narayan Guru is like the patron saint of Kerala.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->as for positive discrimination for muslims nd x-ians - thats just out of question. they were never oppressed - they were the oppressor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes so Ambedkar must not have drafted article 30 and other such articles favouring positive discrimination towards Muslims (this is assuming that he made majot contributions to the constituition) so today's positive discrimination towards so called minorities can be laid at his door step.
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ok boss, the lower castes got the positive discrimination law out of thin air, and all andhraites are exactly like you and never like haider ali (just like all bengalis are exactly like me and never support the cpim) and btw, i am not a self hating brahmin at all (the social justice in wb being far higher than most other states, esp the up-bihar belt which remains a stronghold of castism... hence i havent much guilt)... just that i see positive discrimation as a move that has...well, a lot of positives.
still mysore and a.p. are rather proud of tipu sultan as some sort of patriot who fought the poms and not as another muslim oppressor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And you didn't show us any documentary evidence to back up this claim, the persons whom andhraites really respect are Sri Krishna Deva Raya and Alluri Sita Rama Raju, I must know since I am from Andhra, so until you have documentary evidence stop propagating rubbish.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->even if ambedkar's contribution is not as huge as its made out to be, and though he had brit backing (remember he didnt back the oppressed cos the poms backed him... its the other way round.. the poms backed him cos he championed the oppressed and thus could potentially divide india), i cant think of very many others who helped to uplift the oppressed castes of india (and b4 you jump to conclusions i am a swaraswat brahmin and i support positive discrimination) as much as ambedkar did.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In what way did he do anything, harijans are still discriminated against, you being a Brahmin does not mean anything (I know plenty of self hating Brahmins and there was one Taml Brahmin who was even defending Periyar). If you don'w know of any other person who did as much as Ambedkar to uplift lower castes then maybe its time you read up some non p-sec history, Sri Narayan Guru was from the Ezhava caste in Kerala who were considered untouchables and he single handedly uplifted them and today they are no longer untouchables and are respected throughout Kerala and Sri Narayan Guru is like the patron saint of Kerala.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->as for positive discrimination for muslims nd x-ians - thats just out of question. they were never oppressed - they were the oppressor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes so Ambedkar must not have drafted article 30 and other such articles favouring positive discrimination towards Muslims (this is assuming that he made majot contributions to the constituition) so today's positive discrimination towards so called minorities can be laid at his door step.
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ok boss, the lower castes got the positive discrimination law out of thin air, and all andhraites are exactly like you and never like haider ali (just like all bengalis are exactly like me and never support the cpim) and btw, i am not a self hating brahmin at all (the social justice in wb being far higher than most other states, esp the up-bihar belt which remains a stronghold of castism... hence i havent much guilt)... just that i see positive discrimation as a move that has...well, a lot of positives.