12-02-2005, 06:14 AM
dhu,
Thank you for all the information you have given. That bit on Johanna Nichols is also very interesting and I had not come across it before.
I have read most of the articles of Koenraad Elst available on his website, but I do not think I have read all of the papers of his that you've linked to. I will read them now.
Read the following article, especially paragraphs where the word 'Durga' appears:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/re...rgent.html
As for linguistics, I have always been certain that there are other equally valid explanations for the linguistic affinities to build scenarios other than the "Into India" versions. The fact that Witzel and those who share his view do not consider them and are missing vital bits of information (which contradict their preconceived ideas and others that can be construed to support views opposing their own), merely implies that they are too heavily entrenched in one paradigm.
That is, if they are true scientists. If they aren't, there might be other reasons as to why they are so blindly pro-AIT that they are ignoring or misunderstanding alternative data.
Other reasons that can be highlighted include:
"Increasingly, Hinduism is identified by the international public with the caste system and nothing but the caste system. The caste system, in turn, is painted in the ugliest colors: as a racist Apartheid system designed to oppress the native population. These notions are eagerly welcomed and amplified by outside forces such as Christian missionary centers, followed by their Islamic counterparts. Till recently, American foreign policy agencies made no secret of their designs on India's unity. When she was US ambassador to the UN, Mrs. Jean Kirkpatrick once said that "the break-up of India is one of the goals of the American foreign policy." Patrick Moynihan, who had held the same job, said more recently, "After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the artificial state India is also bound to break up." - Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar - By Koenraad Elst
(from http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Caste_System.htm)
And from http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Islami...aught.htm:
Marxist historian, Romila Thapar cheerfully predicted that India won't be able to stay together. Effectively, to a question about secessionist movements, she was quoted as saying, and did indeed say to the Le Monde interviewers: "What one can foresee, perhaps, for the end of the next century, is a series of small states federated within a more viable single economic space on the scale of the subcontinent."
It is strange that Witzel should wish to work with communists like Romila Thapar.
In addition to all this, Time Magazine repeatedly depicts Jammu & Kashmir as an independent land and not a state of India, which, however contested by our neighbours, is still under Indian governance.
US foreign policy and their media are doing the same to India that they have done to the very unfortunate Serbians. Bosnia in the US media is depicted as belonging to the Albanian Muslim people by repeatedly beating us over the head with "the Bosnians" for the Albanian presence and "the Serbs" for the Serbians to indicate the latter do not belong in Bosnia and to legitimise the former's presence in the ancient Serbian territory of Bosnia. The facts are actually the other way around, which at least the European media has (at times) correctly portrayed.
The European peacekeepers and even Canadian ones have written about this, and that most of the horrid atrocities committed were by the extremely fundamentalist Albanian factions (funded and supported by Iranian, Taliban and Arabian fundamentalist groups) against the Serbians. But the US has an inexplicable(?) interest in showing that things are the opposite from what they seem. See for instance Koenraad Elst's article "The Rushdie Rules" at http://www.meforum.org/article/395, it states: "the French nationalist author of Islamism and the United States: An Alliance against Europe, which sees a conspiracy in America's pressure on the European Union to admit Turkey and its all-out American support for the Bosnian Muslims."
The US has given all-out support for the Albanian presence in Kosovo, where they are called "Kosovar", once again to legitimise their claim to the place in the minds of the gullible people influenced by the media outside former Yugoslavia.
Anyway, this is a forum about the AIT and not the hideous international politics on Yugoslavia.
Thank you for all the information you have given. That bit on Johanna Nichols is also very interesting and I had not come across it before.
I have read most of the articles of Koenraad Elst available on his website, but I do not think I have read all of the papers of his that you've linked to. I will read them now.
Read the following article, especially paragraphs where the word 'Durga' appears:
http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/re...rgent.html
As for linguistics, I have always been certain that there are other equally valid explanations for the linguistic affinities to build scenarios other than the "Into India" versions. The fact that Witzel and those who share his view do not consider them and are missing vital bits of information (which contradict their preconceived ideas and others that can be construed to support views opposing their own), merely implies that they are too heavily entrenched in one paradigm.
That is, if they are true scientists. If they aren't, there might be other reasons as to why they are so blindly pro-AIT that they are ignoring or misunderstanding alternative data.
Other reasons that can be highlighted include:
"Increasingly, Hinduism is identified by the international public with the caste system and nothing but the caste system. The caste system, in turn, is painted in the ugliest colors: as a racist Apartheid system designed to oppress the native population. These notions are eagerly welcomed and amplified by outside forces such as Christian missionary centers, followed by their Islamic counterparts. Till recently, American foreign policy agencies made no secret of their designs on India's unity. When she was US ambassador to the UN, Mrs. Jean Kirkpatrick once said that "the break-up of India is one of the goals of the American foreign policy." Patrick Moynihan, who had held the same job, said more recently, "After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the artificial state India is also bound to break up." - Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar - By Koenraad Elst
(from http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Caste_System.htm)
And from http://www.atributetohinduism.com/Islami...aught.htm:
Marxist historian, Romila Thapar cheerfully predicted that India won't be able to stay together. Effectively, to a question about secessionist movements, she was quoted as saying, and did indeed say to the Le Monde interviewers: "What one can foresee, perhaps, for the end of the next century, is a series of small states federated within a more viable single economic space on the scale of the subcontinent."
It is strange that Witzel should wish to work with communists like Romila Thapar.
In addition to all this, Time Magazine repeatedly depicts Jammu & Kashmir as an independent land and not a state of India, which, however contested by our neighbours, is still under Indian governance.
US foreign policy and their media are doing the same to India that they have done to the very unfortunate Serbians. Bosnia in the US media is depicted as belonging to the Albanian Muslim people by repeatedly beating us over the head with "the Bosnians" for the Albanian presence and "the Serbs" for the Serbians to indicate the latter do not belong in Bosnia and to legitimise the former's presence in the ancient Serbian territory of Bosnia. The facts are actually the other way around, which at least the European media has (at times) correctly portrayed.
The European peacekeepers and even Canadian ones have written about this, and that most of the horrid atrocities committed were by the extremely fundamentalist Albanian factions (funded and supported by Iranian, Taliban and Arabian fundamentalist groups) against the Serbians. But the US has an inexplicable(?) interest in showing that things are the opposite from what they seem. See for instance Koenraad Elst's article "The Rushdie Rules" at http://www.meforum.org/article/395, it states: "the French nationalist author of Islamism and the United States: An Alliance against Europe, which sees a conspiracy in America's pressure on the European Union to admit Turkey and its all-out American support for the Bosnian Muslims."
The US has given all-out support for the Albanian presence in Kosovo, where they are called "Kosovar", once again to legitimise their claim to the place in the minds of the gullible people influenced by the media outside former Yugoslavia.
Anyway, this is a forum about the AIT and not the hideous international politics on Yugoslavia.