12-02-2005, 11:19 AM
I'LL AGAIN USE CAPS TO DISTINGUISH. DONT MIND.
Benami, you are too quick to jump the gun.. This debate belongs to Religion forum and not the Bengal History forum. If interested we can take it up there.
I AM NOT. I STARTED A HISTORY-OF-BENGAL FORUM AND WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT ONLY TILL IT SPIRALED INTO A WITCH HUNT THREAD. NEVER DID <b>I</b> INTEND THIS THREAD TO DISCUSS HINDUISM OR BRAHMO SAMAJ.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->SO HOW COME ALL HINDUS SEND THEIR DAUGHTERS TO STUDY AND DONT MARRY THEM OFF AT 14 AND WIDOWS DONT END UP SATI-FIED.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because education for women is integral to Hinduism which exhalts Saraswathi as the Goddess of Learning. The Dharma Shastras, and also the Kamasutra talks about educating women. You can see from Artha Shastra that women were employed in government services and were well educated.
Hindus donât send their girls to be "Sati-fied" (if that's a word) because the Islamic Sword is not as scathing as it used to be. The plundering and slave trade have stopped. Thus Sati (which is not a hindu custom at all, and not found in Manu Smrithi or Artha Shastra) is discarded. Have you ever heard of Sati system in South India? Or in places where Islamic hordes did not venture?
YES I KNOW ALL THAT.
BUT AFTER 800 YEARS OF ISLAMISATION, WOMEN'S STATUS IN HINDU SOCIETY WAS NO BETTER THAN IN ARAB SOCIETY. I AM SURE YOU KNOW THAT. IN SOCIALLY BACKWARD PARTS OF INDIA, EARLY MARRIAGE, DOWRY, AND OTHER CRAP STIL GOES ON.
I KNOW WHAT FUELED SATI. I WROTE ABOUT IT IN ANOTHER THREAD TOO. (GANDHI'S LEGACY TREAD).
I SAID AND MAINTAIN THAT ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE WERE PULLED OUT OF THE SOCIAL MESS WAS BRAHMO SAMAJ AND ITS STRESS ON CORE VEDIC VALUES.
YOU POINT OUT THAT SOUTH INDIA DIDNT HAVE SATI.
LET ME POINT OUT THAT BENGAL SIMILARLY <b>DOES NOT</b> HAVE THE SORT OF SOCIAL INEQUALITY PRESENT IN FOR EXAMPLE RAJASTHAN OR U.P. YET SATI AND CRAP WAS AS PRESENT IN 18TH CENRURY BENGAL AS IN ANY OTHER PART OF ISLAMISED INDIA.
SOME PEOPLE SHOWED THE LIGHT.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HMM OK. I WAS TALKING ABOUT RAM MOHON ROY.
BUT EVEN THEN, KESAB CHANDRA SEN HAD MORE TO HIM THE HIS MYOPIC LOVE AND INFATUATION FOR CHRISTIANITY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would like to know what was more to Keshab Chandra than his love for Xtianity.
USE GOOGLE. READ BOOKS.
AND IF YOU ARE HELL BENT TO BELIEVE THAT ALL HE WAS WAS A CHRISTIANITY LOVING PERSON, THEN YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO SO.
I JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR PLUSSES AND NOT BY A FEW MINUSES THEY MAY HAVE HAD. AND IF HE WAS THE MISSIONARY THAT YOU SUGGEST HE WAS, THEN THE EFFECTS WOULD SHOW AND PEOPLE IN BENGAL WOULD HAVE CONVERTED ENMASS. BUT THATS JUST IN GOA, KERELA AND NAGALAND, MIZORAM ETC.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND ALSO SOME OF THE FINER POINTS OF HINDUISM AS SPECIFIED IN THE VEDAS WERE REVIVED WHILE CRAPPIER PARTS LIKE SUPERSTITION AND IDOL WORSHIP (SOME BLACK STONE IS FOUND IN SOME CORNER - NEXT DAY IT BECOMES A TEMPLE. THAT KIND OF CRAP) WAS WEEDED OUT.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting that you give a certificate of goodness and crappiness for the content of the Vedas. How much Vedic knowledge do you have that we can start a debate on the vedic injunctions. Which Vedas are you quoting in the example of Idol Worships, and what proof do you have that there are superstitions in the Vedas ?
I GAVE NO CERTIFICATE.
STOP MISCONSTRUING ME.
WHEN DID I SAY THAT THERE ARE IDOL WORSHIP AND SYUPERSTITIONS IN THE VEDS.
READ MY POST CAREFULLY. (IE. finer points of the vedas etc)
I SAID WHEREAS THE VEDAS ARE LOFTY, ITS INTERPRETATIONS OFTEN SPIRALLED INTO SUPERSTITIOUS CRAP AND BLIND IDOL WORSHIP. the crappier PARTS I MENTION ARE DUE TO THE HALFWIT INTERPRETATIONS OF VEDS BY HINDUS AND HINDU SOCIETY.
VEDIC HINDUISM IS A LOT MORE LIKE THAT OF THE BRAHMO SAMAJ THAT WHAT WE USED TO SEE ALL OVER INDIA IN 1800ISH AND STILL DO IN SOME PARTS.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND HAVING MET MANY BRAHMOS I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT DAYANAND HAS TO SAY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If meeting alone is a criteria, then perhaps you should meet more Arya Samajis. This would tilt the balance in AryaSamaj's favour. How many Arya Samajis have you met and discussed with so far ?
I AM NOT GOING TO GO INTO A BOXING MATCH BETWEEN THESE TWO REFORM MOVEMENTS. IF THATS YOUR INTENTION, SORRY I WONT BITE.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->THAT THE PEOPLE OF BENGAL NEVER FOUND MUCH INTEREST IN ACCEPTING XIANITY AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF INDIA, AND THAT THE LEVEL OF SOCIAL JUSTICE IN BENGAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY HIGH EVER SINCE THE BRAHMO SAMAJ, VINDICATES THAT THE INTENTIONS OF THE SAMAJ WAS SUCCESSFUL.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If xtianity had no lure or interest in bengal, then what was the need to adopt an xtian outlook of the "Veds" as you call them?
ER, ITS PRECISELY BECAUSE A X-IAN OUTLOK OF THE VEDS WAS ADOPTED THAT THE PEOPLE OF BENGAL HAVE NO LURE FOR CHRISTIANITY.
READ CAREFULLY INSTEAD OF JUMPING THE GUN.
Give me ONE point, I am not asking you for two or ten, give me ONE valid point that Xtianity or Islam has which is UNIQUE *and* Superior to Sanathana Dharma. Just ONE. (I have asked many ppl this question, including missionaries and Jehova's witnesses, but could not get a proper answer.)
I DONT LIKE THIS "YOUR MOMMA" BETWEEN RELIGIONS YOU ARE TRYING TO DRAG ME INTO.
ITS NOT AS IF MONOTHEISM IS SUPERIOR. ITS JUST THAT THE ENGLISHAND THE MISSIONARIES WERE HAMMERING IT IN, DAY AND NIGHT THAT POLYTHEISM IS PAGAN, THAT IDOL WORSHIP IS ANIMISTIC AND OTHER CRAP.
SO LEST GULLIBLE PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS HARD SELLING OF ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS, THEY (THE HINDUS) WERE TOLD THAT THEIR RELIGION TOO HAS THE SAME ASPECTS IF LOOKED AT IN CERTAIN WAYS.
ITS LIKE YOU HAVE A TAPE RECORDER AND THEN THERE IS SOME COMPANY TRYING TO LURE YOU INTO USING RADIOS.
THEN YOUR TAPE COMPANY POINTS OUT THAT YOUR TAPE IS ACTUALLY A 2-IN-1 AND CAN DOUBLE IN AS A RADIO TO. NOW ANY ATTRACTION YOU MAY HAVE FELT FOR RADIOS IS NEGETED.
TREES ARE KNOWN BY THEIR FRUITS.
FEW IF ANY HINDUS HAVE CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY, AND SOCIAL INJUSTICE HAS BEEN RENDERED A THING OF THE PAST.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BUT PRETTY MUCH THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE - COS THE BRAHMO SAMAJ MANAGED TO MAKE HINDUS AWARE OF THE BETTER ASPECTS OF HINDUISM WHILEST ENCOURAGING THEM TO CHUCH THE CORRUPTIONS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Gauranga who prevented the seepage.
THEY DID ANOTHER SORT OF PACKAGING.
THEY COUNTERED THE MISSIONARY STYLE HARDSELLING BY A HINDU MISSIONARY (RK MISSION) BODY WHICH WOULD PREACH PEOPLE ABOUT THE +VES OF THEIR RELIGION.
YES THIS TOO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HOLDING HINDUS BACK TO THE FOLD.
ALSO EVEN WITHOUT THE RK"MISSION" AS SUCH, THE VERY COMMING OF SOMEONE LIKE RAMKRISHNA INCREASED THE RELIGIOUS FERVOUR AMONGST THE PEOPLE. THE SAME WAY TILAK'S REVIVAL OF THE GANESH PUJA IN MAHARASHTRA GALVANISED THE PEOPLE AND HELPED THEM TAKE PART IN THEIR IDENTITY.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HE WAS RIGHT THOUGH. IN A WAY HE DIDNT EVEN SUSPECT.OUT OF INDIA THEORY.
AND YES KESHAB CHANDRA SEN WAS NOT QUITE A BOSE. NOR WERE VERY MANY OTHER INDIANS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that makes him great?
DID I SAY THAT ???
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->YES. BUT CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE LOWER CHRISTIANS AND HIGHER.
SLAVERY WAS COS OF SKIN COLOUR DIFFERENCE.
NONE OF THE ABRAHAMIC SOCIETIES ARE DIVIDED BY BIRTH.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps you have not read the bible. Read Deuteronomy and then post your reply.
I KNOW ABOUT DEUTERONOMY AND THE SLAVE OWINING TENETS WRITTEN THERE.
THATS OLD TESTAMENT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TRIBAL HISTORY.
I MAINTAIN, THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE A FAR MORE DEMOCRATIC CORPUS, AND DONT HAVE THE PRISON HOUSE OF CASTE SYSTEM (AS WE KNOW IT, UNTOUCHABILITY AND ALL).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ITS ONE THING TO POINT OUT THAT LOWER CASTRE CONEVERTS INTO ISLAM AND x-IANITY ARE MISTREATED - AND QUITE ANOTHER TO PROVE THAT THEIR BOOKS SAY THEY SHOULD SEGREGATE.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The joke is on the converts. In Christian mythology, God tells Abraham that he has a covenant only with Abraham and his seed and his slaves that he purchased. No one other than the children of Israel are entitled to Heaven. Jesus too confirms that. I advise you to read the bible.
THATS IN JEWISH MYTHOLOGY, NOT CHRISTIAN ORIGINALLY.
WHERE AS THE JEWS ARE JEWS BY BIRTH (AND THUS ARE AN ETHNICITY) THE CHRISTIANS TAKE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE GLOBE.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BESIDES INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THIS SEGREGATION TAKES PLACE AMONGST MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS - SO I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS AN ASPECT THEY LEARNT FROM HINDUS AND DOESNT EXIST IN THEIR RELIGIONS PER SE'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read the Quran - a Manual on Jehad. Understand Islam thru Hadiths.
DONT NEED TO.
I JUST PREFER TO LOOK AROUND.
HAVE YOU SEEN LESSER AND GREATER MUSLIMS??
HAVE YOU SEEN SOME MUSLIMS BEING KEPT AWAY FROM MOSQUES WHILE OTHERS ARE ALLOWED (IN COUNTRIES OUTSIDE INDIA) ??
THEY PRAY TOGETHER. PRINCE AND PAUPER FORGET ABOUT THEIR EARTHLY STATUS AND BIRTH AND PRAY TOGETHER. THEY EAT IFTAR TOGETHER AND THE "LOWER" MUSLIMS ARE NOT ASKED TO EAT OUTSIDE.
MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIONS FOR ALL THEIR FAULTS ARE A LOT MORE DEMOCRATIC AND EGALITARIAN, AS ARE BUDDHISM AND JAINISM.
TO USE A WESTERN CHICHE, - (LEARN TO) GIVE THE DEVIL ITS DUE.
Benami, you are too quick to jump the gun.. This debate belongs to Religion forum and not the Bengal History forum. If interested we can take it up there.
I AM NOT. I STARTED A HISTORY-OF-BENGAL FORUM AND WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT ONLY TILL IT SPIRALED INTO A WITCH HUNT THREAD. NEVER DID <b>I</b> INTEND THIS THREAD TO DISCUSS HINDUISM OR BRAHMO SAMAJ.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->SO HOW COME ALL HINDUS SEND THEIR DAUGHTERS TO STUDY AND DONT MARRY THEM OFF AT 14 AND WIDOWS DONT END UP SATI-FIED.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because education for women is integral to Hinduism which exhalts Saraswathi as the Goddess of Learning. The Dharma Shastras, and also the Kamasutra talks about educating women. You can see from Artha Shastra that women were employed in government services and were well educated.
Hindus donât send their girls to be "Sati-fied" (if that's a word) because the Islamic Sword is not as scathing as it used to be. The plundering and slave trade have stopped. Thus Sati (which is not a hindu custom at all, and not found in Manu Smrithi or Artha Shastra) is discarded. Have you ever heard of Sati system in South India? Or in places where Islamic hordes did not venture?
YES I KNOW ALL THAT.
BUT AFTER 800 YEARS OF ISLAMISATION, WOMEN'S STATUS IN HINDU SOCIETY WAS NO BETTER THAN IN ARAB SOCIETY. I AM SURE YOU KNOW THAT. IN SOCIALLY BACKWARD PARTS OF INDIA, EARLY MARRIAGE, DOWRY, AND OTHER CRAP STIL GOES ON.
I KNOW WHAT FUELED SATI. I WROTE ABOUT IT IN ANOTHER THREAD TOO. (GANDHI'S LEGACY TREAD).
I SAID AND MAINTAIN THAT ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE WERE PULLED OUT OF THE SOCIAL MESS WAS BRAHMO SAMAJ AND ITS STRESS ON CORE VEDIC VALUES.
YOU POINT OUT THAT SOUTH INDIA DIDNT HAVE SATI.
LET ME POINT OUT THAT BENGAL SIMILARLY <b>DOES NOT</b> HAVE THE SORT OF SOCIAL INEQUALITY PRESENT IN FOR EXAMPLE RAJASTHAN OR U.P. YET SATI AND CRAP WAS AS PRESENT IN 18TH CENRURY BENGAL AS IN ANY OTHER PART OF ISLAMISED INDIA.
SOME PEOPLE SHOWED THE LIGHT.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HMM OK. I WAS TALKING ABOUT RAM MOHON ROY.
BUT EVEN THEN, KESAB CHANDRA SEN HAD MORE TO HIM THE HIS MYOPIC LOVE AND INFATUATION FOR CHRISTIANITY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I would like to know what was more to Keshab Chandra than his love for Xtianity.
USE GOOGLE. READ BOOKS.
AND IF YOU ARE HELL BENT TO BELIEVE THAT ALL HE WAS WAS A CHRISTIANITY LOVING PERSON, THEN YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO SO.
I JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR PLUSSES AND NOT BY A FEW MINUSES THEY MAY HAVE HAD. AND IF HE WAS THE MISSIONARY THAT YOU SUGGEST HE WAS, THEN THE EFFECTS WOULD SHOW AND PEOPLE IN BENGAL WOULD HAVE CONVERTED ENMASS. BUT THATS JUST IN GOA, KERELA AND NAGALAND, MIZORAM ETC.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND ALSO SOME OF THE FINER POINTS OF HINDUISM AS SPECIFIED IN THE VEDAS WERE REVIVED WHILE CRAPPIER PARTS LIKE SUPERSTITION AND IDOL WORSHIP (SOME BLACK STONE IS FOUND IN SOME CORNER - NEXT DAY IT BECOMES A TEMPLE. THAT KIND OF CRAP) WAS WEEDED OUT.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting that you give a certificate of goodness and crappiness for the content of the Vedas. How much Vedic knowledge do you have that we can start a debate on the vedic injunctions. Which Vedas are you quoting in the example of Idol Worships, and what proof do you have that there are superstitions in the Vedas ?
I GAVE NO CERTIFICATE.
STOP MISCONSTRUING ME.
WHEN DID I SAY THAT THERE ARE IDOL WORSHIP AND SYUPERSTITIONS IN THE VEDS.
READ MY POST CAREFULLY. (IE. finer points of the vedas etc)
I SAID WHEREAS THE VEDAS ARE LOFTY, ITS INTERPRETATIONS OFTEN SPIRALLED INTO SUPERSTITIOUS CRAP AND BLIND IDOL WORSHIP. the crappier PARTS I MENTION ARE DUE TO THE HALFWIT INTERPRETATIONS OF VEDS BY HINDUS AND HINDU SOCIETY.
VEDIC HINDUISM IS A LOT MORE LIKE THAT OF THE BRAHMO SAMAJ THAT WHAT WE USED TO SEE ALL OVER INDIA IN 1800ISH AND STILL DO IN SOME PARTS.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->AND HAVING MET MANY BRAHMOS I DONT AGREE WITH WHAT DAYANAND HAS TO SAY.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If meeting alone is a criteria, then perhaps you should meet more Arya Samajis. This would tilt the balance in AryaSamaj's favour. How many Arya Samajis have you met and discussed with so far ?
I AM NOT GOING TO GO INTO A BOXING MATCH BETWEEN THESE TWO REFORM MOVEMENTS. IF THATS YOUR INTENTION, SORRY I WONT BITE.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->THAT THE PEOPLE OF BENGAL NEVER FOUND MUCH INTEREST IN ACCEPTING XIANITY AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF INDIA, AND THAT THE LEVEL OF SOCIAL JUSTICE IN BENGAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY HIGH EVER SINCE THE BRAHMO SAMAJ, VINDICATES THAT THE INTENTIONS OF THE SAMAJ WAS SUCCESSFUL.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If xtianity had no lure or interest in bengal, then what was the need to adopt an xtian outlook of the "Veds" as you call them?
ER, ITS PRECISELY BECAUSE A X-IAN OUTLOK OF THE VEDS WAS ADOPTED THAT THE PEOPLE OF BENGAL HAVE NO LURE FOR CHRISTIANITY.
READ CAREFULLY INSTEAD OF JUMPING THE GUN.
Give me ONE point, I am not asking you for two or ten, give me ONE valid point that Xtianity or Islam has which is UNIQUE *and* Superior to Sanathana Dharma. Just ONE. (I have asked many ppl this question, including missionaries and Jehova's witnesses, but could not get a proper answer.)
I DONT LIKE THIS "YOUR MOMMA" BETWEEN RELIGIONS YOU ARE TRYING TO DRAG ME INTO.
ITS NOT AS IF MONOTHEISM IS SUPERIOR. ITS JUST THAT THE ENGLISHAND THE MISSIONARIES WERE HAMMERING IT IN, DAY AND NIGHT THAT POLYTHEISM IS PAGAN, THAT IDOL WORSHIP IS ANIMISTIC AND OTHER CRAP.
SO LEST GULLIBLE PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS HARD SELLING OF ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS, THEY (THE HINDUS) WERE TOLD THAT THEIR RELIGION TOO HAS THE SAME ASPECTS IF LOOKED AT IN CERTAIN WAYS.
ITS LIKE YOU HAVE A TAPE RECORDER AND THEN THERE IS SOME COMPANY TRYING TO LURE YOU INTO USING RADIOS.
THEN YOUR TAPE COMPANY POINTS OUT THAT YOUR TAPE IS ACTUALLY A 2-IN-1 AND CAN DOUBLE IN AS A RADIO TO. NOW ANY ATTRACTION YOU MAY HAVE FELT FOR RADIOS IS NEGETED.
TREES ARE KNOWN BY THEIR FRUITS.
FEW IF ANY HINDUS HAVE CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY, AND SOCIAL INJUSTICE HAS BEEN RENDERED A THING OF THE PAST.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BUT PRETTY MUCH THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE - COS THE BRAHMO SAMAJ MANAGED TO MAKE HINDUS AWARE OF THE BETTER ASPECTS OF HINDUISM WHILEST ENCOURAGING THEM TO CHUCH THE CORRUPTIONS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I thought it was Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Gauranga who prevented the seepage.
THEY DID ANOTHER SORT OF PACKAGING.
THEY COUNTERED THE MISSIONARY STYLE HARDSELLING BY A HINDU MISSIONARY (RK MISSION) BODY WHICH WOULD PREACH PEOPLE ABOUT THE +VES OF THEIR RELIGION.
YES THIS TOO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HOLDING HINDUS BACK TO THE FOLD.
ALSO EVEN WITHOUT THE RK"MISSION" AS SUCH, THE VERY COMMING OF SOMEONE LIKE RAMKRISHNA INCREASED THE RELIGIOUS FERVOUR AMONGST THE PEOPLE. THE SAME WAY TILAK'S REVIVAL OF THE GANESH PUJA IN MAHARASHTRA GALVANISED THE PEOPLE AND HELPED THEM TAKE PART IN THEIR IDENTITY.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HE WAS RIGHT THOUGH. IN A WAY HE DIDNT EVEN SUSPECT.OUT OF INDIA THEORY.
AND YES KESHAB CHANDRA SEN WAS NOT QUITE A BOSE. NOR WERE VERY MANY OTHER INDIANS.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And that makes him great?
DID I SAY THAT ???
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->YES. BUT CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE LOWER CHRISTIANS AND HIGHER.
SLAVERY WAS COS OF SKIN COLOUR DIFFERENCE.
NONE OF THE ABRAHAMIC SOCIETIES ARE DIVIDED BY BIRTH.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps you have not read the bible. Read Deuteronomy and then post your reply.
I KNOW ABOUT DEUTERONOMY AND THE SLAVE OWINING TENETS WRITTEN THERE.
THATS OLD TESTAMENT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TRIBAL HISTORY.
I MAINTAIN, THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE A FAR MORE DEMOCRATIC CORPUS, AND DONT HAVE THE PRISON HOUSE OF CASTE SYSTEM (AS WE KNOW IT, UNTOUCHABILITY AND ALL).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ITS ONE THING TO POINT OUT THAT LOWER CASTRE CONEVERTS INTO ISLAM AND x-IANITY ARE MISTREATED - AND QUITE ANOTHER TO PROVE THAT THEIR BOOKS SAY THEY SHOULD SEGREGATE.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The joke is on the converts. In Christian mythology, God tells Abraham that he has a covenant only with Abraham and his seed and his slaves that he purchased. No one other than the children of Israel are entitled to Heaven. Jesus too confirms that. I advise you to read the bible.
THATS IN JEWISH MYTHOLOGY, NOT CHRISTIAN ORIGINALLY.
WHERE AS THE JEWS ARE JEWS BY BIRTH (AND THUS ARE AN ETHNICITY) THE CHRISTIANS TAKE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE GLOBE.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BESIDES INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THIS SEGREGATION TAKES PLACE AMONGST MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS - SO I HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS IS AN ASPECT THEY LEARNT FROM HINDUS AND DOESNT EXIST IN THEIR RELIGIONS PER SE'.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read the Quran - a Manual on Jehad. Understand Islam thru Hadiths.
DONT NEED TO.
I JUST PREFER TO LOOK AROUND.
HAVE YOU SEEN LESSER AND GREATER MUSLIMS??
HAVE YOU SEEN SOME MUSLIMS BEING KEPT AWAY FROM MOSQUES WHILE OTHERS ARE ALLOWED (IN COUNTRIES OUTSIDE INDIA) ??
THEY PRAY TOGETHER. PRINCE AND PAUPER FORGET ABOUT THEIR EARTHLY STATUS AND BIRTH AND PRAY TOGETHER. THEY EAT IFTAR TOGETHER AND THE "LOWER" MUSLIMS ARE NOT ASKED TO EAT OUTSIDE.
MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIONS FOR ALL THEIR FAULTS ARE A LOT MORE DEMOCRATIC AND EGALITARIAN, AS ARE BUDDHISM AND JAINISM.
TO USE A WESTERN CHICHE, - (LEARN TO) GIVE THE DEVIL ITS DUE.