12-17-2005, 04:33 AM
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--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Interesting discussion going on , there is one incident from the uttarakanda of the ramayana .
the nature of the incident is dubious , many claim it to be a late addition of dravidian movement propaganda machine ramaswami .
yet kalidasa mentions it in his raghuvamsa and Bhavabhuti in uttara rama charitra , if these works were also tampered with am not sure of.
This incident has been used to browbeat the hindus about the caste system ,once again i repeat my personal opinion is the incident is of dubious nature but often questions are raised against so want to have a strong answer to defend .
The incident in question is Shambuka Vadha
In rama rajya the son of a young brahmin couple dies a untimely death , in ancient india if a son dies before the father , it means grave unjustice is happening and the king is held responsible , when the issue is brought befor lord rama and he is accused of the boy's death , Lord rama gets agitated and is informed it might be due to the penances of shambuka who being a chandala
is not entitled to learn the vedas.
and he having learnt them in secret overhearing them , is practising austerities in the forest to attain swarga and to enter it with his physical body.
Rama flies into a rage , proceeds to the forest and slays Shambuka ,who while dying praises rama and the dead boy comes back to life.
Rama is hailed by the present devatas from the sky.
This flies against all the message of the ramayana , shabari a tribal is a great devottee , the king of the bhils is a great friend of rama and a great devotee and many more incidents.
then why shambuka ???? is this incident real at all ?? or totallly a falsification of the actual fact.
if it happened what is the actual take , wish to see senior members respond with a good debunking with references .
<!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> would give me a chance to get back to those lefties after all these years.
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Interesting discussion going on , there is one incident from the uttarakanda of the ramayana .the nature of the incident is dubious , many claim it to be a late addition of dravidian movement propaganda machine ramaswami .
yet kalidasa mentions it in his raghuvamsa and Bhavabhuti in uttara rama charitra , if these works were also tampered with am not sure of.
This incident has been used to browbeat the hindus about the caste system ,once again i repeat my personal opinion is the incident is of dubious nature but often questions are raised against so want to have a strong answer to defend .
The incident in question is Shambuka Vadha
In rama rajya the son of a young brahmin couple dies a untimely death , in ancient india if a son dies before the father , it means grave unjustice is happening and the king is held responsible , when the issue is brought befor lord rama and he is accused of the boy's death , Lord rama gets agitated and is informed it might be due to the penances of shambuka who being a chandala
is not entitled to learn the vedas.
and he having learnt them in secret overhearing them , is practising austerities in the forest to attain swarga and to enter it with his physical body.
Rama flies into a rage , proceeds to the forest and slays Shambuka ,who while dying praises rama and the dead boy comes back to life.
Rama is hailed by the present devatas from the sky.
This flies against all the message of the ramayana , shabari a tribal is a great devottee , the king of the bhils is a great friend of rama and a great devotee and many more incidents.
then why shambuka ???? is this incident real at all ?? or totallly a falsification of the actual fact.
if it happened what is the actual take , wish to see senior members respond with a good debunking with references .
<!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> would give me a chance to get back to those lefties after all these years.