01-24-2006, 08:16 AM
Reason for this thread is the following post by kaushal
The Origin of Mathematics
Following is the important point of that post
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These fabrications, passed on as the modern historiography for India, were officially inaugurated with the willful mix-up of Chandragupta Maurya (reigned 1534â1500 B.C.) and Chandragupta (327â320 B.C.) of the Gupta dynasty, by making the former a coeval of Alexander the Great, and by erasing the latterâs reference altogether. Thanks to the inventive and resourceful William Jones of the IHS, the entire chronology of events was summarily shortened by more than 1,200 years. Consequently, the times of ancient astronomers and mathematicians had to be moved into the Christian era. Another ambitious and influential Indologist, Max Mueller, concocted the age of the Rig Veda to be 1200 B.C., with the stipulation it was written by nomadic Aryans (riding on horseback, presumably with a mobile library). Actually, the Rig Veda was compiled well before 3000 B.C. Contrary to popular belief, Gautam Buddha lived during 1887â1807 B.C., and the short but remarkable lifeâs mission of Adi Shankaracharya was accomplished between 509 and 477 B.C.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the above are true it has so much significance since it is not the way we learnt history and should turn around the way we see things. Before taking this point to public I would like to debate/discuss about it and validate against the material evidences we have. People who know it better, please contribute.
1. Buddha is said to have lived in 1800s BC
- Are there any evidence that Buddhism was practiced in India around 1500BC?
- There are many museums in India, China, Nepal and Sri Lanka which suposed to have have many relics of Buddha, like tooth, nail, hair etc. Did anybody say that they date back to the era Buddha lived?
2. Maurya Empire in 1500BC
- I don't think it disputes Chanakya was a contemporary of Chandragupta Maurya. During Chanakya's time Takshashila and Nalanda Universities were very prominent. If so, do the stones and other materials we get from Nalanda and Takshashila date back to more than 1500BC?
- Ashoka was the grandson of Chandragupta Maurya. When he spread Buddhism all across globe, are there any evidence that Buddhism was practiced in Central Asia and China around 1000BC?
- Ashoka built Sanchi Stupa at Saranath. Does radio carbon dating of materials there date back to 1500BC?
3. Gupta Empire in 300BC
- If Gupta empire was in 300BC, what is the Gupta empire that we know as current Gupta empire?
4. Shankaracharya in 500BC
- I read many times that Kanchi Mutt was 2500 years old and I never understood how. If Shankaracharya lived in 500BC, that would explain.
- Shankaracharya's mission was to bring back vedic way of life
- Then Buddhism's decline must have started around that time
- But we still had Buddhist empires after this period.
Do we have evidence for the above? How did people prove the post Kaushal made.
The Origin of Mathematics
Following is the important point of that post
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These fabrications, passed on as the modern historiography for India, were officially inaugurated with the willful mix-up of Chandragupta Maurya (reigned 1534â1500 B.C.) and Chandragupta (327â320 B.C.) of the Gupta dynasty, by making the former a coeval of Alexander the Great, and by erasing the latterâs reference altogether. Thanks to the inventive and resourceful William Jones of the IHS, the entire chronology of events was summarily shortened by more than 1,200 years. Consequently, the times of ancient astronomers and mathematicians had to be moved into the Christian era. Another ambitious and influential Indologist, Max Mueller, concocted the age of the Rig Veda to be 1200 B.C., with the stipulation it was written by nomadic Aryans (riding on horseback, presumably with a mobile library). Actually, the Rig Veda was compiled well before 3000 B.C. Contrary to popular belief, Gautam Buddha lived during 1887â1807 B.C., and the short but remarkable lifeâs mission of Adi Shankaracharya was accomplished between 509 and 477 B.C.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the above are true it has so much significance since it is not the way we learnt history and should turn around the way we see things. Before taking this point to public I would like to debate/discuss about it and validate against the material evidences we have. People who know it better, please contribute.
1. Buddha is said to have lived in 1800s BC
- Are there any evidence that Buddhism was practiced in India around 1500BC?
- There are many museums in India, China, Nepal and Sri Lanka which suposed to have have many relics of Buddha, like tooth, nail, hair etc. Did anybody say that they date back to the era Buddha lived?
2. Maurya Empire in 1500BC
- I don't think it disputes Chanakya was a contemporary of Chandragupta Maurya. During Chanakya's time Takshashila and Nalanda Universities were very prominent. If so, do the stones and other materials we get from Nalanda and Takshashila date back to more than 1500BC?
- Ashoka was the grandson of Chandragupta Maurya. When he spread Buddhism all across globe, are there any evidence that Buddhism was practiced in Central Asia and China around 1000BC?
- Ashoka built Sanchi Stupa at Saranath. Does radio carbon dating of materials there date back to 1500BC?
3. Gupta Empire in 300BC
- If Gupta empire was in 300BC, what is the Gupta empire that we know as current Gupta empire?
4. Shankaracharya in 500BC
- I read many times that Kanchi Mutt was 2500 years old and I never understood how. If Shankaracharya lived in 500BC, that would explain.
- Shankaracharya's mission was to bring back vedic way of life
- Then Buddhism's decline must have started around that time
- But we still had Buddhist empires after this period.
Do we have evidence for the above? How did people prove the post Kaushal made.