01-24-2006, 08:41 AM
<b>Ben Ami,</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->in my book, ww2Â .... freed 3 score countries and 3 billion people<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think you misunderstood my position. From where I stand WWII was a very necessary war, so on that point we are both agreed. I am glad that the Hindu Mahasabha made the decision they did. It was the right thing to do, as were their reasons for doing so.
However I spoke of Netaji, and the fact that he took the wrong <i>side</i> in the war. For someone as apparently confused as he was, it would have been better <i>for him</i> not to have chosen any side rather than the wrong one. There were more choices than siding with either Britain or nazi Germany, even if he could not see it.
The right thing would have been to follow Aurobindo's insistence to take up the sword against nazism, but Netaji doesn't seem to have considered right or wrong - only "patriotism" which meant something else for him than it does for Aurobindo et al.
<b>Bharatvarsh,</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->due to the Cold War not enough credit has been given to Russia and it continues down to this day<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sadly true. In fact, because of the relentless propaganda against Russia - witness how it is automatically a suspect in the recent sabotage of the oil pipe or something in Georgia - many Russians have started to harbour and internalise low opinions about their own country. Russia is no longer communist, so why the censure against it?*
They suffer from some of the same symptoms that Indians have. They're continuously told they are worthless and some of them have started believing it. Though the Russians are no longer portrayed as the villains in <i>every</i> film nowadays, they are still seriously downplayed. Just a week ago I watched a US film where an American stated as if fact that "even the best looking Russian women look like men". It's this sort of negative talk, repeated ad nauseum, that forces people to feel inferior and convinces others that it must be true. But they've obviously never seen Russian women (or men), who must be the best looking among the "European"-looking people.
*Recently, Noam Chomsky appears to have predicted that Russian and Eastern-European transports and pipelines will be sabotaged by the Chechnyans and other Islamic terrorists. Then came the news item on Georgia. I realised that the suspicion that has fallen on Russia is most likely to be unfounded. Russia is not hell-bent on sabotaging its chances for having good relations with neighbouring countries or Europe. In fact, it's the US-influenced Eastern-European countries that have started showing animosity towards Russia.
Many Eastern-European countries who were formerly part of/allied to Russia have been purposefully turned away from Russia by the US in favour of Europe. I think the US thinks of Russia as an impending threat to its own position as a superpower. Which is why from Central Asia to Eastern-Europe there have been so many rigged elections (as admitted by several governments) to bring pro-"European" governments to power. And it's why we see so many US flags being waved on TV in these non-US nations. The US hates it that they can't convince the Belarussians to turn against their natural ally Russia. So they have attempted to start some political terrorism there (as they had in Serbia).
To be fair, the US has serious reasons to fear: Russia <i>is</i> making a large comeback. It's non-communist and working towards something more productive. It has large quantities of natural resources. It has greater manpower and more technical know-how than the US. Even its intelligence services (in the past mocked on US TV) are and have always been better than the CIA. The CIA copied a lot of their technology and methods during the cold war. And except for information leakages little else went in the other direction, as the Russians were better at intelligence gathering.
The US is investing a lot in Balkanising Russia (and India) as it did in Yugoslavia. As analysts have indicated, Yugoslavia was a practise run (how offensive is that?) as well as to find out how much the media could get away with lying about the real situation in distant countries. Europe is another target for the US, but they're not ignorant about it.
The US government is the imperialist British Empire (trying to be) reborn. Pax Americana. Not something I'm looking forward to.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->in my book, ww2Â .... freed 3 score countries and 3 billion people<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think you misunderstood my position. From where I stand WWII was a very necessary war, so on that point we are both agreed. I am glad that the Hindu Mahasabha made the decision they did. It was the right thing to do, as were their reasons for doing so.
However I spoke of Netaji, and the fact that he took the wrong <i>side</i> in the war. For someone as apparently confused as he was, it would have been better <i>for him</i> not to have chosen any side rather than the wrong one. There were more choices than siding with either Britain or nazi Germany, even if he could not see it.
The right thing would have been to follow Aurobindo's insistence to take up the sword against nazism, but Netaji doesn't seem to have considered right or wrong - only "patriotism" which meant something else for him than it does for Aurobindo et al.
<b>Bharatvarsh,</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->due to the Cold War not enough credit has been given to Russia and it continues down to this day<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sadly true. In fact, because of the relentless propaganda against Russia - witness how it is automatically a suspect in the recent sabotage of the oil pipe or something in Georgia - many Russians have started to harbour and internalise low opinions about their own country. Russia is no longer communist, so why the censure against it?*
They suffer from some of the same symptoms that Indians have. They're continuously told they are worthless and some of them have started believing it. Though the Russians are no longer portrayed as the villains in <i>every</i> film nowadays, they are still seriously downplayed. Just a week ago I watched a US film where an American stated as if fact that "even the best looking Russian women look like men". It's this sort of negative talk, repeated ad nauseum, that forces people to feel inferior and convinces others that it must be true. But they've obviously never seen Russian women (or men), who must be the best looking among the "European"-looking people.
*Recently, Noam Chomsky appears to have predicted that Russian and Eastern-European transports and pipelines will be sabotaged by the Chechnyans and other Islamic terrorists. Then came the news item on Georgia. I realised that the suspicion that has fallen on Russia is most likely to be unfounded. Russia is not hell-bent on sabotaging its chances for having good relations with neighbouring countries or Europe. In fact, it's the US-influenced Eastern-European countries that have started showing animosity towards Russia.
Many Eastern-European countries who were formerly part of/allied to Russia have been purposefully turned away from Russia by the US in favour of Europe. I think the US thinks of Russia as an impending threat to its own position as a superpower. Which is why from Central Asia to Eastern-Europe there have been so many rigged elections (as admitted by several governments) to bring pro-"European" governments to power. And it's why we see so many US flags being waved on TV in these non-US nations. The US hates it that they can't convince the Belarussians to turn against their natural ally Russia. So they have attempted to start some political terrorism there (as they had in Serbia).
To be fair, the US has serious reasons to fear: Russia <i>is</i> making a large comeback. It's non-communist and working towards something more productive. It has large quantities of natural resources. It has greater manpower and more technical know-how than the US. Even its intelligence services (in the past mocked on US TV) are and have always been better than the CIA. The CIA copied a lot of their technology and methods during the cold war. And except for information leakages little else went in the other direction, as the Russians were better at intelligence gathering.
The US is investing a lot in Balkanising Russia (and India) as it did in Yugoslavia. As analysts have indicated, Yugoslavia was a practise run (how offensive is that?) as well as to find out how much the media could get away with lying about the real situation in distant countries. Europe is another target for the US, but they're not ignorant about it.
The US government is the imperialist British Empire (trying to be) reborn. Pax Americana. Not something I'm looking forward to.