01-24-2006, 06:05 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sushmita+Jan 24 2006, 09:07 AM-->QUOTE(Sushmita @ Jan 24 2006, 09:07 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I doubt even the visionary Vivekananda could have foreseen the kind of murderers Hitler and his nazis were.
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Were they any worse than the muslims that had invaded India in the past. So Vivekananda must certainly have been aware of the depths to which abrahamic type ideologues of any stripe could sink. These same Muslims in later times did some land grants to Hindu temples, lessened jizia, etc, much like the british after the initial brutal colonization period- of course it was done to increase their parasitization dividends off of the people. So I do not see anything uniquely demonic about the Nazis, they were acting out initial stages of the colonization enterprise. of course they may have had some reason to be angered by WW1 indemnities, but they never had any world colonial prizes like indo-china, americas, india, or china that other colonials had. list of german colonies (off the web):
Africa
* German East Africa
o Tanzania (present-day)
o Rwanda (present-day)
o Burundi (present-day)
* German South West Africa
o Namibia (present-day)
* German West Africa - only for two or three years until separated due to distance.
o Cameroons (Kamerun)
o Togoland (until 1918)
o Togo (present-day)
o parts of Togoland were transferred to Ghana
Pacific
* German New Guinea
o German Solomon Islands
o Caroline Islands (Karolinen)
+ Federated States of Micronesia (present-day)
+ Palau (present-day)
o Mariana Islands (Marianen)
o Nauru
o Marshall Islands
* Samoa
China
* Jiaozhou Bay (Kiautschou)
o Tsingtao
As you can see.. there is nothing very dramatic in these token posseions. Germany was only unified in 1860. By this time, Britain had already fought a mutiny in India. America had colonised N america. French, Belgians were busy in Indo-China. Spain had South America. Russia had Siberia. By eve of WW2, it was simply time for the Germans to come to speed (after their first WW1 attempt had failed).
About Hitler: Was Hitler any more psychotic than a Stalin or a Mao. Still theVietnamese were forced to do business with these psychopaths to throw off the French and then the American colonials. (On top of that, the Vietnamese viscerally hated their Chinese helpers) So by comparision, there was nothing "wrong" per se in Bose allying with the enemy's enemy or rather seeking help from foreign powers. In international matters, there is no right or wrong, there is only your personal interest. If we want, we can even view Bose as India's Ho Chi Minh. ( Ho Chi Minh was foremost a vietanamese nationalist- not a Communist- which the dumb Americans could never understand and probably still don't.)
This is all by way of defending Bose.
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Were they any worse than the muslims that had invaded India in the past. So Vivekananda must certainly have been aware of the depths to which abrahamic type ideologues of any stripe could sink. These same Muslims in later times did some land grants to Hindu temples, lessened jizia, etc, much like the british after the initial brutal colonization period- of course it was done to increase their parasitization dividends off of the people. So I do not see anything uniquely demonic about the Nazis, they were acting out initial stages of the colonization enterprise. of course they may have had some reason to be angered by WW1 indemnities, but they never had any world colonial prizes like indo-china, americas, india, or china that other colonials had. list of german colonies (off the web):
Africa
* German East Africa
o Tanzania (present-day)
o Rwanda (present-day)
o Burundi (present-day)
* German South West Africa
o Namibia (present-day)
* German West Africa - only for two or three years until separated due to distance.
o Cameroons (Kamerun)
o Togoland (until 1918)
o Togo (present-day)
o parts of Togoland were transferred to Ghana
Pacific
* German New Guinea
o German Solomon Islands
o Caroline Islands (Karolinen)
+ Federated States of Micronesia (present-day)
+ Palau (present-day)
o Mariana Islands (Marianen)
o Nauru
o Marshall Islands
* Samoa
China
* Jiaozhou Bay (Kiautschou)
o Tsingtao
As you can see.. there is nothing very dramatic in these token posseions. Germany was only unified in 1860. By this time, Britain had already fought a mutiny in India. America had colonised N america. French, Belgians were busy in Indo-China. Spain had South America. Russia had Siberia. By eve of WW2, it was simply time for the Germans to come to speed (after their first WW1 attempt had failed).
About Hitler: Was Hitler any more psychotic than a Stalin or a Mao. Still theVietnamese were forced to do business with these psychopaths to throw off the French and then the American colonials. (On top of that, the Vietnamese viscerally hated their Chinese helpers) So by comparision, there was nothing "wrong" per se in Bose allying with the enemy's enemy or rather seeking help from foreign powers. In international matters, there is no right or wrong, there is only your personal interest. If we want, we can even view Bose as India's Ho Chi Minh. ( Ho Chi Minh was foremost a vietanamese nationalist- not a Communist- which the dumb Americans could never understand and probably still don't.)
This is all by way of defending Bose.