01-25-2006, 05:07 AM
[quote=Sushmita,Jan 25 2006, 10:11 AM]
Ben Ami,
[quote]sush, but you are talking as if Netaji teamed up with hitler to kill the jews, and not to fight the english.[/quote] I did not say that Netaji teamed up with H to kill the Jews, Romany and homosexuals. I said he shouldn't have teamed up with Hitler - another imperialist (and, unknown to others at the time, also a genocidal maniac).
should or should not is decided by whats the need of the hour, and by the ends at hand. hitler was just a means to arm indians against the poms. netaji frankly could not care less if the muscle came from germans or gremlins.
[quote]but apparently, <b>according to some</b>, one jewish life is worth a 1000 indian lives. so all this dont count. [/quote] You could <i>not possibly</i> be implying me with this statement.
But you're wrong, it's supposed to be "according to <b>most</b>, one Christian or Muslim life is worth millions of Hindu lives."
well you certainly did put the holocaust above all the deaths caused to hindus by the poms. and even were appaled by the prospect of danger that indian jews (of which there are about 20000) faced, so what if indians continued to die under poms.
[quote]their bit to ensure that the holocaust is considered the greatest crime of all time[/quote] It is <i>among</i> the greatest crimes of the 20th century. They're ensuring that it's remembered - fair enough with their tiny population size and considering what the nazis had done. Also, they keep bringing it to our attention since there are people who are denying that the holocaust ever took place (neo-nazis in the US mainly, but with links to universities and the government - surprise, surprise).
yes and indians should do their bit to ensure that no one forgets their genocides and also honour people who put a stop to further hindu genocides in pom hands by making us independent. charity begins at home.
Other countries need to do their bit to make sure no one forgets the crimes committed against them: Under Mao 100 million Chinese died (many due to Mao's famine) and yet no American knows this, but the US knows to whine about the WTC.
When the Bangladesh genocide is mentioned (which is hardly ever) people say 3 million Bangladeshi <i>Muslims</i> were killed by Pakistanis. No, about 80% of them were Hindus, of the others there were considerable numbers of Buddhists also. Another media whitewash.
Having Christianised East Timor, no one focussed on the Christian-Muslim wars there and all eyes of the media was on the killing fields of Cambodia - even though Cambodia and East Timor had comparitive levels of casualties.
The US helped kill countless people in Central and South America, by supplying weapons and supporting terrorist/authoritarian regimes because it suited the US.
Europe indirectly caused the deaths of millions of African people and the wars they caused are still continuing.
The US army was killing and terribly mistreating the South Vietnamese who were supposed to be their allies - because the army was trained to think of all Vietnamese people as subhuman. The Vatican and the US gave support to the Catholic dictator of Vietnam to turn the Buddhist country into Christianity by force. Buddhist monks protested by setting fire to themselves. That Vietnamese dictator reminds me of Sonia in India.
i never tried to defend usa or brand them as good samaritans.
but then, i also didnt try to villify netaji (of all people!!) and gave credit where it was due.
The Turks genocided the Armenians. Regularly. The Iraqis and Turks did the same to the Kurds.
And oh, yes, the Romany killed by the nazis. They should actively remind people of that too.
That's just some of what happened last century. The list goes on and on. The holocaust was not the worst crime of all time, it might seem that way to Jewish people, but that might be because they're not familiar with other's histories.
No, the 2 worst crimes of all time would have to be the Christianity (which gave birth to its estranged child, Communism) and Islam.
fine.
then surely netaji isnt much at fault. after all he only teamed up with hitler, and not the pope or the khalif.
[quote]arjuns main duty at that time was to prevent the kuravas from winning.[/quote] Yes, because the Kauravas were the cause of adharma. If they came to power, the country would be ruled by and the people would sink into adharma.
Arjuna can't be compared to Netaji, because the latter had sided with the greater adharma (Britain compared to Hitler). It's like Bhishma taking sides with Duryodhana (except that I like Duryodhana better).
No one is denying that the Brits were a great evil, but Hitler's plans for domination and lebensraum weren't restricted to distant Europe.
compared to the poms, the nazis are saints.
arjuna cant be compared to netaji maybe, but netaji could easily be compared to arjuna or any other hero, real or mythical india has produced.
Ben Ami,
[quote]sush, but you are talking as if Netaji teamed up with hitler to kill the jews, and not to fight the english.[/quote] I did not say that Netaji teamed up with H to kill the Jews, Romany and homosexuals. I said he shouldn't have teamed up with Hitler - another imperialist (and, unknown to others at the time, also a genocidal maniac).
should or should not is decided by whats the need of the hour, and by the ends at hand. hitler was just a means to arm indians against the poms. netaji frankly could not care less if the muscle came from germans or gremlins.
[quote]but apparently, <b>according to some</b>, one jewish life is worth a 1000 indian lives. so all this dont count. [/quote] You could <i>not possibly</i> be implying me with this statement.
But you're wrong, it's supposed to be "according to <b>most</b>, one Christian or Muslim life is worth millions of Hindu lives."
well you certainly did put the holocaust above all the deaths caused to hindus by the poms. and even were appaled by the prospect of danger that indian jews (of which there are about 20000) faced, so what if indians continued to die under poms.
[quote]their bit to ensure that the holocaust is considered the greatest crime of all time[/quote] It is <i>among</i> the greatest crimes of the 20th century. They're ensuring that it's remembered - fair enough with their tiny population size and considering what the nazis had done. Also, they keep bringing it to our attention since there are people who are denying that the holocaust ever took place (neo-nazis in the US mainly, but with links to universities and the government - surprise, surprise).
yes and indians should do their bit to ensure that no one forgets their genocides and also honour people who put a stop to further hindu genocides in pom hands by making us independent. charity begins at home.
Other countries need to do their bit to make sure no one forgets the crimes committed against them: Under Mao 100 million Chinese died (many due to Mao's famine) and yet no American knows this, but the US knows to whine about the WTC.
When the Bangladesh genocide is mentioned (which is hardly ever) people say 3 million Bangladeshi <i>Muslims</i> were killed by Pakistanis. No, about 80% of them were Hindus, of the others there were considerable numbers of Buddhists also. Another media whitewash.
Having Christianised East Timor, no one focussed on the Christian-Muslim wars there and all eyes of the media was on the killing fields of Cambodia - even though Cambodia and East Timor had comparitive levels of casualties.
The US helped kill countless people in Central and South America, by supplying weapons and supporting terrorist/authoritarian regimes because it suited the US.
Europe indirectly caused the deaths of millions of African people and the wars they caused are still continuing.
The US army was killing and terribly mistreating the South Vietnamese who were supposed to be their allies - because the army was trained to think of all Vietnamese people as subhuman. The Vatican and the US gave support to the Catholic dictator of Vietnam to turn the Buddhist country into Christianity by force. Buddhist monks protested by setting fire to themselves. That Vietnamese dictator reminds me of Sonia in India.
i never tried to defend usa or brand them as good samaritans.
but then, i also didnt try to villify netaji (of all people!!) and gave credit where it was due.
The Turks genocided the Armenians. Regularly. The Iraqis and Turks did the same to the Kurds.
And oh, yes, the Romany killed by the nazis. They should actively remind people of that too.
That's just some of what happened last century. The list goes on and on. The holocaust was not the worst crime of all time, it might seem that way to Jewish people, but that might be because they're not familiar with other's histories.
No, the 2 worst crimes of all time would have to be the Christianity (which gave birth to its estranged child, Communism) and Islam.
fine.
then surely netaji isnt much at fault. after all he only teamed up with hitler, and not the pope or the khalif.
[quote]arjuns main duty at that time was to prevent the kuravas from winning.[/quote] Yes, because the Kauravas were the cause of adharma. If they came to power, the country would be ruled by and the people would sink into adharma.
Arjuna can't be compared to Netaji, because the latter had sided with the greater adharma (Britain compared to Hitler). It's like Bhishma taking sides with Duryodhana (except that I like Duryodhana better).
No one is denying that the Brits were a great evil, but Hitler's plans for domination and lebensraum weren't restricted to distant Europe.
compared to the poms, the nazis are saints.
arjuna cant be compared to netaji maybe, but netaji could easily be compared to arjuna or any other hero, real or mythical india has produced.