01-25-2006, 05:57 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sushmita+Jan 25 2006, 11:12 AM-->QUOTE(Sushmita @ Jan 25 2006, 11:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ben Ami,
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i'd like to know how many of you agree with sushmita that its time we stopped calling netaji a hero?? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right that it was none of my business to try and steal a hero away from you. I would hate it if someone did that to me. You and the others here have behaved better than I'd have in your place.
At least, for the sake of that <i>other reason</i> I mentioned, can you keep your admiration for him a little bit more quiet. It's a serious issue. (I know you don't support Bose for any other reason than his wanting to free India.)
Ben Ami, this is not meant to be a provoking question, so don't be angry: if Bose was a leftist, and you sensibly hate communism (I'd assumed you meant to insult me with that "Romila Thaparish" statement - and I took it as an insult), then why do you approve of Bose? Or do you only approve of his patriotism, but not of any leftist plans he might have had for a free India? I'm not saying he did have leftist plans but he was a leader, and it's hardly unlikely that he might have had aspirations to lead in some capacity after the war.
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well you cant take or give a hero from.to anyone.
at the same time i dont see why i should be quiet about him or anyone who is in my good books. you dodnt keep quite in your tirade against him either.
we just voiced each others opinions and backed them with arguements. i now would like to know explicitly what are the opinions and stands of the others regarding the person in question.
as for your question - netaji was not the leftist in the commie sense.
he liked the leftist idea of centre led industrialisation (which was the only way out for india, or any other country starting from scratch, cos there was hardly any private player back then), and liked the idea of synchronised if not total control. a country like india comming out of 1000 years of chaos could do with a kamal attaturk-esque person. china would not have made the rapid strides it made in the last 20 years if they had a 30 partyu circus like in india. hes leftist love affair was purely for these 2 reasons - namely central (public) initiative is often the only way out for devastated countries and it helps to have a highway with no one on it, for some time.
as for his aspirations - i dont know. what i know was his abilities.
as a student he was a IAS topper or nearly so. as a student he was also part of the indian right wing "underground" as this pic would explain - (3rd last from bottom) http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/...ages-1914b.html
as political leader he was twice chairman of INC against all odds. before that he was head of various lesser and reagonal commettees.
as a military leader he used to move on par with rommel, mussoulini and tojo, and did what others could not even dream of - only sarvarkar came closest.
what makes you think nehru made a better leader???
i can think of only 2 names (as pm) better/equal than netaji - sardar patel and sp mukherjee.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i'd like to know how many of you agree with sushmita that its time we stopped calling netaji a hero?? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right that it was none of my business to try and steal a hero away from you. I would hate it if someone did that to me. You and the others here have behaved better than I'd have in your place.
At least, for the sake of that <i>other reason</i> I mentioned, can you keep your admiration for him a little bit more quiet. It's a serious issue. (I know you don't support Bose for any other reason than his wanting to free India.)
Ben Ami, this is not meant to be a provoking question, so don't be angry: if Bose was a leftist, and you sensibly hate communism (I'd assumed you meant to insult me with that "Romila Thaparish" statement - and I took it as an insult), then why do you approve of Bose? Or do you only approve of his patriotism, but not of any leftist plans he might have had for a free India? I'm not saying he did have leftist plans but he was a leader, and it's hardly unlikely that he might have had aspirations to lead in some capacity after the war.
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well you cant take or give a hero from.to anyone.
at the same time i dont see why i should be quiet about him or anyone who is in my good books. you dodnt keep quite in your tirade against him either.
we just voiced each others opinions and backed them with arguements. i now would like to know explicitly what are the opinions and stands of the others regarding the person in question.
as for your question - netaji was not the leftist in the commie sense.
he liked the leftist idea of centre led industrialisation (which was the only way out for india, or any other country starting from scratch, cos there was hardly any private player back then), and liked the idea of synchronised if not total control. a country like india comming out of 1000 years of chaos could do with a kamal attaturk-esque person. china would not have made the rapid strides it made in the last 20 years if they had a 30 partyu circus like in india. hes leftist love affair was purely for these 2 reasons - namely central (public) initiative is often the only way out for devastated countries and it helps to have a highway with no one on it, for some time.
as for his aspirations - i dont know. what i know was his abilities.
as a student he was a IAS topper or nearly so. as a student he was also part of the indian right wing "underground" as this pic would explain - (3rd last from bottom) http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/...ages-1914b.html
as political leader he was twice chairman of INC against all odds. before that he was head of various lesser and reagonal commettees.
as a military leader he used to move on par with rommel, mussoulini and tojo, and did what others could not even dream of - only sarvarkar came closest.
what makes you think nehru made a better leader???
i can think of only 2 names (as pm) better/equal than netaji - sardar patel and sp mukherjee.