01-28-2006, 03:31 AM
[quote=Bharatvarsh,Jan 28 2006, 08:33 AM][quote]well you can stop being sadistic about the plight of the hindus (at least on this forum!!) who have been unfortunate enough to have been economically raved by 200 years of colonialism and then have been cut off from their brethern. you never had to go through a cent of that - you wont be able to empathise. its easy to sit in your cosy armchair and laugh at their plight - wait till it happens to you.[/quote]
And you can stop being melodramatic and start analysing why they are in the situation they are today and by the way Bengalis are not the only ones who suffered, Punjabis suffered even worse slaughter and yet they rebuilt their lives, in Hyderabad also there was a great slaughter of Hindus and I come from Hyderabad.
sure .. the famous (and fictional) hyderabad famine/genocide.
the punjabi slaughter was about 1 year - centered around 1947, unless you count stray incidences like jalionwallahbag.
not melodramatic... facts are facts....concocting canards dont help
[quote]we should get those hindus back in india. sort of like isreal gives a right of passage to every jew, we should allow every hindu stuck in pakistan and bangladesh to return. cant sit and watch them get slaughtered.[/quote]
Yes they should be brought back to India, but next Muslims will reach critical mass in Assam and West Bengal and Kerala, then these Hindus will run into more interior states, we can't keep on running forever sooner or later we have to face the problem of demography.
in assam, muslims will get as good as they give. or better.
the other 2 states i am not sure about - but as long as those 2 states remain commie, neither muslims nor any other religious faction can do much.
more bsf jawans needed to be deployed in the bangladesh border immediately, and refugees with illegal ration card and other crap should be kicked back summarily.
[quote]resources cant keep growing forever. there's only so much of it.
read thomas malthus. [/quote]
Yes I read him and I know that resources can't keep growing so what is your point?, India is not overpopulated as I said and we can have more people, the gov't of India will only implement family planning on Muslims once they realise that India reached its max, so until then Hindus need to keep themselves in majority and we can export the surplus to the demographically dying Europe. It will have a Muslim majority by the end of this century and they don't know what to do to save themselves.
by 2050 europe will be a muslim majority piece of land.
point is that there arnt enough resources to support 2 billion people. we dont live by bread alone so dont tell me we will have food. what about electricity and clean water or 2 billion people?
[quote]how about a sanjay gandhi on muslims, illeterate rural hindus and such like.
selective sanjay gandhi. [/quote]
You do not seem to understand that in a democracy every tom, dick and harry can't go around barging into peoples bedrooms and forcibly sterilising them, go down to these illiterate rural Hindus and tell them that they will be forcibly sterilised and see the reaction you will get.
goi should do it, not tom dick and harry.
if the govt cant carry out a law it passes - then we have a problem.
how come china manages to execute a 1 child policy to the word??
so shy cant goi carry out a 2 child policy?
[quote]Bharatwarsh I agree that population is a problem. But it is more due to illiteracy among muslims. Look at the progressive muslims like Abdul Kalam Azad (poor guy is still a bachelor) and Sania Mirza family (two sisters only).[/quote]
This is a worn out cliche, Kalam is an exception, also Sania Mirza has 2 sisters so her parents had 3 kids which is well above replacement fertility, in Kerala and in many other states Muslims outbreed even less educated sections like Dalits and Tribals, take Kerala the literacy rate is almost the same and yet Muslims outbreed Hindus massively, go through the old demography threads and you will see what I mean.
[quote]Today Hindus are the 3rd largest religious group in the world in spite of 1000 years of colonial rule and subjugation. Today we are 800-900 millions and spread all over the world. [/quote]
And we lost Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kashmir, Indonesia, next we will be losing Kerala, Assam and West Bengal, we can keep on deluding ourselves but truth will stay the same.
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we wont lose kerela, bengal or assam in a hurry.
we wont be losing an inch more.
i understand your point about us maintaining numerical superiority.
but there are other ways to do that besides getting into a breeding race - curb their numbers forcibly for one.
throw out refugees, forbid polygamy, sterilise at 2 kids. last 2 applies to tribals as well.
that way we will have both the numerical superiority as well as a managably large population.
And you can stop being melodramatic and start analysing why they are in the situation they are today and by the way Bengalis are not the only ones who suffered, Punjabis suffered even worse slaughter and yet they rebuilt their lives, in Hyderabad also there was a great slaughter of Hindus and I come from Hyderabad.
sure .. the famous (and fictional) hyderabad famine/genocide.
the punjabi slaughter was about 1 year - centered around 1947, unless you count stray incidences like jalionwallahbag.
not melodramatic... facts are facts....concocting canards dont help
[quote]we should get those hindus back in india. sort of like isreal gives a right of passage to every jew, we should allow every hindu stuck in pakistan and bangladesh to return. cant sit and watch them get slaughtered.[/quote]
Yes they should be brought back to India, but next Muslims will reach critical mass in Assam and West Bengal and Kerala, then these Hindus will run into more interior states, we can't keep on running forever sooner or later we have to face the problem of demography.
in assam, muslims will get as good as they give. or better.
the other 2 states i am not sure about - but as long as those 2 states remain commie, neither muslims nor any other religious faction can do much.
more bsf jawans needed to be deployed in the bangladesh border immediately, and refugees with illegal ration card and other crap should be kicked back summarily.
[quote]resources cant keep growing forever. there's only so much of it.
read thomas malthus. [/quote]
Yes I read him and I know that resources can't keep growing so what is your point?, India is not overpopulated as I said and we can have more people, the gov't of India will only implement family planning on Muslims once they realise that India reached its max, so until then Hindus need to keep themselves in majority and we can export the surplus to the demographically dying Europe. It will have a Muslim majority by the end of this century and they don't know what to do to save themselves.
by 2050 europe will be a muslim majority piece of land.
point is that there arnt enough resources to support 2 billion people. we dont live by bread alone so dont tell me we will have food. what about electricity and clean water or 2 billion people?
[quote]how about a sanjay gandhi on muslims, illeterate rural hindus and such like.
selective sanjay gandhi. [/quote]
You do not seem to understand that in a democracy every tom, dick and harry can't go around barging into peoples bedrooms and forcibly sterilising them, go down to these illiterate rural Hindus and tell them that they will be forcibly sterilised and see the reaction you will get.
goi should do it, not tom dick and harry.
if the govt cant carry out a law it passes - then we have a problem.
how come china manages to execute a 1 child policy to the word??
so shy cant goi carry out a 2 child policy?
[quote]Bharatwarsh I agree that population is a problem. But it is more due to illiteracy among muslims. Look at the progressive muslims like Abdul Kalam Azad (poor guy is still a bachelor) and Sania Mirza family (two sisters only).[/quote]
This is a worn out cliche, Kalam is an exception, also Sania Mirza has 2 sisters so her parents had 3 kids which is well above replacement fertility, in Kerala and in many other states Muslims outbreed even less educated sections like Dalits and Tribals, take Kerala the literacy rate is almost the same and yet Muslims outbreed Hindus massively, go through the old demography threads and you will see what I mean.
[quote]Today Hindus are the 3rd largest religious group in the world in spite of 1000 years of colonial rule and subjugation. Today we are 800-900 millions and spread all over the world. [/quote]
And we lost Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Kashmir, Indonesia, next we will be losing Kerala, Assam and West Bengal, we can keep on deluding ourselves but truth will stay the same.
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we wont lose kerela, bengal or assam in a hurry.
we wont be losing an inch more.
i understand your point about us maintaining numerical superiority.
but there are other ways to do that besides getting into a breeding race - curb their numbers forcibly for one.
throw out refugees, forbid polygamy, sterilise at 2 kids. last 2 applies to tribals as well.
that way we will have both the numerical superiority as well as a managably large population.