Demographic Politics And Population Growth - 2

[Bharatvarsh]

sure .. the famous (and fictional) hyderabad famine/genocide.

the punjabi slaughter was about 1 year - centered around 1947, unless you count stray incidences like jalionwallahbag.

not melodramatic... facts are facts....concocting canards dont help

If you don't know your history then don't blame me, I am not talking about the famine in Hyderabad, I am talking about the Razakar slaughter of Hindus, from Nathuram Godse's self defence:

The mind of this Mahatma was not affected by the attacks on the Hindus in Hyderabad State; and this Mahatma never asked the Nizam of Hyderabad to abandon his throne.

http://www.indpride.com/nathuramgodse.html

115. In the year 1938, I led first batch of volunteers who marched into the territory of the Hyderabad State when the passive resistance movement was started by the Hindu Mahasabha, with a demand for Responsible Government in the State. I was arrested and sentenced to one year's imprisonment. I have a personal experience of the uncivilized, nay barbarous rule of Hyderabad, and have undergone the corporal punishment of dozens of cane slashes for the offence of singing the 'Vande Mataram' song at the time of prayer.

From Pandit Sunderlal's report on Hyderabad:

So far I had avoided the subject of the Indian army's 1948 invasion of Hyderabad State, then known as Operation Polo, and referred to today in nationalist historiography as 'the Police Action', as if all that had been involved was a few parking tickets and the odd restraining order. I had steered clear of the subject because I had been warned by mutual friends that the invasion had been an extremely difficult and painful period for Mir Moazam, who in the aftermath had been arrested and had spent several years in prison. But in the end it was Mir Moazam himself who brought the matter up.

"After university I had joined the Nizam's Civil Service and as fate would have it, on the 13th of September 1948, when the Indian army finally crossed the frontier into Hyderabad, I was the district officer in charge of the area facing the main Indian attack. We had no tanks, no planes and virtually no artillery. Nothing: just a pile of old .303 rifles. And with those we had been ordered to take on the might of the Indian army.

"The morning of the attack I was still shaving when I heard the first shells falling near my house. We had a few platoons, so we lined them up on the frontier, along the banks of the River Bori. They were facing a fully mechanised Indian army unit, with Sherman tanks, armoured cars and field guns, and before long the Indians began picking off our men like rabbits. Our first plan was to blow up the bridge, but it turned out the soldiers didn't have the correct equipment. As head of the district, I was sitting with the Brigadier in the staff car, trying to decide what to do, when the Indian Air Force started strafing us from the air. Our car windows exploded. I lay flat on my belly with bullets shooting over my head. In the end the Brigadier and I both took refuge under an arch of the bridge we had been supposed to blow up. Elsewhere much of the rest of the Hyderabad forces were surrounded while they were at parade. We were all caught with our pants down.

"The brigadier and I managed to escape, and after that we just retreated and retreated. The whole resistance was completely unrealistic. There was heavy aerial bombardment on all fronts: bombs falling everywhere. The next day I was in a jeep trying to get back to Hyderabad when the bus we were overtaking was blown up by another plane. I had to hide in the paddi. We managed to delay them a little by opening the sluices and flooding the roads, but that was our only success. When the Emperor Aurangzeb invaded Golconda [in 1687], the Hyderabad troops managed to keep the Moghuls at bay for seven or eight months. In our case we only held them up for four days. It was a total collapse."

What Mir Moazam said was confirmed by the casualty figures: on the Indian side seven killed and nine wounded, of which one died later; on the Hyderabadi side, an estimated 632 killed and at least fourteen wounded.

"How did the Indian army behave when it got to Hyderabad?" I asked.

"When an army invades any country - whether it’s Alexander the Great, Timur, Hitler or Mussolini - when it gets into a town, you know what the soldiery does. It's very difficult for the officers to control them. I can't tell you how many were raped or killed, but I saw the bodies everywhere. Old scores were paid off across the state."

I discovered later that it is in fact possible to make an informed estimate of the numbers killed in the aftermath of the 'police action'. For when reports of atrocities began to reach Delhi, Nehru 'in his private capacity', commissioned an unofficial report from a group of veteran Congressmen made up of two Hyderabadi Muslims who had prominently opposed the Nizam's rule and chaired by a Hindu, Pandit Sunderlal. The team made an extensive tour of the State and submitted their report to Nehru and Sardar Patel in January 1949. The report's findings were never made public, however, presumably because of its damning criticism of the conduct of the Indian army. It remained unpublished until a portion of it, smuggled out of India, recently appeared in America in an obscure volume of scholarly essays entitled Hyderabad: After the Fall.

The report, entitled On the Post-Operation Polo Massacres, Rape and Destruction or Seizure of Property in Hyderabad State, makes grim reading. In village after village across the state, it meticulously and unemotionally catalogued incidents of murder and mass rape, sometimes committed by troops, in other cases committed by local Hindu hooligans after the troops had disarmed the Muslim population. A short extract, chosen at random, gives the general flavour:

"Ganjoti Paygah, District Osmanabad:

There are 500 homes belonging to Muslims here. Two hundred Muslims were murdered by the goondas. The army had seized weapons from the Muslims. As the Muslims became defenceless, the goondas began the massacre. Muslim women were raped by the troops. Statement of Pasha Bi, resident of Ganjoti: the trouble in Ganjoti began after the army's arrival. All the young Muslim women here were raped. Five daughters of Osman sahib were raped and six daughters of the Qazi were raped. Ismail Sahib Sawdagar's daughter was raped in Saiba Chamar's home for a week. Soldiers from Umarga came every week and after all-night rape, young Muslim women were sent back to their homes in the morning. Mahtab Tamboli's daughters were divided among Hindus, one is in Burga Julaha's home... "

And so on, for page after page. In all, the report estimates that as many as 200,000 Hyderabadi Muslims were slaughtered in the aftermath of the 'Police Action': an astonishing figure which, if true, would turn the 'police action' into a bloodbath comparable to parts of the Punjab during Partition. Even if one regards the figure of 200,000 dead as an impossible exaggeration, it is still clear that the scale of the killing was horrific. Although publicly Nehru played down the disorder in Hyderabad, claiming to the Indian representative at the United Nations that following the Nizam's officials deserting their posts there had been some disorder <span style='color:red'>in which Hindus had retaliated for their sufferings under the [Muslim] Razakars [militia]</span>, privately he was much more alarmed. This is indicated by a note Nehru sent to Sardar Patel's Ministry of States on the 26th of November 1948, saying that he had received reports of killings of Muslims so large in number 'as to stagger the imagination' and looting of Muslim property 'on a tremendous scale' - all of which would seem to confirm the general tone of Pandit Sunderlal's report.

http://www.travelintelligence.com/wsd/arti...4print_832.html

And as for Punjab, in Hindu-Muslim terms it suffered much more slaughter than Bengal did during partition.

in assam, muslims will get as good as they give. or better.

Lol is that why Assam is already over 30% Muslim and going down the drain, past glories of Ahom rule do not matter in dealing with Muslims at present.

the other 2 states i am not sure about - but as long as those 2 states remain commie, neither muslims nor any other religious faction can do much.

Last time I checked it was in commie ruled West Bengal that entire districts have been made Hindu free through low level ethnic cleansing, Bangladesh extents defacto 20 miles into India now and in commie ruled Kerala the coastal belt areas have been made Hindu free, the Marad incident was just part of this plan to cleanse off Hindu fishermen from the coastal areas. From an old article:
Murshidabad is one of the poorest districts of West Bengal. And
thanks to unabated illegal migration from Bangladesh it has become a
Muslim majority district. Muslims had already constituted 61.39
percent of the population way back in 1991. [color=red]Now the district has
become a mere extension of Bangladesh but with a difference. The
atrocities on the Hindus in Bangladesh are at least reported by
Mayer Dak (www.mayerdak.com), HRCBM (www.hrcbm.com), HRT
(www.hrtribune.com) and a section of the Bangladeshi media. But the
same incidents occurring in the nook and corner of West Bengal go
unreported.

A vast majority of Hindus living in the villages under the Police Stations
of Jalangi, Raninagar, Hariharpara, Domkal, Beldanga and Nawada are
moving to safer pastures of the towns in other districts. The border
villages are now exclusively Muslim villages. And amazing isn't it.
While AK-47 and LMGs are being used to drive out Hindus from Kashmir
not a single bullet has been spared so far in Murshidabad but still
the Hindu exodus goes on. And when the region to the east of
Bhagirathi-Hoogly (Ganga) will approach Muslim majority, the demands
for the `Islamistan' or `Greater Bangladesh' or `Mughalistan' (or
whatever nomenclature the newest incarnation of Pakistan may have)
will only get stained with the Hindu blood
Samar Abbas has already articulated a demand for Mughalistan and I think your state comes under his demand.

Title : Hindu Jagriti Kendra
Date : 31 May 1996

If the Hindus of West Bengal Imagine that they will
remain perennially safe from such oppression, they are
sadly mistaken. In an earlier Circular, we mentioned
the case of a monk who was burnt to death by Mulims for
broadcasting devotional songs - something that the monk
had been doing for many years. Afterwards, the usual
campaign of false propaganda was launched. and an
editorial of Natun Gati (26 February - 3 March 1996;
attached to this Circular) declared that Hindus killed
the aforesaid monk 1 Expulsion of Hindus from the border
areas'of West Bengal has already started. Hindus do not
resist. A secularist Government does not react. But
population statistics of such border districts of West
Bengal as Murshidabad, Maldah and Nadia tell an
alarming,tale. Take. for Instance. the subdivision of
Jangipur In the district of Murshidabad. The number of
Hindus has decreased from 2,87,392-in 1971 to 1,17,900 In
1991. Obviously, Hindus have moved elsewhere In order to
escape from depredations by Muslims (actual-or
potential), as also from cultural suffocation. Uanks to
donations by Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, mosques are
multiplying and five times a day have to put up with a
cacophony of noise from microphones In mosques. It Is
Indeed highly Injurious to national security that some
border villages have few Hindus or none at all. For
example, the village of Domkal, which Is close to the
Bangladesh border, has 1727 Muslims and only 430
Hindus.
according to the 1991 Census. The village of Fatepur,
which Is exactly on the border, has 2994 Muslims but no
Hindu. In accordance with the 1991 Census. Similarly.
In 1991. the village'- of Chuapukur, right on the border.
has no Hindu but 7268 Muslims. There are other villages
In the district of Murshidabad. where, In accordance with
the 1991 Census. only Muslims live, and no Hindu Is
present, e.g. the villages of Ahari Nagar, Mallickpur.
Sujapur, Rameswarpur, Flahiganj and Roshniganj. One can

safely predict that s~ predominantly Muslim villages In
the district of Murshidabad will have no Hindu by 2001.


It one turns to the district of Maldah. one will be
alarmed to note how In the border police station (PS)
areas of Harishchandrapur. Kharba, Ratua and Kallachak,
Muslims have been outnumbering Hindus. Thus. In
accordance with Census reports, during 1971-1991. the
number of Muslims has grown from 59.63-% of the total
population to 62.85% In the Harishchandrapur PS area,
from 60.98% to 67.49% in the Kharba PS area, from 59.48%
to 67.25% In the Ratua PS area. and from 59.74% to 72.68%
In the Kallachak PS area. In the district of Nadia.
again, a similar tragedy has been unfolding at the border
PS areas of Karimpur, Tehatta, Kaliganji, Nakashipara and
Chapra. During 1971-1991, the number of Muslims has
risen from 38.84% of the total population to 43.23% at
the Kashmir PS area, from 32.31% to 37.48% at the Tehatta
PS area, from 45.72% to 54,03% at the Kaliganj PS area.
from 45.08% to 49.02% at the Nakashipara PS area. and


from 51.23% to 66.34% at the Chapra PS area.

Does all this carry any message to Hindus In West Bengal
? Are they too secular to understand the meaning of
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>transformation of the Kaliganj PS area from a Hindu
Majority area to a Muslim majority area In course of 20
years ?</span> If not, let them unite and resist Muslim
domination looming larger day by clay. For. unlike In
medieval India, Islamic conquest does not take place by
big, bloody leaps In contemporary, secular India. It
takes place by small, largely bloodless, installments.

http://indiaforumarchives.blogspot.com/200...population.html

more bsf jawans needed to be deployed in the bangladesh border immediately, and refugees with illegal ration card and other crap should be kicked back summarily.

BSF is corrupt and they themselves let in Bangla Muslims for bribes and its easy to talk about kicking back, there are an estimated 10 million Bangladeshi illegals and they have infitrated as far as Delhi and Mumbai so go figure on how to kick them out and what is this talk about kicking out refugees, the only refugees from Bangladesh are Hindus and some Ahmediyas who should be kicked out but so much for your feelings for Bangladeshi Hindus, you even want to kick them out just because they have illegal ration cards and so much for my sadism.

by 2050 europe will be a muslim majority piece of land.

Wrong, some countries will become Muslim majority but Europe as a whole needs some more time.

if the govt cant carry out a law it passes - then we have a problem.
how come china manages to execute a 1 child policy to the word??
so shy cant goi carry out a 2 child policy?

How many times do I have to repeat it, China is a totalitarian state with one party rule and India is a democracy, also I have already told you about the disastrous effects of 2 child rule on sex ratio.

we wont lose kerela, bengal or assam in a hurry.
we wont be losing an inch more.

Is that why entire border districts are being made Hindu free through low level ethnic cleansing, is that why Hindus have been ethnic cleansed from Kashmir?, we can keep on deluding ourselves but facts stay as facts.

i understand your point about us maintaining numerical superiority.
but there are other ways to do that besides getting into a breeding race - curb their numbers forcibly for one.

throw out refugees, forbid polygamy, sterilise at 2 kids. last 2 applies to tribals as well.

All these will not happen in the near future and I already told you about the disastrous effects on sex ratio if 2 child norm is forcibly imposed and as for throwing out refugees, I think Congress was doing exactly that and fulfilling your wishes when it wanted to throw out Bangladeshi Hindu refugees from Orissa and I am the sadist one here?