02-08-2006, 01:42 PM
[quote=Bharatvarsh,Feb 8 2006, 06:11 PM]
And if other states can come up with resistance against Islamic invaders then why couldn't Bengal?
very few indian states could come up with "effective" resistance to muslims. mostly the frontier states, and states that were lucky enough to have a powerful king when the onslaught came. also the buddhists converted en-masse as your reference proved.
or maybe you can tell us how come there was no largescale retaliation during partition in Bengal
says who??? the retaliation obviously wasnt big enough to prevent the partition, just as india couldnt do much to prevent pakistan from slipping away, but if you are going to tell me that there was no opposition for the partion of bengal, then i am not buying that.
(who as per you are one of the people in India who know how to fight),
true. the ina was half punjabi if not more. bengal and maharashtra produced more than half the national leaders through the various phases (extremists, moderates etc). most of the people who languished in kalapani (cellular jail) were marathis or bengalis with some firebrands from central india and north india thrown in too.
so, not according to me, according to history
even the cowardly and non martial South Indians were way ahead in retaliation
where did you get that?? when did i say that??
just that the 4 states betwen them have not produced 4 people of all-india stature during india's freedom struggle against the poms, unless yo consider Radhakrishnan a freedom "fighter".
(according to Pandit Sunderlal's report 200,000 Muslims got killed all over Hyderabad), even during Direct Action Day the lead for retaliation was taken by Bihari and UP Hindus in Calcutta and Sikhs, that is why Muslim authors and Bengali Hindu (p-secs) routinely try to shift the blame onto outsiders (Bihari Hindus) as the ones responsible for Direct Action Day. I will quote a Bengali himself on this:
yes, people of up and bihar have a lot more grievance against the muslims than do bengalis. i think we discussed this long back when i pointed out that the savage attacks that the muslims carried out in up-bihar-rajasthan, was spared to bengal. bengal's main beef was against the english. also at the time of DAD hindu and muslim bengalis were already opposing the english in tandem.
All states can't be everything you want them to be, some like Bengal had no large scale retaliation against Muslims
agreed.
i never tried to come up with fables of bengal's retaliation against muslims.
so may be you could start accepting facts as well.
while the South Indian states never had strong missionary traditions partly due to the Dravidian movement (in Tamil Nadu).
so if they didnt have strong missionary traditions, why are the x-ians having a field day?? that was my original question. also apart from the syrian christians of kerela, who came to india loooong back, bengal has had christians and missionaries for somewhat longer and in a more rubust manner than most of india. yet the missionaries never could do much - maybe its time you gave the Brahmo Samaj and ramkrishna-vivekananda combine their due??
In other areas like North and East Lanka which are still Tamil areas there has been a civil war going on for over 20 years now and the Tamils are reduced to grinding poverty which missionary vultures are utilising,
thats sri lanka. i was talking about india.
And if other states can come up with resistance against Islamic invaders then why couldn't Bengal?
very few indian states could come up with "effective" resistance to muslims. mostly the frontier states, and states that were lucky enough to have a powerful king when the onslaught came. also the buddhists converted en-masse as your reference proved.
or maybe you can tell us how come there was no largescale retaliation during partition in Bengal
says who??? the retaliation obviously wasnt big enough to prevent the partition, just as india couldnt do much to prevent pakistan from slipping away, but if you are going to tell me that there was no opposition for the partion of bengal, then i am not buying that.
(who as per you are one of the people in India who know how to fight),
true. the ina was half punjabi if not more. bengal and maharashtra produced more than half the national leaders through the various phases (extremists, moderates etc). most of the people who languished in kalapani (cellular jail) were marathis or bengalis with some firebrands from central india and north india thrown in too.
so, not according to me, according to history
even the cowardly and non martial South Indians were way ahead in retaliation
where did you get that?? when did i say that??
just that the 4 states betwen them have not produced 4 people of all-india stature during india's freedom struggle against the poms, unless yo consider Radhakrishnan a freedom "fighter".
(according to Pandit Sunderlal's report 200,000 Muslims got killed all over Hyderabad), even during Direct Action Day the lead for retaliation was taken by Bihari and UP Hindus in Calcutta and Sikhs, that is why Muslim authors and Bengali Hindu (p-secs) routinely try to shift the blame onto outsiders (Bihari Hindus) as the ones responsible for Direct Action Day. I will quote a Bengali himself on this:
yes, people of up and bihar have a lot more grievance against the muslims than do bengalis. i think we discussed this long back when i pointed out that the savage attacks that the muslims carried out in up-bihar-rajasthan, was spared to bengal. bengal's main beef was against the english. also at the time of DAD hindu and muslim bengalis were already opposing the english in tandem.
All states can't be everything you want them to be, some like Bengal had no large scale retaliation against Muslims
agreed.
i never tried to come up with fables of bengal's retaliation against muslims.
so may be you could start accepting facts as well.
while the South Indian states never had strong missionary traditions partly due to the Dravidian movement (in Tamil Nadu).
so if they didnt have strong missionary traditions, why are the x-ians having a field day?? that was my original question. also apart from the syrian christians of kerela, who came to india loooong back, bengal has had christians and missionaries for somewhat longer and in a more rubust manner than most of india. yet the missionaries never could do much - maybe its time you gave the Brahmo Samaj and ramkrishna-vivekananda combine their due??
In other areas like North and East Lanka which are still Tamil areas there has been a civil war going on for over 20 years now and the Tamils are reduced to grinding poverty which missionary vultures are utilising,
thats sri lanka. i was talking about india.