02-09-2006, 04:48 PM
er... as an aside, i know for a fact that some hindus (esp konkanis and tullus) visit the churches in mangalore and other parts of the konkan coast. they go there for the father/bishop to hand out bread crumbs or some such.
why this phenomenon?? are these the hindu equivalent of "rice christians"?? ie. the bread hindus??
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Hmm the meaning i wanted to convey was not that of the rice christians.
The modus operandi differs a little from the north to the south , isolate the flock and pounce upon them , to isolate them make inroads masking the local god's in similar terms of the gospel.
For example there are conversions going on in the north in punjab too , the terms used are satsang , guru ,kirtan etc etc whereas they actually mean the church , pastor and the choir.
Since the tightly knit community features were absent down south, the pastor's use that method more effectively.
OK I GET YOU. you stil havent explained the bread hindus though.
Regarding the question of resistance around 1326 Muhammed bin tughlaq mounted a vicious attack on the andhra country , the chieftans of andhra mounted a serious counter attack .
1.Hari hara and bukka were captured produced in the delhi sultanate, they ultimately escaped and under the guidance of vidyaranya founded the vijayanagara empire.
i knwo that.
2.In karanataka Somadeva of aravidu mounted a spectacular assault on Malik Zada the commander of the mughal forces , slaughtered the mughal armies and restored the kingdom to the hindu's.
3.The vijayanagara empire reigned from 1336 till the most important battle of talikota 1565 .The contributions of the empire in keeping alive the hindu traditions in the face of the islamic demon are praise worthy .
i am aware of that. what resistance would they have offered though, if they didnt have people like Somadeva, hari hara and bukka at the right time?? thats what i meant. bihar/magadh had ashok... but not during the muslim arrival. by then bihar had become a hotbed of buddhism (bihar=vihar=monastry).
It is noteworthy to remember that the Maratha's themselves were inspired by Samartha Ramadas the great saint in a similar fashion.
That was a watershed , the scale of destruction wrecked upon by the vijayanagara empire and to the lands of andhra , karnataka and tamilanadu was immense.
I beleive this dealt a huge blow to the psyche , south india is not separate in this regard , there were warriors who fought bravely , even during the 1600's -1800's there were tribal chiefs to kings who fought bravely against the british but could not appeal to the larger masses .
My original post referred to the loss of the pride factor , when the mughal armies razed and plundered after the destruction of the vijayanagara empire in typical islamic fashion made sure all vestiges were wiped out.
yes. i know about the bahamani habit of killing X-many brahmins/hindus just for kicks.
The south underwent islamic damage during that period , it was spared before that and the destruction unleashed during the sack of vijayanagara and later defeat of the nayakas put a serious dent on the psyche .
yes. karnataka and a.p directly went under muslims of the bloodiest kind.
Even during the later period 1600's-1800's there were chieftan's and kings who tried to rise the banner of revolt but could not inspire the masses maybe due to the horror of the past.
yes... this "horror of the past" thing has caused h-u-g-e damage to the common indian, all over india.
Like the rest of india , each part had its own problems and the people will bounce back in their own way--atleast some generations from now is what I can wish for.
a good wish too. and i will join you in wishing the same. cheers !
why this phenomenon?? are these the hindu equivalent of "rice christians"?? ie. the bread hindus??
[right][snapback]46450[/snapback][/right]
Hmm the meaning i wanted to convey was not that of the rice christians.
The modus operandi differs a little from the north to the south , isolate the flock and pounce upon them , to isolate them make inroads masking the local god's in similar terms of the gospel.
For example there are conversions going on in the north in punjab too , the terms used are satsang , guru ,kirtan etc etc whereas they actually mean the church , pastor and the choir.
Since the tightly knit community features were absent down south, the pastor's use that method more effectively.
OK I GET YOU. you stil havent explained the bread hindus though.
Regarding the question of resistance around 1326 Muhammed bin tughlaq mounted a vicious attack on the andhra country , the chieftans of andhra mounted a serious counter attack .
1.Hari hara and bukka were captured produced in the delhi sultanate, they ultimately escaped and under the guidance of vidyaranya founded the vijayanagara empire.
i knwo that.
2.In karanataka Somadeva of aravidu mounted a spectacular assault on Malik Zada the commander of the mughal forces , slaughtered the mughal armies and restored the kingdom to the hindu's.
3.The vijayanagara empire reigned from 1336 till the most important battle of talikota 1565 .The contributions of the empire in keeping alive the hindu traditions in the face of the islamic demon are praise worthy .
i am aware of that. what resistance would they have offered though, if they didnt have people like Somadeva, hari hara and bukka at the right time?? thats what i meant. bihar/magadh had ashok... but not during the muslim arrival. by then bihar had become a hotbed of buddhism (bihar=vihar=monastry).
It is noteworthy to remember that the Maratha's themselves were inspired by Samartha Ramadas the great saint in a similar fashion.
That was a watershed , the scale of destruction wrecked upon by the vijayanagara empire and to the lands of andhra , karnataka and tamilanadu was immense.
I beleive this dealt a huge blow to the psyche , south india is not separate in this regard , there were warriors who fought bravely , even during the 1600's -1800's there were tribal chiefs to kings who fought bravely against the british but could not appeal to the larger masses .
My original post referred to the loss of the pride factor , when the mughal armies razed and plundered after the destruction of the vijayanagara empire in typical islamic fashion made sure all vestiges were wiped out.
yes. i know about the bahamani habit of killing X-many brahmins/hindus just for kicks.
The south underwent islamic damage during that period , it was spared before that and the destruction unleashed during the sack of vijayanagara and later defeat of the nayakas put a serious dent on the psyche .
yes. karnataka and a.p directly went under muslims of the bloodiest kind.
Even during the later period 1600's-1800's there were chieftan's and kings who tried to rise the banner of revolt but could not inspire the masses maybe due to the horror of the past.
yes... this "horror of the past" thing has caused h-u-g-e damage to the common indian, all over india.
Like the rest of india , each part had its own problems and the people will bounce back in their own way--atleast some generations from now is what I can wish for.
a good wish too. and i will join you in wishing the same. cheers !