02-22-2006, 10:08 PM
Mudy,
What makes you think that Jyothibasu will come back and tell us that he's being forced to clean the toilets every morning by some Hindus? After all, isn't it what the likes of Jyothi Basu are fighting for in California?
And I don't see relevance of his personal experience in this thread or the Dalit thread. Anecdotal evidence are dime a dozen. He can use Farmers IER site for the same.
Let me post something I saw at Outlook site.. applies to our Jyothi too:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When will the Dalits in India get an apology for all the atrocities committed against them and treating them worse than even animals."
I commend your deep concern for these poor people. Let us consider this terrible situation for a little while.
Exactly WHO should apologize, in your esteemed opinion? California parents, US citizens born and raised in the US? Because that's who are now being tarred as "religious extremists" by your friends Vinay Lal, Raju Rajagopal, Professor Witzel, Mr. Farmer, and their whole hate gang on the "IndoEurasian Research Forum".
Somehow I don't see any sense in this, but I don't want to disrespect your precious sense of concern for Dalits, and so I will presume that you are REALLY interested in their plight. To understand their plight, it is essential to have an open mind, and look at the facts.
1. The worst atrocities against "Dalits" have been reported from two places.
One is Bihar, the other is Tamil Nadu. Both States have been under democratically-elected governments run by people who are most certainly NOT of the "hindu right" (I mean politics, not factual correctness) for the past twenty years as far as I can remember.
In India, local law enforcement is in the hands of the police, who are under the STATE, not LOCAL, government. Why do I say this? If this were not so, the blame for not stopping the Ahmedabad riots in time, should never have been aimed at Chief Minister Modi, but at the Ahmedabad City Corporation, which was ruled, WITH A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY, by the Congress Party in 2002.
If you now agree that the State Govt. is responsible for law enforcement, then whose fault is it that despite strong mandates from the people, the governments of Tamil Nadu and Bihar have continued to fail to stop atrocities against people who are basically their supporters?
So who should apologize?
Next let us turn to a very interesting revelation: the people who are yelling themselves hoarse about the "Dalits" are, I see, CHRISTIAN missionary organizations based in the US. You can GOOGLE "Dalit toilet cleaning" and confirm what comes up - sites run by CHRISTIAN organizations, right above appeals for more money so that their preachers can keep up those Gold Rolls Royces, and the private Boeing 747s that they use for their charitable trips to the Heathen Third World.
Meanwhile, Dalits in India have gone to the Supreme Court. Why? To fight for rights? To fight for the right to be considered a Scheduled CASTE, although they have already converted to Christianity. That's right - they apparently feel that conversion to Believing in Jesus has done nothing to improve their social status - among Christians, they are still an UNTOUCHABLE CASTE!!! They want to continue to be regarded as a HINDU caste when it comes to picking up government cheques, not to mention the 50% (that's right fifty percent) reservation in public sector jobs for candidates from their community.
I also read that HINDU organizations like the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram are seeking donations to continue a midday meal program so that the tribal ("Dalit") kids who have to walk 10 miles a day through the forest to get to school, don't keep fainting away from hunger in class.
And who has been trying to destroy those programs, even at the cost of violating all norms of honesty and decency? You guessed it - the same VINAY LAL and RAJU RAJAGOPAL and ANGANA CHATTERJI and VIJAY PRASHAD and BIJU MATTHEW whose lies you swallow and parrot so easily.
So, yes, Siddhanti, apologies are overdue.
From your ilk, to Humanity. Let us see them
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What makes you think that Jyothibasu will come back and tell us that he's being forced to clean the toilets every morning by some Hindus? After all, isn't it what the likes of Jyothi Basu are fighting for in California?
And I don't see relevance of his personal experience in this thread or the Dalit thread. Anecdotal evidence are dime a dozen. He can use Farmers IER site for the same.
Let me post something I saw at Outlook site.. applies to our Jyothi too:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When will the Dalits in India get an apology for all the atrocities committed against them and treating them worse than even animals."
I commend your deep concern for these poor people. Let us consider this terrible situation for a little while.
Exactly WHO should apologize, in your esteemed opinion? California parents, US citizens born and raised in the US? Because that's who are now being tarred as "religious extremists" by your friends Vinay Lal, Raju Rajagopal, Professor Witzel, Mr. Farmer, and their whole hate gang on the "IndoEurasian Research Forum".
Somehow I don't see any sense in this, but I don't want to disrespect your precious sense of concern for Dalits, and so I will presume that you are REALLY interested in their plight. To understand their plight, it is essential to have an open mind, and look at the facts.
1. The worst atrocities against "Dalits" have been reported from two places.
One is Bihar, the other is Tamil Nadu. Both States have been under democratically-elected governments run by people who are most certainly NOT of the "hindu right" (I mean politics, not factual correctness) for the past twenty years as far as I can remember.
In India, local law enforcement is in the hands of the police, who are under the STATE, not LOCAL, government. Why do I say this? If this were not so, the blame for not stopping the Ahmedabad riots in time, should never have been aimed at Chief Minister Modi, but at the Ahmedabad City Corporation, which was ruled, WITH A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY, by the Congress Party in 2002.
If you now agree that the State Govt. is responsible for law enforcement, then whose fault is it that despite strong mandates from the people, the governments of Tamil Nadu and Bihar have continued to fail to stop atrocities against people who are basically their supporters?
So who should apologize?
Next let us turn to a very interesting revelation: the people who are yelling themselves hoarse about the "Dalits" are, I see, CHRISTIAN missionary organizations based in the US. You can GOOGLE "Dalit toilet cleaning" and confirm what comes up - sites run by CHRISTIAN organizations, right above appeals for more money so that their preachers can keep up those Gold Rolls Royces, and the private Boeing 747s that they use for their charitable trips to the Heathen Third World.
Meanwhile, Dalits in India have gone to the Supreme Court. Why? To fight for rights? To fight for the right to be considered a Scheduled CASTE, although they have already converted to Christianity. That's right - they apparently feel that conversion to Believing in Jesus has done nothing to improve their social status - among Christians, they are still an UNTOUCHABLE CASTE!!! They want to continue to be regarded as a HINDU caste when it comes to picking up government cheques, not to mention the 50% (that's right fifty percent) reservation in public sector jobs for candidates from their community.
I also read that HINDU organizations like the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram are seeking donations to continue a midday meal program so that the tribal ("Dalit") kids who have to walk 10 miles a day through the forest to get to school, don't keep fainting away from hunger in class.
And who has been trying to destroy those programs, even at the cost of violating all norms of honesty and decency? You guessed it - the same VINAY LAL and RAJU RAJAGOPAL and ANGANA CHATTERJI and VIJAY PRASHAD and BIJU MATTHEW whose lies you swallow and parrot so easily.
So, yes, Siddhanti, apologies are overdue.
From your ilk, to Humanity. Let us see them
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