03-23-2006, 02:44 PM
Dear hyagriva,
Radhe Krishna. Somehow the thread on "ISKCON" has been converted into a thread on "Advaita". There is one funny part about this conversion. Almost everybody who discussed, bashed called names of "Advaita" has acknowledged that they know least about "Advaita". But still never hesitated to (mis) interpret it or call names.
By the bye could we take up the thread back.
"ISKCON" has raised certain serious charges against "Smarta Sampradaya" which prima facie are based on hatred and devoid of any - what u call - statistical information.
My simple effort was only to convey this vacuum in the mindset of "ISKCON". Even if my efforts reach some well meaning "ISKCON" follower, it would go a long way in inter personal relationships which the organisations boasts of.
Regarding animosities among different sampradayas, I do not agree with u completely. As far as differences, I agree there were, there are and going to be differences between different sampradayas. But never and would never be - these of the type of hatred between a shia and sunni or that of a Roman Catholic and Protestent. These differences in semitic religion have been the cause of many wars and millions of people died and are dieing. The differences in Hindu sampradayas are differences out of ideology and not end up in making or unmaking of entire landscapes of human habitation.
U have quoted from Madhva Vijayam. Ofcourse, there is "Satha Dooshani" by "Nigamantha Mahadesikan". But honestly, tell me whether, a Vaishnava boy, who byhearts "Desika Prabandas" byhearts "Sata Dooshani" also. Puranas and latter works by acharyas are for literary interest.
Take a few examples from Puranas :
1. Brahma and Vishnu trying to identify head and toe of Lord Shiva
2. Sarabeswara killing Lord Narasimha
3. Lord Vishnu - vs. - Brinda in Skanda Purana
4. Shiva linga Tatva
5. Basmasura vada
These episodes - one can interpret or misinterpret to demean or degrade one or the other "Devatha". But what do anybody gain from this.
I honestly believe that present day "ISKCON" is vastly different from the one in the time of six goswamis. Still to retain "Sadhu Lakshanas" or "Vaishnava Lakshanas" are prerequisite for claiming self as "Vaishnava". Many of the activities of "ISKCON" are on the opposite direction. different from their own self professed codes and ethics. Neverthless the Nama Prachara in which they are involved in very badly needed for the society.
Radhe Krishna
Krishna Kumar
Radhe Krishna. Somehow the thread on "ISKCON" has been converted into a thread on "Advaita". There is one funny part about this conversion. Almost everybody who discussed, bashed called names of "Advaita" has acknowledged that they know least about "Advaita". But still never hesitated to (mis) interpret it or call names.
By the bye could we take up the thread back.
"ISKCON" has raised certain serious charges against "Smarta Sampradaya" which prima facie are based on hatred and devoid of any - what u call - statistical information.
My simple effort was only to convey this vacuum in the mindset of "ISKCON". Even if my efforts reach some well meaning "ISKCON" follower, it would go a long way in inter personal relationships which the organisations boasts of.
Regarding animosities among different sampradayas, I do not agree with u completely. As far as differences, I agree there were, there are and going to be differences between different sampradayas. But never and would never be - these of the type of hatred between a shia and sunni or that of a Roman Catholic and Protestent. These differences in semitic religion have been the cause of many wars and millions of people died and are dieing. The differences in Hindu sampradayas are differences out of ideology and not end up in making or unmaking of entire landscapes of human habitation.
U have quoted from Madhva Vijayam. Ofcourse, there is "Satha Dooshani" by "Nigamantha Mahadesikan". But honestly, tell me whether, a Vaishnava boy, who byhearts "Desika Prabandas" byhearts "Sata Dooshani" also. Puranas and latter works by acharyas are for literary interest.
Take a few examples from Puranas :
1. Brahma and Vishnu trying to identify head and toe of Lord Shiva
2. Sarabeswara killing Lord Narasimha
3. Lord Vishnu - vs. - Brinda in Skanda Purana
4. Shiva linga Tatva
5. Basmasura vada
These episodes - one can interpret or misinterpret to demean or degrade one or the other "Devatha". But what do anybody gain from this.
I honestly believe that present day "ISKCON" is vastly different from the one in the time of six goswamis. Still to retain "Sadhu Lakshanas" or "Vaishnava Lakshanas" are prerequisite for claiming self as "Vaishnava". Many of the activities of "ISKCON" are on the opposite direction. different from their own self professed codes and ethics. Neverthless the Nama Prachara in which they are involved in very badly needed for the society.
Radhe Krishna
Krishna Kumar