05-03-2006, 09:35 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+May 2 2006, 05:55 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ May 2 2006, 05:55 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well if Bengalis don't do anything then they shouldn't expect the rest of India to do something, they keep voting for the same commies again and again and keep importing Muslims, already Bangladesh extends defacto 20 miles into West Bengal, we will be seeing another demand for partition soon, either way Bengalis are destined to live under Muslim Raj because even the Indian army can't push back or ethnic cleanse these millions of illegal infiltrators from Bengal since its hands will be tied by the politicians. The only way to stop it is bring in Hindu settlers from Bangladesh and places like Andhra, Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Orissa and other states with plenty of Hindus and settle them in these border districts.
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Uninformed opinion to put it mildly (hmm...had a similar exchange with another gentleman on BRF months ago) <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Let me try to refute few of your points.
1. "Well if Bengalis don't do anything then they shouldn't expect the rest of India to do something"
Agreed. But does the rule apply for Kashmiri Pandits, Assamese as well? Going by your logic I see no reason why the Army should be bled year after year in Kashmir and NE.
2. "they keep voting for the same commies again and again and keep importing Muslims"
Political immaturity of Bengalis apart (atleast they don't vote for dynastic persona or film stars)...were the commies the ones to demarcate (or party to such an agreement) boundary lines in 47? were the commies the ones to stop the Muslim cleansing riots? Does the commie police patrol the border or the commie state govt. decide whether the border should be fenced or not? Does a commie govt. decides whether or not to run train or buses to Dhaka?
3. "either way Bengalis are destined to live under Muslim Raj because even the Indian army can't push back or ethnic cleanse these <b>millions of illegal infiltrators from Bengal since its hands will be tied by the politicians</b>. The only way to stop it is bring in <b>Hindu settlers from Bangladesh and places like Andhra, Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Orissa and other states with plenty of Hindus and settle them in these border districts</b>."
I guess you meant "infiltrators from Bangladesh" and "Hindu settlers from Bengal" or the wordings deliberate <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> ?
Since you are convinced with Bengalis under Muslim rule idea and affirmitive with the idea that rest of India should not have any business there, why not allow that god forsaken province to secede from the Indian Union (Western powers will be too willing to oblige)? All problems will be solved.
On a different note, it depends a lot whether someone feels that the province in question is a part of India or not. Is it so difficult to impose Presidents rule?
Without prolonging the discussion on political prolictivities of various people, it must suffice that common folks on the street don't vote for ideologies. Had it been the case India would have been a Hindu Rashtra by now.
One final word about infiltration, does someone has the data as what percentage are Hindus? This is important because of what I heard first hand is that Mamata B's infiltration bogey doesn't cut ice with villagers. The reason is anybody entering post 71 is infiltrator and they are Hindus. Muslim infiltration is post 90s phenomenon. The only way to deal is to cut the secularist crap and specifically target Muslim infiltrators.
Leave aside poor Mamata B, even RSS lacks the balls to do it.
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Since it is History thread, few facts... a common misconception is that commies alone are responsible for decline of Bengal.
The decline started with the famine of 42, it wiped out chunks of working class population with any their economic capital. The area was barely recovering when the partition occured.
It should be noted, unlike Punjab, Bengal was an industrial stronghold during Independence. And the partition was like a double edged sword.
The riots caused millions of refugees to flee to the Indian side putting a heavy burden on the economy. But this was not the only thing, a peculiar aspect of the partition was that the jute producing areas fell to the East Pakistan side while Indian side had the factories and the Calcutta port.
Things doesn't stop here, the 71 war brought another wave of refugees. And the icing on the cake, the wonderfull central policy of frieght rationalization of railways (beyond the scope of discussion, but google it if you like) that almost killed the economic viability of Calcutta port.
Commies must take the lions share of blame, but they are not the only one
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Uninformed opinion to put it mildly (hmm...had a similar exchange with another gentleman on BRF months ago) <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Let me try to refute few of your points.1. "Well if Bengalis don't do anything then they shouldn't expect the rest of India to do something"
Agreed. But does the rule apply for Kashmiri Pandits, Assamese as well? Going by your logic I see no reason why the Army should be bled year after year in Kashmir and NE.
2. "they keep voting for the same commies again and again and keep importing Muslims"
Political immaturity of Bengalis apart (atleast they don't vote for dynastic persona or film stars)...were the commies the ones to demarcate (or party to such an agreement) boundary lines in 47? were the commies the ones to stop the Muslim cleansing riots? Does the commie police patrol the border or the commie state govt. decide whether the border should be fenced or not? Does a commie govt. decides whether or not to run train or buses to Dhaka?
3. "either way Bengalis are destined to live under Muslim Raj because even the Indian army can't push back or ethnic cleanse these <b>millions of illegal infiltrators from Bengal since its hands will be tied by the politicians</b>. The only way to stop it is bring in <b>Hindu settlers from Bangladesh and places like Andhra, Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Orissa and other states with plenty of Hindus and settle them in these border districts</b>."
I guess you meant "infiltrators from Bangladesh" and "Hindu settlers from Bengal" or the wordings deliberate <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> ?Since you are convinced with Bengalis under Muslim rule idea and affirmitive with the idea that rest of India should not have any business there, why not allow that god forsaken province to secede from the Indian Union (Western powers will be too willing to oblige)? All problems will be solved.
On a different note, it depends a lot whether someone feels that the province in question is a part of India or not. Is it so difficult to impose Presidents rule?
Without prolonging the discussion on political prolictivities of various people, it must suffice that common folks on the street don't vote for ideologies. Had it been the case India would have been a Hindu Rashtra by now.
One final word about infiltration, does someone has the data as what percentage are Hindus? This is important because of what I heard first hand is that Mamata B's infiltration bogey doesn't cut ice with villagers. The reason is anybody entering post 71 is infiltrator and they are Hindus. Muslim infiltration is post 90s phenomenon. The only way to deal is to cut the secularist crap and specifically target Muslim infiltrators.
Leave aside poor Mamata B, even RSS lacks the balls to do it.
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Since it is History thread, few facts... a common misconception is that commies alone are responsible for decline of Bengal.
The decline started with the famine of 42, it wiped out chunks of working class population with any their economic capital. The area was barely recovering when the partition occured.
It should be noted, unlike Punjab, Bengal was an industrial stronghold during Independence. And the partition was like a double edged sword.
The riots caused millions of refugees to flee to the Indian side putting a heavy burden on the economy. But this was not the only thing, a peculiar aspect of the partition was that the jute producing areas fell to the East Pakistan side while Indian side had the factories and the Calcutta port.
Things doesn't stop here, the 71 war brought another wave of refugees. And the icing on the cake, the wonderfull central policy of frieght rationalization of railways (beyond the scope of discussion, but google it if you like) that almost killed the economic viability of Calcutta port.
Commies must take the lions share of blame, but they are not the only one
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