<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->8) just how were austro asiatic peoples described in ramayan and mahabharat?? (answer = vanaras, meaning not monkeys, but any living being that lives in forests)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Obviously someone who's never read the Ramayana. The Vanara were met as Rama travelled south. Since when do the Indians you call <i>Austro Asiatic</i> or <i>Dravidian</i> have tails and other features as described in the Ramayana? The Vanara were a kind of monkey as described in Ramayana and as confirmed by the Mahabharata (Hanuman's reappearance). Vali had a tail with which he carried the frightened Ravana around. Hanuman turned his tail into a seat at Ravana's court. Stop talking about things you don't know.
And, except for the AIT people and the Pakistani pan-Islamist groups operating under titles like Dalitstan, no knowledgeable and sane Hindu says that the Vanara were not monkeys but were instead the Dravidians/Austro Asiatics/all-except-your-close-circle.
Maybe you think that Vyasa and Valmiki didn't know they meant 'Austro Asiatic' not tail and confused the two. Then again, maybe you're just wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->9) from which script do all indian scripts come from??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Brahmi???? The west says that Brahmi was developed in the Middle-East somewhere. The South Indian Dravidianist groups say that it was a South Indian invention. What's the point of (9) unless you want someone to tell you current theories (however right or wrong) don't support you?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->10) who exactly are the namboodhris and when did malayalam come into existance as a language seperate from tamil??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Namboothiris are Brahmanas. According to all except 1 or 2 maths, Sri Shankaracharya was born in the 4th or 5th century <i>bc</i>. That is the period he lived in according to tradition. However, one Namboothiripad, a <i>communist</i>, claims that according to his research (conducted in the usual 'scholarly' communist manner with the usual communist honesty) that Namboothiris came to South India in the 5th, no 6th, no 7th, no now it's 8th century ad. One or two South Indian maths accepted the 5th century date that the AIT-English gave for Sri Shankaracharya.
Malayalam is a Sanskritised version of an old South Indian language that had already been separate from Tamil for a long time. Malayalam is not a version of Tamil, no more than Urdu being a version of Bengali.
The brahmins of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka (including the Tulu/Bunt brahmins), Andhra are local brahmanas. They are not Gowda Saraswats who came from the north in recent times (no offense to them either, just clarifying). The Namboothiris are thought to have come from the North too, but when it is not known. Obviously, it was much earlier than Sri Shankaracharya. On the other hand, many of the Namboothiris today might have just been the locals too - trained as brahmanas by those who came to teach from the North.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->11) avestan language and religion are cognate with which language and which religious treatise ??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Avestan is a later version of ancient Iranian. Ancient Iranian and Vedic Sanskrit are related. Which proves nothing. Tamil and Kannada are thought to be related. So? Did you invent Sanskrit? You didn't. What a surprise. Don't take credit for something you had no involvement in. At least my father speaks Sanskrit, paternal grandfather's mother wrote letters in Sanskrit. My uncle on the paternal side's mother was a Hindu Scholar who debated philosophy in Sanskrit and won against male Brahmanas, and Jainas (not in Sanskrit). They are also all of them excellent in Tamil on my maternal side and Kannada on my paternal side. My grandfather taught Kannada, Sanskrit, Maths and Science to <i>all</i> the village children. No varna-based discrimination. These children were all, without exception, good at learning. That includes their accomplishments in Sanskrit: essay writing, poetry, prose.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->12) according to the purans, which area was called as aryavarta??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Puranas only mention it at the time the regions N of the Vindhya were called Aryavarta. Eventually, Aryavarta would included the rest of India. Krunvanto Visham Aryam. By the time the Chinese visited India, and Buddhist monks from South India travelled to China, the Chinese referred to South India as being part of Aryavarta and Bharatavarsha too. Geez.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->13) finally can we have some examples of tamil luminaries who are NOT brahmin (swamynathan, cv raman, ramanujam, radha krishnan, etc - all i know of ARE brahmins)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too many to list, but you'll be wondering who's that? Since communist, British and missionaries made sure no one in India would know the contribution of South Indians to Hinduism. The Agamas are in Tamil and are ancient, they are as Hindu as other sacred Hindu writings. Narayana Guru in South India made great contributions to Hinduism in recent times. These you must know of.
To which temples in India are the Gods still <i>seen</i> visiting by the locals, villagers or otherwise? Uma and Maheshwaran, Lakshmi and Vishnu, Kartikeya, Indran, Suryan and all the others, South India is full of them.
Even the most 'simple' villager knows how to do Surya Namaskaram. Do you? Without having to look it up online. They know how to ask the Gods to make it rain in the villages. Do you? Do you see the Hindu Gods? Or are you only getting the silent treatment of Yahweh (who cannot be seen or heard or felt in this world) in your Brahmo-Samaji-Hare-Krishna reforms?
Shiva and Uma, Vishnu and Lakshmi, the Devargal are not <i>Dravidian</i> or <i>Vedic Aryan</i> inventions. They are pan-Indian subcontinent Gods. These are the Gods of all the people down to Sri Lanka. Bengal is still Shaktic isn't it? It was historically. Kashmir was Shaivaite and Shaktic. Afghanistan was very Shaivaite.
Where are the Devargal still worshipped? Indra, Agni, Vayu, Varuna, Surya? The Navagrahas? Where do we still know how to pronounce Sanskrit properly and not turn it into Hindi ('Mahabharat, Ramayan, Arjun, Bhim, Ram')? Where are horses and dogs still given names like Arya? Where do people still give names of Gods and Goddesses to their children? Where do the villagers still tell the Ramayanam, Mahabharatam to their children? Where do the brahmanas still pronounce the Vedic rites properly and invoke the Gods? Where do the 'simplest' villagers know that their ancestors were Hindu since the beginning of India, in spite of villains hitting us over the head for centuries with the AIT/Christian/Dravidian-NorthIndian/Islamist theories? [Answer: South India. Possibly other parts of India, too - including the North]
You are free to call a spade a spade. But please, stick to your day-job of identifying spades.
By the way, Pakistan's ISI called. They've fired all their ignorant pseudo-scholars. They want to hire you, because you're doing a better job than of all them. Though as ill-informed as those they sacked, they think you're more useful, being a Hindu.
No offense to other Hindus, Jains, etc. from North India. The only differences I see are regional.
And, except for the AIT people and the Pakistani pan-Islamist groups operating under titles like Dalitstan, no knowledgeable and sane Hindu says that the Vanara were not monkeys but were instead the Dravidians/Austro Asiatics/all-except-your-close-circle.
Maybe you think that Vyasa and Valmiki didn't know they meant 'Austro Asiatic' not tail and confused the two. Then again, maybe you're just wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->9) from which script do all indian scripts come from??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Brahmi???? The west says that Brahmi was developed in the Middle-East somewhere. The South Indian Dravidianist groups say that it was a South Indian invention. What's the point of (9) unless you want someone to tell you current theories (however right or wrong) don't support you?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->10) who exactly are the namboodhris and when did malayalam come into existance as a language seperate from tamil??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Namboothiris are Brahmanas. According to all except 1 or 2 maths, Sri Shankaracharya was born in the 4th or 5th century <i>bc</i>. That is the period he lived in according to tradition. However, one Namboothiripad, a <i>communist</i>, claims that according to his research (conducted in the usual 'scholarly' communist manner with the usual communist honesty) that Namboothiris came to South India in the 5th, no 6th, no 7th, no now it's 8th century ad. One or two South Indian maths accepted the 5th century date that the AIT-English gave for Sri Shankaracharya.
Malayalam is a Sanskritised version of an old South Indian language that had already been separate from Tamil for a long time. Malayalam is not a version of Tamil, no more than Urdu being a version of Bengali.
The brahmins of Tamil Nadu, Karnataka (including the Tulu/Bunt brahmins), Andhra are local brahmanas. They are not Gowda Saraswats who came from the north in recent times (no offense to them either, just clarifying). The Namboothiris are thought to have come from the North too, but when it is not known. Obviously, it was much earlier than Sri Shankaracharya. On the other hand, many of the Namboothiris today might have just been the locals too - trained as brahmanas by those who came to teach from the North.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->11) avestan language and religion are cognate with which language and which religious treatise ??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Avestan is a later version of ancient Iranian. Ancient Iranian and Vedic Sanskrit are related. Which proves nothing. Tamil and Kannada are thought to be related. So? Did you invent Sanskrit? You didn't. What a surprise. Don't take credit for something you had no involvement in. At least my father speaks Sanskrit, paternal grandfather's mother wrote letters in Sanskrit. My uncle on the paternal side's mother was a Hindu Scholar who debated philosophy in Sanskrit and won against male Brahmanas, and Jainas (not in Sanskrit). They are also all of them excellent in Tamil on my maternal side and Kannada on my paternal side. My grandfather taught Kannada, Sanskrit, Maths and Science to <i>all</i> the village children. No varna-based discrimination. These children were all, without exception, good at learning. That includes their accomplishments in Sanskrit: essay writing, poetry, prose.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->12) according to the purans, which area was called as aryavarta??<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Puranas only mention it at the time the regions N of the Vindhya were called Aryavarta. Eventually, Aryavarta would included the rest of India. Krunvanto Visham Aryam. By the time the Chinese visited India, and Buddhist monks from South India travelled to China, the Chinese referred to South India as being part of Aryavarta and Bharatavarsha too. Geez.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->13) finally can we have some examples of tamil luminaries who are NOT brahmin (swamynathan, cv raman, ramanujam, radha krishnan, etc - all i know of ARE brahmins)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Too many to list, but you'll be wondering who's that? Since communist, British and missionaries made sure no one in India would know the contribution of South Indians to Hinduism. The Agamas are in Tamil and are ancient, they are as Hindu as other sacred Hindu writings. Narayana Guru in South India made great contributions to Hinduism in recent times. These you must know of.
To which temples in India are the Gods still <i>seen</i> visiting by the locals, villagers or otherwise? Uma and Maheshwaran, Lakshmi and Vishnu, Kartikeya, Indran, Suryan and all the others, South India is full of them.
Even the most 'simple' villager knows how to do Surya Namaskaram. Do you? Without having to look it up online. They know how to ask the Gods to make it rain in the villages. Do you? Do you see the Hindu Gods? Or are you only getting the silent treatment of Yahweh (who cannot be seen or heard or felt in this world) in your Brahmo-Samaji-Hare-Krishna reforms?
Shiva and Uma, Vishnu and Lakshmi, the Devargal are not <i>Dravidian</i> or <i>Vedic Aryan</i> inventions. They are pan-Indian subcontinent Gods. These are the Gods of all the people down to Sri Lanka. Bengal is still Shaktic isn't it? It was historically. Kashmir was Shaivaite and Shaktic. Afghanistan was very Shaivaite.
Where are the Devargal still worshipped? Indra, Agni, Vayu, Varuna, Surya? The Navagrahas? Where do we still know how to pronounce Sanskrit properly and not turn it into Hindi ('Mahabharat, Ramayan, Arjun, Bhim, Ram')? Where are horses and dogs still given names like Arya? Where do people still give names of Gods and Goddesses to their children? Where do the villagers still tell the Ramayanam, Mahabharatam to their children? Where do the brahmanas still pronounce the Vedic rites properly and invoke the Gods? Where do the 'simplest' villagers know that their ancestors were Hindu since the beginning of India, in spite of villains hitting us over the head for centuries with the AIT/Christian/Dravidian-NorthIndian/Islamist theories? [Answer: South India. Possibly other parts of India, too - including the North]
You are free to call a spade a spade. But please, stick to your day-job of identifying spades.
By the way, Pakistan's ISI called. They've fired all their ignorant pseudo-scholars. They want to hire you, because you're doing a better job than of all them. Though as ill-informed as those they sacked, they think you're more useful, being a Hindu.
No offense to other Hindus, Jains, etc. from North India. The only differences I see are regional.