Post 257:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bengalis not being Aryans. In ethinicity context or cultural context?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sorry Sroy, you misunderstand. I was not stating my own opinion on this matter. I was regurgitating the stance of <i>some</i> pro-AIT 'scholars' and some vocal anti-Hindu sites who want to see another partition in the East. I wanted to tell Benjamin-I'm-A-Bengali-Hence-Aryan-South-Indians-Are-Non-Contributors that his is not the only opinion on the matter.
My own opinion on the parameters of Bengali:
- Ethnically, Bengalis are Indian - very ancient Indian with continuous input from west India and vice-versa (export to West India).
- Linguistically: Bengali is Indo-Aryan as the language family is defined in <i>Indology</i>. Bengalis must have spoken Sanskrit prior to Bengali.
- Culturally: Vedic, like many Hindu communities all over India, NSEW.
- Religion-wise: Hindu
My opinion on the AIT is extremely low, I don't approve of the word Aryan other than as the Tamil word for Arya. To term Bengalis or other North Indians as <i>Aryan</i> is an insult in my opinion. They are not from Central Asia, but indigenous to India.
My own opinion of Bengalis as people:
- Vivekananda, Tagore, Aurobindo (I have yet to read his material other than some snippets posted in this forum, but my aunt is a great admirer of his teachings and has told me a little about him), too many too list.
- Shaktic (and Shaivite) people who are staunch Hindus.
- Sushmita Sen, Rani Mukherjee & her cousin Kajol, Mahima Choudhury - v. lovely. Ganguly - v. handsome.
- Don't know if Kalidas is Bengali, but if he is, you can guess my opinion about him.
My opinion of Benjamin:
pretty low, evidently, through his own fault: his elitist attitude is a serious turn off. His ignorance coupled with self-assurance that he is right even when he is clearly wrong (often happens in this and another thread) is highly cloying. What if a passerby believed his fictions just cause Ben claims he's a Hindu? Though this passerby got registered and posted back.
I would be sorry to find if others here share the same views as expressed by Ben in post 195. In which case I'd be in the wrong forum.
Sorry if at any time while I was arguing with Ben I inadvertently said anything offensive of Bengal or Bengalis. Never meant it <i>in the least</i>.
I also apologise for hijacking the thread, but I was not pleased that Ben's comments on the Non-contributing/non-Hindu/non-'Aryan' South got away scott-free with no one correcting him.
The AIT, whether accepted by Hindus or rejected, has left behind a stubborn belief, completely unsupported in our religion and scriptures, in a North-South division that is not just linguistic but also ethnic. I don't believe in it, though Ben clearly does.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Non-Aryanness (could not find a better word) upto a period was a definite truth in cultural context.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Use <i>non-Vedic</i>. I agree, Vedic-culture and religious scriptures and practises was definitely exported. I never said it wasn't. But Ben insists Hinduism was exported and that's a fallacy, a left-over of AIT.
I am in agreement with the rest of post 257.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bengalis not being Aryans. In ethinicity context or cultural context?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Sorry Sroy, you misunderstand. I was not stating my own opinion on this matter. I was regurgitating the stance of <i>some</i> pro-AIT 'scholars' and some vocal anti-Hindu sites who want to see another partition in the East. I wanted to tell Benjamin-I'm-A-Bengali-Hence-Aryan-South-Indians-Are-Non-Contributors that his is not the only opinion on the matter.
My own opinion on the parameters of Bengali:
- Ethnically, Bengalis are Indian - very ancient Indian with continuous input from west India and vice-versa (export to West India).
- Linguistically: Bengali is Indo-Aryan as the language family is defined in <i>Indology</i>. Bengalis must have spoken Sanskrit prior to Bengali.
- Culturally: Vedic, like many Hindu communities all over India, NSEW.
- Religion-wise: Hindu
My opinion on the AIT is extremely low, I don't approve of the word Aryan other than as the Tamil word for Arya. To term Bengalis or other North Indians as <i>Aryan</i> is an insult in my opinion. They are not from Central Asia, but indigenous to India.
My own opinion of Bengalis as people:
- Vivekananda, Tagore, Aurobindo (I have yet to read his material other than some snippets posted in this forum, but my aunt is a great admirer of his teachings and has told me a little about him), too many too list.
- Shaktic (and Shaivite) people who are staunch Hindus.
- Sushmita Sen, Rani Mukherjee & her cousin Kajol, Mahima Choudhury - v. lovely. Ganguly - v. handsome.
- Don't know if Kalidas is Bengali, but if he is, you can guess my opinion about him.
My opinion of Benjamin:
pretty low, evidently, through his own fault: his elitist attitude is a serious turn off. His ignorance coupled with self-assurance that he is right even when he is clearly wrong (often happens in this and another thread) is highly cloying. What if a passerby believed his fictions just cause Ben claims he's a Hindu? Though this passerby got registered and posted back.
I would be sorry to find if others here share the same views as expressed by Ben in post 195. In which case I'd be in the wrong forum.
Sorry if at any time while I was arguing with Ben I inadvertently said anything offensive of Bengal or Bengalis. Never meant it <i>in the least</i>.
I also apologise for hijacking the thread, but I was not pleased that Ben's comments on the Non-contributing/non-Hindu/non-'Aryan' South got away scott-free with no one correcting him.
The AIT, whether accepted by Hindus or rejected, has left behind a stubborn belief, completely unsupported in our religion and scriptures, in a North-South division that is not just linguistic but also ethnic. I don't believe in it, though Ben clearly does.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Non-Aryanness (could not find a better word) upto a period was a definite truth in cultural context.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Use <i>non-Vedic</i>. I agree, Vedic-culture and religious scriptures and practises was definitely exported. I never said it wasn't. But Ben insists Hinduism was exported and that's a fallacy, a left-over of AIT.
I am in agreement with the rest of post 257.