07-29-2006, 09:35 AM
What happened to "Jesus never existed" thread? I saw Bodhi's post when I checked last time and I wanted to reply to that. Admins are too quick to act.
We certainly need a thread to discuss problems, contradictions and myths present in christianism. Title of other thread could be changed to "Myths propagated by missionaries" or "Church: a political organization" or something like. We need the current thread to focus in activities of missionaries in India and harm they do here. In future, if another Annamma or Paulose comes to this thread, we could direct them to the other one.
When we counter church, we need to understand that the church is a very powerful organization with huge amount resources at its disposal. It enjoys patronage of many rich western governments and organizations. It employs latest marketing, psychological and media manipulation techniques. Their people infilterate into governments, political parties, NGOs and ensure that nobody could do any harm to them. They are very sophisticated in their operation. Compared to them, Hindu organizations have no real resource to fight them.
These christian organizations are engaged in a multipronged offensive against Hinduism. When Hindus counter one type of activity they would open another frontier with a different tactic and it will take some time for Hindus to recognize and counter that. As time progresses, there will be more christian converts and church will become more powerful. Effectively, Hindus are fighting a losing battle.
Effective method to counter this is to take battle to their territory. Make missionaries defensive, rather than offensive. The way to do is attack their root: question the very existence of Jesus Christ. Our objective here is not to prove if Jesus Christ existed or not. It is to collect enough evidences and arguments to tell missionaries that they are lying to us. Spread that point of view to ordinary people to make the work difficult for missionaries. If somebody wants to engage with missionaries, the thread should be a good reference.
Now, coming to Bodhi's argument against targeting Christ, I believe he is becoming too simpleton to deal with missionaries. Understand the enemy before dealing with them. Analyze how they targetted Hinduism. They started at the very root with AIT and hence they claimed Vedas and Upanishads to be written by them. Next they demonized Brahmanas. Then they made a north-south divide with dravidian race theory. Now they are doing dalit/uppercast divisions and got Shankaracharya arrested. If you want to counter this resourceful people, you need to target the root. I think this is the mistake Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahansa did. Otherwise we would not have been fighting missionaries 100 years after their death.
Coming to the argument that Jesus was in India for sometime, is there any evidence to show that the person mentioned in the Buddhist literature is the same person referred in Bible? If you google, you will get websites claiming that Jesus was in England, and if you ask Mormans, they will say that Jesus went to US after resurrection. Jesus in India theory is not accepted by prominent churches in west. Can that be another tactic of missionaries to find acceptance for Jesus in India? If he was a yogi in India, please put his picture or cross along with other dieties. Then somebody else will come and say why do worship and monkey, elephant or Kali and slowly get Hindu dieties from the scene.
Realize the threat and please reactivate the other thread.
We certainly need a thread to discuss problems, contradictions and myths present in christianism. Title of other thread could be changed to "Myths propagated by missionaries" or "Church: a political organization" or something like. We need the current thread to focus in activities of missionaries in India and harm they do here. In future, if another Annamma or Paulose comes to this thread, we could direct them to the other one.
When we counter church, we need to understand that the church is a very powerful organization with huge amount resources at its disposal. It enjoys patronage of many rich western governments and organizations. It employs latest marketing, psychological and media manipulation techniques. Their people infilterate into governments, political parties, NGOs and ensure that nobody could do any harm to them. They are very sophisticated in their operation. Compared to them, Hindu organizations have no real resource to fight them.
These christian organizations are engaged in a multipronged offensive against Hinduism. When Hindus counter one type of activity they would open another frontier with a different tactic and it will take some time for Hindus to recognize and counter that. As time progresses, there will be more christian converts and church will become more powerful. Effectively, Hindus are fighting a losing battle.
Effective method to counter this is to take battle to their territory. Make missionaries defensive, rather than offensive. The way to do is attack their root: question the very existence of Jesus Christ. Our objective here is not to prove if Jesus Christ existed or not. It is to collect enough evidences and arguments to tell missionaries that they are lying to us. Spread that point of view to ordinary people to make the work difficult for missionaries. If somebody wants to engage with missionaries, the thread should be a good reference.
Now, coming to Bodhi's argument against targeting Christ, I believe he is becoming too simpleton to deal with missionaries. Understand the enemy before dealing with them. Analyze how they targetted Hinduism. They started at the very root with AIT and hence they claimed Vedas and Upanishads to be written by them. Next they demonized Brahmanas. Then they made a north-south divide with dravidian race theory. Now they are doing dalit/uppercast divisions and got Shankaracharya arrested. If you want to counter this resourceful people, you need to target the root. I think this is the mistake Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahansa did. Otherwise we would not have been fighting missionaries 100 years after their death.
Coming to the argument that Jesus was in India for sometime, is there any evidence to show that the person mentioned in the Buddhist literature is the same person referred in Bible? If you google, you will get websites claiming that Jesus was in England, and if you ask Mormans, they will say that Jesus went to US after resurrection. Jesus in India theory is not accepted by prominent churches in west. Can that be another tactic of missionaries to find acceptance for Jesus in India? If he was a yogi in India, please put his picture or cross along with other dieties. Then somebody else will come and say why do worship and monkey, elephant or Kali and slowly get Hindu dieties from the scene.
Realize the threat and please reactivate the other thread.