07-29-2006, 11:41 AM
Ashyam I agree with your thoughts. Having said that, my humble opinion is that we do not need a thread to 'disprove' the existense of a Jesus. The work has already been done by pioneers like Albert Schweitzer, G.A.Wells, Arthur Avalon (pseudonym) and the like. There is nothing I saw in the other thread that added to what they had already done.
If you really wish to take on the missionaries, lend a keen ear to what Annamma and Paulose say. What stems from their faith can be ignored as faith knows no logic. But if you can, do counter them on the contractions that fills the bible, the inconsistencies, and the very absurdities (as mentioned in Arthur Avalon's "To Justin against Christianity" book.)
Another point to make is, it is worthless to discuss the existence of Christ in a forum level, it is quite another (and this is what I want to see world-wide, is to challenge the church into public debates on their claims.) What we need is multiple debates spearheaded in every locality, to seek and understand what drives christian missionaries to claim what they claim, and to expose the flimsiness and their absurdity.
The starting point is for you to get in touch with the Upanishads and to understand your own Dharma before spearheading such a public debate.
I do see your point in saying that the current thread focuses on missionary threats. But I do not think starting a new thread to discuss Jesus would take us anywhere.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When we counter church, we need to understand that the church is a very powerful organization with huge amount resources at its disposal. It enjoys patronage of many rich western governments and organizations. It employs latest marketing, psychological and media manipulation techniques. Their people infilterate into governments, political parties, NGOs and ensure that nobody could do any harm to them. They are very sophisticated in their operation. Compared to them, Hindu organizations have no real resource to fight them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hence David Frawley's call for the Intellectual Kshatriya. If we are deep-rooted in Truth, then Truth itself will be our weapon. When we adhere to Dharma unflinchingly, Dharma itself will protect us.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These christian organizations are engaged in a multipronged offensive against Hinduism. When Hindus counter one type of activity they would open another frontier with a different tactic and it will take some time for Hindus to recognize and counter that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When Hindus are not united, and try to retaliate (or just meekly observe) all frontiers, they lose sorely.
I quote Bruce Lee here:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee
<b>A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely â lay your life before him</b>
and...
<b>Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.</b>
If you really wish to take on the missionaries, lend a keen ear to what Annamma and Paulose say. What stems from their faith can be ignored as faith knows no logic. But if you can, do counter them on the contractions that fills the bible, the inconsistencies, and the very absurdities (as mentioned in Arthur Avalon's "To Justin against Christianity" book.)
Another point to make is, it is worthless to discuss the existence of Christ in a forum level, it is quite another (and this is what I want to see world-wide, is to challenge the church into public debates on their claims.) What we need is multiple debates spearheaded in every locality, to seek and understand what drives christian missionaries to claim what they claim, and to expose the flimsiness and their absurdity.
The starting point is for you to get in touch with the Upanishads and to understand your own Dharma before spearheading such a public debate.
I do see your point in saying that the current thread focuses on missionary threats. But I do not think starting a new thread to discuss Jesus would take us anywhere.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When we counter church, we need to understand that the church is a very powerful organization with huge amount resources at its disposal. It enjoys patronage of many rich western governments and organizations. It employs latest marketing, psychological and media manipulation techniques. Their people infilterate into governments, political parties, NGOs and ensure that nobody could do any harm to them. They are very sophisticated in their operation. Compared to them, Hindu organizations have no real resource to fight them.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hence David Frawley's call for the Intellectual Kshatriya. If we are deep-rooted in Truth, then Truth itself will be our weapon. When we adhere to Dharma unflinchingly, Dharma itself will protect us.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These christian organizations are engaged in a multipronged offensive against Hinduism. When Hindus counter one type of activity they would open another frontier with a different tactic and it will take some time for Hindus to recognize and counter that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When Hindus are not united, and try to retaliate (or just meekly observe) all frontiers, they lose sorely.
I quote Bruce Lee here:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee
<b>A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard. Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely â lay your life before him</b>
and...
<b>Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves.</b>