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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you say that indians are the most advance society ,the mother of all civilisations?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now, that's where you went wrong. In any case, most here (if not all) have said nothing about us being the mother of all civilisations. Not even Will Durant's famous quote on India said that.
However, what we have indicated repeatedly is that our ancestors have been the sole and whole authors of our <i>ancient</i> civilization - that is, the Hindu civilization of the Dharmic religions (Hindu, Jain, ...). This is what we have always known and been taught, until Europe showed us its worst face: colonisation and missionary activity. When that started (just a few centuries ago), European missionaries did the usual pseudo-research and concluded that some fictional Oryan race must have existed and invaded India and authored all our accomplishments except the Indus Valley civilization. Then they blamed our religion for some imagined racial divide that supposedly persists in something they named caste system. They claimed our civilization came from them, the Oryans: our language, our philosophy, our sciences, our ancestors' mentality, all our "good genes" (Europeans couldn't see past the darker brown skin of South Indians to see that Southern facial features are similar to North Indians'). And oh yes, they claimed that our beknighted condition after Islam and our poverty after European colonialism was caused by the miscegenation of those imagined Oryans with the indigenous races: our nation had fallen from the superior civilizational white ancestry because of having committed the European Christian taboo of intermarriage with dark indigenous races. They were stuck with such racist ideas and tried to poison us with them, infusing the nonsense into our education.
Our own recorded history (given in the Puranas and inferable from the Vedas and other nationwide Indian literature) tells us different: that we are the descendants of ancestors native to the same lands that Indians occupy now (+ Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Nepal and eventually transported to Sri Lanka). Our histories tell of one people, who eventually divided into many tribes but were linked by the same Dharma and culture. Our history tells us that our ancestors' accomplishments were their own and are our heritage, but are to be shared for the benefit of humanity. We do not need to steal the accomplishments of other people - whose civilizations, whether older or younger, more or less advanced than ours is not the question here. No need to blow others' candles out to make ours seem brighter, we are content with our happy flame.
Our scriptures speak of emigrations from our lands - especially emigrations from the Northwest. Immigrations are not mentioned. Genetics results, such as they are now, have confirmed this.
Archaeology has shown that the Indus Valley was never destroyed by any invaders and that it was not created by the people who according to the Invasion Theory were pushed down south and whom the west calls Dravidians today. In fact, archaeology has confirmed that there was a continuous culture there and anthropology has shown that the people who live in that region today are anthropologically the same as the people who lived there when the Indus Valley civilization was still thriving.
The European fantasy is fading like a fog in the bright sun. What we had always been taught and known about our own people's history is being confirmed.
We are happy for all civilizations in the world: the Chinese, Greek, Roman, African, American, etc., etc. What would the world be without diversity and varied progress and evolution?
But we are also happy to know that eventually the truth about our own civilization will be established: that in time, the credit for our ancestors' accomplishments, the validity of their experiences, their nativeness to the ancient India's soil, their time of life, sometimes even their existence itself (which quite a few ancient Indians have been denied), will be restored to them. Satyameva Jayate.
Likewise, I'd be very glad to see many other oppressed people in the world be given back their history. For instance, the Zimbabweans whose ancestors had built their city, which the European colonisers then claimed must have been built by white men.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->you say that indians are the most advance society ,the mother of all civilisations?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now, that's where you went wrong. In any case, most here (if not all) have said nothing about us being the mother of all civilisations. Not even Will Durant's famous quote on India said that.
However, what we have indicated repeatedly is that our ancestors have been the sole and whole authors of our <i>ancient</i> civilization - that is, the Hindu civilization of the Dharmic religions (Hindu, Jain, ...). This is what we have always known and been taught, until Europe showed us its worst face: colonisation and missionary activity. When that started (just a few centuries ago), European missionaries did the usual pseudo-research and concluded that some fictional Oryan race must have existed and invaded India and authored all our accomplishments except the Indus Valley civilization. Then they blamed our religion for some imagined racial divide that supposedly persists in something they named caste system. They claimed our civilization came from them, the Oryans: our language, our philosophy, our sciences, our ancestors' mentality, all our "good genes" (Europeans couldn't see past the darker brown skin of South Indians to see that Southern facial features are similar to North Indians'). And oh yes, they claimed that our beknighted condition after Islam and our poverty after European colonialism was caused by the miscegenation of those imagined Oryans with the indigenous races: our nation had fallen from the superior civilizational white ancestry because of having committed the European Christian taboo of intermarriage with dark indigenous races. They were stuck with such racist ideas and tried to poison us with them, infusing the nonsense into our education.
Our own recorded history (given in the Puranas and inferable from the Vedas and other nationwide Indian literature) tells us different: that we are the descendants of ancestors native to the same lands that Indians occupy now (+ Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Nepal and eventually transported to Sri Lanka). Our histories tell of one people, who eventually divided into many tribes but were linked by the same Dharma and culture. Our history tells us that our ancestors' accomplishments were their own and are our heritage, but are to be shared for the benefit of humanity. We do not need to steal the accomplishments of other people - whose civilizations, whether older or younger, more or less advanced than ours is not the question here. No need to blow others' candles out to make ours seem brighter, we are content with our happy flame.
Our scriptures speak of emigrations from our lands - especially emigrations from the Northwest. Immigrations are not mentioned. Genetics results, such as they are now, have confirmed this.
Archaeology has shown that the Indus Valley was never destroyed by any invaders and that it was not created by the people who according to the Invasion Theory were pushed down south and whom the west calls Dravidians today. In fact, archaeology has confirmed that there was a continuous culture there and anthropology has shown that the people who live in that region today are anthropologically the same as the people who lived there when the Indus Valley civilization was still thriving.
The European fantasy is fading like a fog in the bright sun. What we had always been taught and known about our own people's history is being confirmed.
We are happy for all civilizations in the world: the Chinese, Greek, Roman, African, American, etc., etc. What would the world be without diversity and varied progress and evolution?
But we are also happy to know that eventually the truth about our own civilization will be established: that in time, the credit for our ancestors' accomplishments, the validity of their experiences, their nativeness to the ancient India's soil, their time of life, sometimes even their existence itself (which quite a few ancient Indians have been denied), will be restored to them. Satyameva Jayate.
Likewise, I'd be very glad to see many other oppressed people in the world be given back their history. For instance, the Zimbabweans whose ancestors had built their city, which the European colonisers then claimed must have been built by white men.