07-08-2006, 06:12 PM
[one of the charges that the christians levelled against the greeks was that their philosophy was stolen from the ancient egyptians. Evidently this was well known in the cauldron known as the ANE... [QUOTE]
The intercultural exchange cant be name stealing.You again make a confusion betwin philosophy and wisdom.Egiptians was wise,is true.Egiptians didnt have any interest in metaphisics and more,egiptian language didnt have any words for metaphisical concepts.Is nothing so far from a speculative philosophical mind as the egiptian mind.Philosophy was invented by IE and was in the most of historic time a IE buisnies .90% of world philosophy came from IE people and IE language is especialy suitable for speculative tinking.
Folow this:
-Vedas-non-philosophical,Contain mitical and theological elements
-Brahmanas-the pass from mitical to speculative tinking,the begining of indian philosophy
-Upanishade-philosophy in the true sense of the word.
If you want to find a external place for greek philosophy beter look at IE anatolians like hitites.I dont know if you read the hittite rituals,hymns and prayers,you can see not only a hittite mithology but also the elevate language of hitite theology;the most advance tinking and elevate language at that time.I see also stilistic similarites betwin hitite hymns,vedas and orthodox hymns.Seem that speculative tinking was moving to Greece after the fall of hitites and lydians.
BUt yes greeks came from the north,from thracian lands starting whit 1900 bc(aheans),1700bc(dorians),1200bc(ionians).They mixed whit the pre-existent cretans and pelasgians(probably non-IE).
HIndu-Kush and desert nearby are also hard to cross,while is no obsatcole betwin europe and central asia.
Egiptian or amerindian pre-columbian legends say that from their country all the world populations came.They was the origin and center of humans.why not the indians make same asertations base on legends.
Are not hard evidence that schitians-sarmatians speak IE but is posible that they speak tukish.Also Kurgan people can be turkish. Sarmatians have identical dress like ancestors of romanians;and romanian tribes getae and dakia are the ancestors of jat and dahya people from Punjab,and are still populations in Bihar that speak almost romanian.By the way Bihar (or Bihor county)exist also in Romania and by coincidence are many people there whit the name Krishan(similar whit Krishna) and Vishan(similar whit Vishnu)also the river Krish(black).
About rumanian i disagree that latin came from Italy to Romania .Is another way around.Even in Eneida- the story about origin of Rome city ,say that after the trojian war ,the thracian Enea go in Italy and building Rome.The thracian latin go and mixed whit etruscians and other native languages and formed the amaizing 1500 !! dialects of italian(more then all dialects of India) .The romans was less then 3% (and genetic show same thing)of thracian population during the roman empire.They didnt need to learn a new language from the backwards romans.All the european famly language are find in Balkan.
They say that the romanian word "apa"-water is from the italian "aqua",but more similar word we find in sanskrit "ap,apas", and persian "ab".Or the romanain word for sun-"soare" came from the italian "sol" ,while more similar word you find in sanskrit "surya" or persian"saura".The same ca be said about other 4000 words. In fact we can say that romanian vocabulary is equaly close to persian or sanskrit as to latin.
This laundry just show how many tings was develop out-side India.And i was trying to make it as small as posible.
IF the horse is so present in indus culture ,why some like Rajaram make forgery whit Harappa seals showing horses.?
I was meaning that from 1500BC to 300 bc you cant find any develope sculpture in India.I know about the sculptures from Indus culture ,but this art was lost after the fall of this civilisation.The same hapend in Greece.We have well develop art in Minoic culture,but after the fall of it,betwin 1400bc and 600 bc we find only primitive sculpture in Greece.Also you can find influence from Assiria(700bc) and Persia(500bc) to mauryan period regarding ornaments and dress.
I tink that palaces from Harappa are religios temples,like the cretan or neolithic balkan palaces which was also. Thats why you cant find any temple in Indus culture.The palace is the temple.If the sumerians have zigurates,the cretans and harappans have temple-palace.
Provide links to prove your funny facts. This is serious dicussion forum, not IER jokers club.
Thanks. [QUOTE]
Im not loosing my pretious time to make jokes. I gona try to provide links about neolithic yoga and acupuncture in english.My links sites are mostly in romanian and i didnt find cognate links in english .
This is a balkanic statue from 4500 bC in LOTUS yoga position:
http://images.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN
http://jyee1.netian.com/crete-heramuseum...dess-l.jpg
The intercultural exchange cant be name stealing.You again make a confusion betwin philosophy and wisdom.Egiptians was wise,is true.Egiptians didnt have any interest in metaphisics and more,egiptian language didnt have any words for metaphisical concepts.Is nothing so far from a speculative philosophical mind as the egiptian mind.Philosophy was invented by IE and was in the most of historic time a IE buisnies .90% of world philosophy came from IE people and IE language is especialy suitable for speculative tinking.
Folow this:
-Vedas-non-philosophical,Contain mitical and theological elements
-Brahmanas-the pass from mitical to speculative tinking,the begining of indian philosophy
-Upanishade-philosophy in the true sense of the word.
If you want to find a external place for greek philosophy beter look at IE anatolians like hitites.I dont know if you read the hittite rituals,hymns and prayers,you can see not only a hittite mithology but also the elevate language of hitite theology;the most advance tinking and elevate language at that time.I see also stilistic similarites betwin hitite hymns,vedas and orthodox hymns.Seem that speculative tinking was moving to Greece after the fall of hitites and lydians.
BUt yes greeks came from the north,from thracian lands starting whit 1900 bc(aheans),1700bc(dorians),1200bc(ionians).They mixed whit the pre-existent cretans and pelasgians(probably non-IE).
HIndu-Kush and desert nearby are also hard to cross,while is no obsatcole betwin europe and central asia.
Egiptian or amerindian pre-columbian legends say that from their country all the world populations came.They was the origin and center of humans.why not the indians make same asertations base on legends.
Are not hard evidence that schitians-sarmatians speak IE but is posible that they speak tukish.Also Kurgan people can be turkish. Sarmatians have identical dress like ancestors of romanians;and romanian tribes getae and dakia are the ancestors of jat and dahya people from Punjab,and are still populations in Bihar that speak almost romanian.By the way Bihar (or Bihor county)exist also in Romania and by coincidence are many people there whit the name Krishan(similar whit Krishna) and Vishan(similar whit Vishnu)also the river Krish(black).
About rumanian i disagree that latin came from Italy to Romania .Is another way around.Even in Eneida- the story about origin of Rome city ,say that after the trojian war ,the thracian Enea go in Italy and building Rome.The thracian latin go and mixed whit etruscians and other native languages and formed the amaizing 1500 !! dialects of italian(more then all dialects of India) .The romans was less then 3% (and genetic show same thing)of thracian population during the roman empire.They didnt need to learn a new language from the backwards romans.All the european famly language are find in Balkan.
They say that the romanian word "apa"-water is from the italian "aqua",but more similar word we find in sanskrit "ap,apas", and persian "ab".Or the romanain word for sun-"soare" came from the italian "sol" ,while more similar word you find in sanskrit "surya" or persian"saura".The same ca be said about other 4000 words. In fact we can say that romanian vocabulary is equaly close to persian or sanskrit as to latin.
This laundry just show how many tings was develop out-side India.And i was trying to make it as small as posible.
IF the horse is so present in indus culture ,why some like Rajaram make forgery whit Harappa seals showing horses.?
I was meaning that from 1500BC to 300 bc you cant find any develope sculpture in India.I know about the sculptures from Indus culture ,but this art was lost after the fall of this civilisation.The same hapend in Greece.We have well develop art in Minoic culture,but after the fall of it,betwin 1400bc and 600 bc we find only primitive sculpture in Greece.Also you can find influence from Assiria(700bc) and Persia(500bc) to mauryan period regarding ornaments and dress.
I tink that palaces from Harappa are religios temples,like the cretan or neolithic balkan palaces which was also. Thats why you cant find any temple in Indus culture.The palace is the temple.If the sumerians have zigurates,the cretans and harappans have temple-palace.
Provide links to prove your funny facts. This is serious dicussion forum, not IER jokers club.
Thanks. [QUOTE]
Im not loosing my pretious time to make jokes. I gona try to provide links about neolithic yoga and acupuncture in english.My links sites are mostly in romanian and i didnt find cognate links in english .
This is a balkanic statue from 4500 bC in LOTUS yoga position:
http://images.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN
http://jyee1.netian.com/crete-heramuseum...dess-l.jpg