07-15-2006, 10:40 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-utepian+Jul 14 2006, 08:36 PM-->QUOTE(utepian @ Jul 14 2006, 08:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I think if every one of us convinces our family, friends, neighbors, and people living in our community (go to temples and argue with priest, go to community functions and talk to people, distribute pamphlets) you would be surprised at the support you get.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry pal. Tried it. Talking to anyone with more than a high school diploma will be an exercise in revelation of how much <b>"support" you will not get.</b>
Sad, but obsession with self flagellation is unbelievably excessive.
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I think i support teh previous quote. we must start talking. even if it was tried and failed we must be tireless in talking to people about the need of uniting Hindus. and this must start close to once 'circle of influence'. we must have few talking points that we must bring up with out friends, some new revelations not just rhetoric but facts that the common people would not know.
For any one who is in US must know how well the Republicans use their simple talking points to make it understandable for people. We must keep out arguments short and simple. and have 100% conviction in waht we say. i suggest following.
<b>Talking points (please help solidify this)</b>
<b>1) Babri mosque demolition</b>
It was not fanaticism. Illegal - Yes, Fanaticism - No <i>(we must be very clear and strong about this)</i>-
Muslims had given up the use of the mosque as it was too small and 5 more mosques were constructed around that mosques to replace it by 1943 <i>(can any one verify this?)</i>
Muslims in ayodhya had signed affidavit giving the permission for its use by Hindus<i> (can any one confirm this? if it is true we must say this every time like a mantra)</i>
Mosques are demolished in Islamic countries to built infrastructure <i>(Can any one confirm this? I have heard this, not sure if it is true)</i>
We must not depend on mainstream media to spread this words. if they are true (we must confirm) then we should spread it through blogs, personal contacts etc. media will eventually pick it up.
<b>2) <i>Their Argument</i>: Majority of Muslims are not terrorists so they should not be hated</b>
<i>Counterargument</i>: The fact that majority of Muslims are not terrorists, in itself is not good enough to prevent the apprehension towards the Muslims. <i>(If majority of Muslims were terrorist than they could be identified and fought with.)</i>
The apprehension (hate) towards Muslims is primarily due to the fact that, Muslims who are otherwise normal and perhaps genuinely friendly at one time could very quickly become of extremists view/terrorist.
This may sound too simple, but it is clearly the argument that should be used again and again against- 'we are not all terrorists'. Terrorists are not the problem, the strong potential of regular and unsuspecting Muslims becoming extremist is.
3) Every religion have extremists in them.
The problem again is not the presence of extremist, but absence of moderates in Islam who should themselves control the extremist in Islam. So far the best moderate Muslims are able to do is not participate in extremism themselves (in favor of their own well being). Most of the so called moderates are in fact most likely in support of the âcauseâ of the extremist may be not their action. That kind of soft stand from moderates is what encourages extremisms.
4) <b>2) <i>Their Argument</i>: Israel is heavy handed to Palestinians, that is causing all the hate in Muslims community towards non Muslims. </b>
If the balance of power in middle east was inverse, the Arabs would make the situations of Jews worst then that of Palestinians right now. The Israelis exercise such excessive power because they are not able to trust their survival on the âfriendshipâ with the Arabs. Muslisms were there before the Israelis creeped in- yes. But they won the right to stay in Israel by fighting a legitimate war against Arabs, just the way Muslims won the right to stay their by fighting the war against Christians.
5) <b>Kashmir</b>
No one else has a right to even talk about Kashmir. It is and always will be a integral apart of India . (period) no arguments here.
Sorry pal. Tried it. Talking to anyone with more than a high school diploma will be an exercise in revelation of how much <b>"support" you will not get.</b>
Sad, but obsession with self flagellation is unbelievably excessive.
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I think i support teh previous quote. we must start talking. even if it was tried and failed we must be tireless in talking to people about the need of uniting Hindus. and this must start close to once 'circle of influence'. we must have few talking points that we must bring up with out friends, some new revelations not just rhetoric but facts that the common people would not know.
For any one who is in US must know how well the Republicans use their simple talking points to make it understandable for people. We must keep out arguments short and simple. and have 100% conviction in waht we say. i suggest following.
<b>Talking points (please help solidify this)</b>
<b>1) Babri mosque demolition</b>
It was not fanaticism. Illegal - Yes, Fanaticism - No <i>(we must be very clear and strong about this)</i>-
Muslims had given up the use of the mosque as it was too small and 5 more mosques were constructed around that mosques to replace it by 1943 <i>(can any one verify this?)</i>
Muslims in ayodhya had signed affidavit giving the permission for its use by Hindus<i> (can any one confirm this? if it is true we must say this every time like a mantra)</i>
Mosques are demolished in Islamic countries to built infrastructure <i>(Can any one confirm this? I have heard this, not sure if it is true)</i>
We must not depend on mainstream media to spread this words. if they are true (we must confirm) then we should spread it through blogs, personal contacts etc. media will eventually pick it up.
<b>2) <i>Their Argument</i>: Majority of Muslims are not terrorists so they should not be hated</b>
<i>Counterargument</i>: The fact that majority of Muslims are not terrorists, in itself is not good enough to prevent the apprehension towards the Muslims. <i>(If majority of Muslims were terrorist than they could be identified and fought with.)</i>
The apprehension (hate) towards Muslims is primarily due to the fact that, Muslims who are otherwise normal and perhaps genuinely friendly at one time could very quickly become of extremists view/terrorist.
This may sound too simple, but it is clearly the argument that should be used again and again against- 'we are not all terrorists'. Terrorists are not the problem, the strong potential of regular and unsuspecting Muslims becoming extremist is.
3) Every religion have extremists in them.
The problem again is not the presence of extremist, but absence of moderates in Islam who should themselves control the extremist in Islam. So far the best moderate Muslims are able to do is not participate in extremism themselves (in favor of their own well being). Most of the so called moderates are in fact most likely in support of the âcauseâ of the extremist may be not their action. That kind of soft stand from moderates is what encourages extremisms.
4) <b>2) <i>Their Argument</i>: Israel is heavy handed to Palestinians, that is causing all the hate in Muslims community towards non Muslims. </b>
If the balance of power in middle east was inverse, the Arabs would make the situations of Jews worst then that of Palestinians right now. The Israelis exercise such excessive power because they are not able to trust their survival on the âfriendshipâ with the Arabs. Muslisms were there before the Israelis creeped in- yes. But they won the right to stay in Israel by fighting a legitimate war against Arabs, just the way Muslims won the right to stay their by fighting the war against Christians.
5) <b>Kashmir</b>
No one else has a right to even talk about Kashmir. It is and always will be a integral apart of India . (period) no arguments here.