07-21-2006, 08:42 PM
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I came upon this site while surfing the net; and while I am rather surprised at the vehemence of some of the opinions expressed, I registered thinking that a frank exchange of views is always educational and helpful.
I am an Indian Christian, living in India. The church in India can basically be understood as having Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant/ Reformed groups. People move from one church to the other with some fluidity, so, for eg, i was part of an orthodox group, now am part of a "protestant" church, and have many Catholic inputs, too. Apart from the regular churches, there are many Christian organisations which are not churches, but are set up for specific aims, such as educational, social work, evangelism, and so on.
I don't think we are as horrible as you people seem to think!! Always open to comments, this is Annamma
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Annamma,
The main reason you seem to have joined this forum is that you were surprised at the "hateful" messages that have been posted in this forum against Chrisianity.
Pls answer the following questions truthfully. This could help you understand your own religion better and also why I and other forum member feel so strongly about your religion.
1) Do Hindus have a right to practice their own religion and their own culture or do you beleive they have to become christians? When you see a hindu or any other non-christian, do you think they are sinning and their souls have to be saved?
2) How do you view conversions by bribe or coersion/force? Did you get repulsed when nuns were offering food to Tsunami victims on the condition that they convert? Or did you think the nuns were just doing their christian duty to save souls?
Now if your answer to the first question is "yes hindus have a right to practice their own religion and culture without any interference from christian missionary" then I agree with you entirely and we have nothing more to discuss. The "hateful" messages were not intended for good christians like you.
If you answered "no, all people in the world should be converted", it still is not so bad. Afterall, you believe that your path is the best and you can try to convince others as per the rights that our constitution guarantees (which BTW is given only to individuals not to christian organizations that use their money power to further conversions). This is where the second question comes in. Do you think any means is ok to convert? If you were disgusted at your fellow christians when the nuns tried to blackmail hindus with food for converting, I again dont have any quarrels with you, other than that why did you not protest their actions/methods. But if you think it is ok, you join the majority of christians, including your catholic pope john paul II, who think nothing is wrong when it comes to bringing HIS kingdom on earth (that BTW is one of the stupidest things about christianity. Why does your god reward believers like yourself only after the others have also converted? Does your god not love you unconditionally). The pope has said he frowns upon the practice of offering bribes but ofcourse does not outright condemn the practice as he likes the results, ie the ends justify the means. How you do it is as important as what you want to achieve. Once you justify a crime based on results, there is no stopping further wrongdoings. You will have no compuction in committing murder, rape and pillage and justify it as means towards just cause. This is where christianity is very similar to Islam and communism. All crimes were/are committed by muslims and commies as conversion and revolution is the desired result.
Again, if you just believe in christ without trying to force your opinion on others, good for you. Eventhough your religion is absolutely ridiculous, I will not interfere with your belief. Afterall, aren't there people dumb enough to believe in UFOs and flying saucers. I certainly have as much interest in convincing these UFO believers as I would have in converting you.
JUST to satisfy my curiosity, what is the etymology of your name? Is it annam (food, rice) + amma or is it indianization of anna (like anna kounikova)?
Peace be upon you.
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I came upon this site while surfing the net; and while I am rather surprised at the vehemence of some of the opinions expressed, I registered thinking that a frank exchange of views is always educational and helpful.
I am an Indian Christian, living in India. The church in India can basically be understood as having Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant/ Reformed groups. People move from one church to the other with some fluidity, so, for eg, i was part of an orthodox group, now am part of a "protestant" church, and have many Catholic inputs, too. Apart from the regular churches, there are many Christian organisations which are not churches, but are set up for specific aims, such as educational, social work, evangelism, and so on.
I don't think we are as horrible as you people seem to think!! Always open to comments, this is Annamma
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Annamma,
The main reason you seem to have joined this forum is that you were surprised at the "hateful" messages that have been posted in this forum against Chrisianity.
Pls answer the following questions truthfully. This could help you understand your own religion better and also why I and other forum member feel so strongly about your religion.
1) Do Hindus have a right to practice their own religion and their own culture or do you beleive they have to become christians? When you see a hindu or any other non-christian, do you think they are sinning and their souls have to be saved?
2) How do you view conversions by bribe or coersion/force? Did you get repulsed when nuns were offering food to Tsunami victims on the condition that they convert? Or did you think the nuns were just doing their christian duty to save souls?
Now if your answer to the first question is "yes hindus have a right to practice their own religion and culture without any interference from christian missionary" then I agree with you entirely and we have nothing more to discuss. The "hateful" messages were not intended for good christians like you.
If you answered "no, all people in the world should be converted", it still is not so bad. Afterall, you believe that your path is the best and you can try to convince others as per the rights that our constitution guarantees (which BTW is given only to individuals not to christian organizations that use their money power to further conversions). This is where the second question comes in. Do you think any means is ok to convert? If you were disgusted at your fellow christians when the nuns tried to blackmail hindus with food for converting, I again dont have any quarrels with you, other than that why did you not protest their actions/methods. But if you think it is ok, you join the majority of christians, including your catholic pope john paul II, who think nothing is wrong when it comes to bringing HIS kingdom on earth (that BTW is one of the stupidest things about christianity. Why does your god reward believers like yourself only after the others have also converted? Does your god not love you unconditionally). The pope has said he frowns upon the practice of offering bribes but ofcourse does not outright condemn the practice as he likes the results, ie the ends justify the means. How you do it is as important as what you want to achieve. Once you justify a crime based on results, there is no stopping further wrongdoings. You will have no compuction in committing murder, rape and pillage and justify it as means towards just cause. This is where christianity is very similar to Islam and communism. All crimes were/are committed by muslims and commies as conversion and revolution is the desired result.
Again, if you just believe in christ without trying to force your opinion on others, good for you. Eventhough your religion is absolutely ridiculous, I will not interfere with your belief. Afterall, aren't there people dumb enough to believe in UFOs and flying saucers. I certainly have as much interest in convincing these UFO believers as I would have in converting you.
JUST to satisfy my curiosity, what is the etymology of your name? Is it annam (food, rice) + amma or is it indianization of anna (like anna kounikova)?
Peace be upon you.