07-22-2006, 05:21 PM
Mitradena,
I would say there is historical proof for jesus' existence. Josephus and Tacitus, historians of that time, (both not Christians, or favourable to Christians) speak about him. Also, the sudden rise of the Christian community, the passion of the early disciples reaching the point were they were willing to die for their beliefs, cannot be easily explained if there was no historical person they claimed they saw and heard.
Agnivayu,
I hope you're not including me among the "fundamentalist Christians on their high horse"!! I agree with you on a lot of things. Pat Robertson is an insensitive, boorish man javascript:emoticon(':thumbdown'); yes, Christians have failed to live upto their master's teachings all too often..but "Christians trying to get world domination and government "and all that is your reaction. The bulk of Christians live, not in Europe and North America but in Asia and Africa, and South America, and we have enough on our hands just trying to live and work here, and do a little extra!! If <i>Americans </i>want to dominate the world, thats their peculiar national pre-occupation. Its not a Christian thing. Leave us out of it. ;-)
Ben ami,
Couldn't help chuckling at your response... but maybe, just maybe, its you who need to stop being so suspicious, and also under-rating us! We are neither as devious, nor as idiotic as you think us. ;-)
Bharatvarsh,
No, sadly, I cannot deny that some communities of Christians in india are also influenced, to some degree, by the caste system.
However, my point was simply that all people make mistakes and have failed morally and no community can claim to be only a victim; it is also the perpetrator of abuse/ violence. That includes Christians/ Muslims and Hindus, all.
I would say there is historical proof for jesus' existence. Josephus and Tacitus, historians of that time, (both not Christians, or favourable to Christians) speak about him. Also, the sudden rise of the Christian community, the passion of the early disciples reaching the point were they were willing to die for their beliefs, cannot be easily explained if there was no historical person they claimed they saw and heard.
Agnivayu,
I hope you're not including me among the "fundamentalist Christians on their high horse"!! I agree with you on a lot of things. Pat Robertson is an insensitive, boorish man javascript:emoticon(':thumbdown'); yes, Christians have failed to live upto their master's teachings all too often..but "Christians trying to get world domination and government "and all that is your reaction. The bulk of Christians live, not in Europe and North America but in Asia and Africa, and South America, and we have enough on our hands just trying to live and work here, and do a little extra!! If <i>Americans </i>want to dominate the world, thats their peculiar national pre-occupation. Its not a Christian thing. Leave us out of it. ;-)
Ben ami,
Couldn't help chuckling at your response... but maybe, just maybe, its you who need to stop being so suspicious, and also under-rating us! We are neither as devious, nor as idiotic as you think us. ;-)
Bharatvarsh,
No, sadly, I cannot deny that some communities of Christians in india are also influenced, to some degree, by the caste system.
However, my point was simply that all people make mistakes and have failed morally and no community can claim to be only a victim; it is also the perpetrator of abuse/ violence. That includes Christians/ Muslims and Hindus, all.