07-22-2006, 07:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I would say there is historical proof for jesus' existence. Josephus and Tacitus, historians of that time, (both not Christians, or favourable to Christians) speak about him.
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Wrong.
Go to http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephu...ml#tacitus
to get the exact quote from Tacitus. I going to quote from the website:
"Christianity has no part in Tacitus's history of the Caesars. Except for one questionable reference in the Annals he records nothing of a cult marginal even in his own day."
As for Josephus, his works were doctored by the Christian fanatics.
Quotes from http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html
"Not a single writer before the 4th century â not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. â in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephusâ wondrous words."
"In fact, the Josephus paragraph about Jesus does not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine."
"Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them.
They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ ! Finding no references to Jesus anywhere in Josephus's genuine work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Christian belief."
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, the sudden rise of the Christian community, the passion of the early disciples reaching the point were they were willing to die for their beliefs, cannot be easily explained if there was no historical person they claimed they saw and heard.
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All nonsense.
The Roman records don't even mention a town called Nazareth until the second century:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html
How come Orthodox Jews don't give a damn about these Christian "saviours"?
The Bible is a Jewish book. It is the history/mythology of their race.
The Jews don't accept the new testament as valid.
Since the Bible is their book, I would agree with their opinion instead of yours.
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Wrong.
Go to http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephu...ml#tacitus
to get the exact quote from Tacitus. I going to quote from the website:
"Christianity has no part in Tacitus's history of the Caesars. Except for one questionable reference in the Annals he records nothing of a cult marginal even in his own day."
As for Josephus, his works were doctored by the Christian fanatics.
Quotes from http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html
"Not a single writer before the 4th century â not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. â in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephusâ wondrous words."
"In fact, the Josephus paragraph about Jesus does not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine."
"Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them.
They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus Christ ! Finding no references to Jesus anywhere in Josephus's genuine work, they interpolated a brief but all-embracing reference based purely on Christian belief."
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, the sudden rise of the Christian community, the passion of the early disciples reaching the point were they were willing to die for their beliefs, cannot be easily explained if there was no historical person they claimed they saw and heard.
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All nonsense.
The Roman records don't even mention a town called Nazareth until the second century:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html
How come Orthodox Jews don't give a damn about these Christian "saviours"?
The Bible is a Jewish book. It is the history/mythology of their race.
The Jews don't accept the new testament as valid.
Since the Bible is their book, I would agree with their opinion instead of yours.