Sigh. Not another Christo. This is not a Hindu-Christian Dialogue thread.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BUt the same church people are responsible for all the developments in all fields in the world.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's right: you tell 'em like it is Paulose! Don't forget to give examples like how
- The Church closed down all the schools and hospitals of pagan Greece and Rome
(Still can't find that Catholic author's name who had written about Rome and what happened to it after Christianity)
- A few centuries back the Church stood firm that the Sun revolved around the Earth. And if anyone took any other opinion on the matter, they'd show 'em the door out of this life and into hell. That's a real development, note well.
- Not 2 centuries ago, the Church banned painkillers during childbirth. If it wasn't for Christianity, it would have been introduced sooner.
- Today many Churches are at the 'forefront' of biological sciences: how evolution (what all the real scientists are working on) is all a big hoax supposedly, and Intelligent Design (what the Christian 'scientists' are working on) is the truth. The Catholic Church and some British and Scottish Churches have carefully sidestepped the issue: can't blame them for not wanting to be made fools of in the scientific field again. They've decided to leave the science to scientists for a change.
Yes, at the forefront of all the fields in the world indeed: compassion (anti-hospitals, anti-anesthesia during birth), education (destroying schools and banning learning), science (anti-facts). What an accomplishment!
But, I should be gracious and admit that Christianity was very much at the forefront of one peculiar field: that of torture. Full marks for all the torture devices both catholics and protestants invented and used (yes, the protestants used them too).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Asking residents about crimes and atrocities has the similar meaning anywhere. If you ask dalits , they can also say a lot of <i>stories</i> about upper caste atrocities on them all over India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I love this new means of Christian obfuscation: that of ambivalence and avoiding the issue.
The difference is, the proof of historical Christian atrocities in India and elsewhere comes directly from Christian records (just as it is in the case of Islam). Whereas the same is not true for the other examples. Yes, I've read 2 dalits' books on the historical atrocities committed against their communities. Then I find they have not a single reference (which even other, non-Indian, reviewers commented upon). The only ill-fame they got, as per their own book, was from British colonial authors (who despised all Indians anyway) - but the books nevertheless figured that the 'cunning brahmins' who never even knew about their communities must have somehow been to blame. Perhaps, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the dalit authors for both books had Christian names (one was a Portuguese surname).
So at the end of the day, what we have is Christian official records of their atrocities against heathens of other countries; and we have Christian converts confirming (to the detail, curiously) the missionary lies from 2 centuries ago about 'upper castes' without giving references. For your information, brahmins aren't the ones harassing the 'dalits' - but as a Christo, you've already made up your mind (you'll find that those who refer to themselves as dalits are not Hindus but have converted into some other, particularly anti-Hindu, ideology).
Paulose, why don't you go visiting a Christian site where everyone will agree with your views? But you'd have to fit in with their denominational views of course, else they won't agree with you.
We're not Christians and we don't want to be Christian. And unlike many Hindus who think Christianity is a good religion, we <i>know</i> it is not. There's nothing to do here, as you see. It's too late. 1600+ years of documented violence and idiocy and ignorance against your say-so.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BUt the same church people are responsible for all the developments in all fields in the world.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That's right: you tell 'em like it is Paulose! Don't forget to give examples like how
- The Church closed down all the schools and hospitals of pagan Greece and Rome
(Still can't find that Catholic author's name who had written about Rome and what happened to it after Christianity)
- A few centuries back the Church stood firm that the Sun revolved around the Earth. And if anyone took any other opinion on the matter, they'd show 'em the door out of this life and into hell. That's a real development, note well.
- Not 2 centuries ago, the Church banned painkillers during childbirth. If it wasn't for Christianity, it would have been introduced sooner.
- Today many Churches are at the 'forefront' of biological sciences: how evolution (what all the real scientists are working on) is all a big hoax supposedly, and Intelligent Design (what the Christian 'scientists' are working on) is the truth. The Catholic Church and some British and Scottish Churches have carefully sidestepped the issue: can't blame them for not wanting to be made fools of in the scientific field again. They've decided to leave the science to scientists for a change.
Yes, at the forefront of all the fields in the world indeed: compassion (anti-hospitals, anti-anesthesia during birth), education (destroying schools and banning learning), science (anti-facts). What an accomplishment!
But, I should be gracious and admit that Christianity was very much at the forefront of one peculiar field: that of torture. Full marks for all the torture devices both catholics and protestants invented and used (yes, the protestants used them too).
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Asking residents about crimes and atrocities has the similar meaning anywhere. If you ask dalits , they can also say a lot of <i>stories</i> about upper caste atrocities on them all over India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I love this new means of Christian obfuscation: that of ambivalence and avoiding the issue.
The difference is, the proof of historical Christian atrocities in India and elsewhere comes directly from Christian records (just as it is in the case of Islam). Whereas the same is not true for the other examples. Yes, I've read 2 dalits' books on the historical atrocities committed against their communities. Then I find they have not a single reference (which even other, non-Indian, reviewers commented upon). The only ill-fame they got, as per their own book, was from British colonial authors (who despised all Indians anyway) - but the books nevertheless figured that the 'cunning brahmins' who never even knew about their communities must have somehow been to blame. Perhaps, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the dalit authors for both books had Christian names (one was a Portuguese surname).
So at the end of the day, what we have is Christian official records of their atrocities against heathens of other countries; and we have Christian converts confirming (to the detail, curiously) the missionary lies from 2 centuries ago about 'upper castes' without giving references. For your information, brahmins aren't the ones harassing the 'dalits' - but as a Christo, you've already made up your mind (you'll find that those who refer to themselves as dalits are not Hindus but have converted into some other, particularly anti-Hindu, ideology).
Paulose, why don't you go visiting a Christian site where everyone will agree with your views? But you'd have to fit in with their denominational views of course, else they won't agree with you.
We're not Christians and we don't want to be Christian. And unlike many Hindus who think Christianity is a good religion, we <i>know</i> it is not. There's nothing to do here, as you see. It's too late. 1600+ years of documented violence and idiocy and ignorance against your say-so.