07-24-2006, 04:14 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jul 24 2006, 03:59 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jul 24 2006, 03:59 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->You're changing the issue. You were comparing war (in Hindu literature) with slaughter of innocents in America (in historical records of Europe). Also, kshatriyas are not defenceless, and declared wars puts them on their guard.
If you think Hindu war=slaughter of innocents, you don't know anything about India. Our traditions laid down strict rules for combat.
War will be when one side is an aggressor (attacks you or another, defenceless person). You don't need to own a sword to die by one. Therefore fighting an aggressor is not wrong at all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did not change any issue here. I never claimed that innocents were not killed. Innocents were killed. Christianity has a role in many killings. That does not negate the graveness of other killings and other wars as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No. If Indians were <i>Christians</i> and colonised the Americas, this would have happened.
It is well-recorded by the Europeans themselves how they kept raving about their religion and Jeebus when killing the defenceless people of America. How the pagans had to die for their belief in 'satanism' (nevermind they'd never heard about Satan). We don't kill people for believing in other/many Gods.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was talking about Europeans. Europeans colonised and killed. If they believed in any other religion, this could have happened.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Our problem is with intolerance. No tolerance for intolerance. Native Americans are highly tolerant and friendly, as recorded by the murderous conquistadors who killed them all anyway.
It was Christian intolerance that killed the native Americans. It was Islamic intolerance that killed many Persians, converted others and chased them to India; and it was Christian intolerance under the Portuguese and Islamic intolerance under Muslim tyrants that killed many Hindus. And all of that is directly from ChristoIslamic records.
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You can believe in whatever way you want to. I do not object to that.
Have you heard about Kalinga war and why Asoka converted to Budhism after the war. If not read and get some idea.
If you think Hindu war=slaughter of innocents, you don't know anything about India. Our traditions laid down strict rules for combat.
War will be when one side is an aggressor (attacks you or another, defenceless person). You don't need to own a sword to die by one. Therefore fighting an aggressor is not wrong at all.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did not change any issue here. I never claimed that innocents were not killed. Innocents were killed. Christianity has a role in many killings. That does not negate the graveness of other killings and other wars as well.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No. If Indians were <i>Christians</i> and colonised the Americas, this would have happened.
It is well-recorded by the Europeans themselves how they kept raving about their religion and Jeebus when killing the defenceless people of America. How the pagans had to die for their belief in 'satanism' (nevermind they'd never heard about Satan). We don't kill people for believing in other/many Gods.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was talking about Europeans. Europeans colonised and killed. If they believed in any other religion, this could have happened.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Our problem is with intolerance. No tolerance for intolerance. Native Americans are highly tolerant and friendly, as recorded by the murderous conquistadors who killed them all anyway.
It was Christian intolerance that killed the native Americans. It was Islamic intolerance that killed many Persians, converted others and chased them to India; and it was Christian intolerance under the Portuguese and Islamic intolerance under Muslim tyrants that killed many Hindus. And all of that is directly from ChristoIslamic records.
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You can believe in whatever way you want to. I do not object to that.
Have you heard about Kalinga war and why Asoka converted to Budhism after the war. If not read and get some idea.