08-01-2006, 10:33 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-deepak+Jul 31 2006, 06:20 PM-->QUOTE(deepak @ Jul 31 2006, 06:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem with your argument is: you have accepted conversion as a legitimate objective to spending money.
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Not necessarily. I've accepted the "DESIRE FOR REWARD" as a legitimate desire on the part of any human being. Conversion simply fits into this whole scheme, that's all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is legitimate as long they make their intention obvious. How many missionaries declare publicly that they are doing services to convert? Zilch. - Deception
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Of course not, this also is subjective. So there's no definitive answer. Put simply, just as you cannot force people NOT to have motives, you cannot force people to show gratitude.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then that activity should not be called charity. Make the motivation clear and rules of game will change. People with motivation don't deserve tax excemption status, special rights or anything like that. They don't need any extra protection.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, if the objective of conversion is legitimate, then why aren't the missionaries upfriont about the motivation at the point of giving relief, that is, to the person they seek to convert?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In business, don't we often give freebies first to attract customers, and then provide another product or service, the ones which we really intend to sell? This method is indispensable in a competitive world, or your business is doomed. You don't try to be honest and tell your customers: look, we are giving away worthless freebies, so that you'll be fooled into buying our product. We take this for granted, every business in the world does this. It is impossible to survive without it. And we never ask awkward questions such as 'why can't we be upfront about the whole matter' and so forth. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please stop bull sh***ing. If it is a business, go by rules of business.
Why doesn't the Indian goverment give similar rights to everybody? Hindu organizations and their institutions do not enjoy similar rights as minority institutions. Missionaries have already penetrated enough into secular parties and ensures that Hindus do not get same playing field.
It is unfortunate that many people get assaulted or raped in different parts of India. But, if the victim is a christian you will see christian members from human rights or women's rights organization coming up publicly for detailed enquiries. i.e. These rights organization are built for the protection of missionaries only. Hindu tax money is just being used to protect christians.
If you want to know how a charity organization should work with other religions? I can quote what Mata Amritananda Mayi or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar tell their western desciples when they are in America. "Please continue going to church, Synagogue or mosque as you are used. You don't have to stop that because you are coming to me. I am here only to spread the message"
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Not necessarily. I've accepted the "DESIRE FOR REWARD" as a legitimate desire on the part of any human being. Conversion simply fits into this whole scheme, that's all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It is legitimate as long they make their intention obvious. How many missionaries declare publicly that they are doing services to convert? Zilch. - Deception
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Of course not, this also is subjective. So there's no definitive answer. Put simply, just as you cannot force people NOT to have motives, you cannot force people to show gratitude.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then that activity should not be called charity. Make the motivation clear and rules of game will change. People with motivation don't deserve tax excemption status, special rights or anything like that. They don't need any extra protection.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Also, if the objective of conversion is legitimate, then why aren't the missionaries upfriont about the motivation at the point of giving relief, that is, to the person they seek to convert?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In business, don't we often give freebies first to attract customers, and then provide another product or service, the ones which we really intend to sell? This method is indispensable in a competitive world, or your business is doomed. You don't try to be honest and tell your customers: look, we are giving away worthless freebies, so that you'll be fooled into buying our product. We take this for granted, every business in the world does this. It is impossible to survive without it. And we never ask awkward questions such as 'why can't we be upfront about the whole matter' and so forth. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please stop bull sh***ing. If it is a business, go by rules of business.
Why doesn't the Indian goverment give similar rights to everybody? Hindu organizations and their institutions do not enjoy similar rights as minority institutions. Missionaries have already penetrated enough into secular parties and ensures that Hindus do not get same playing field.
It is unfortunate that many people get assaulted or raped in different parts of India. But, if the victim is a christian you will see christian members from human rights or women's rights organization coming up publicly for detailed enquiries. i.e. These rights organization are built for the protection of missionaries only. Hindu tax money is just being used to protect christians.
If you want to know how a charity organization should work with other religions? I can quote what Mata Amritananda Mayi or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar tell their western desciples when they are in America. "Please continue going to church, Synagogue or mosque as you are used. You don't have to stop that because you are coming to me. I am here only to spread the message"