This seems more appropriate here, but it is in relation to post 52 (Hauma) of the Sanatana Dharma thread
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Egypt: With the end of Hosni Mubarak, it is quite possible that the seething masses of Egypt stage an Islamic revolution centered on one of the root sources of Islamic indoctrination -- the university in Cairo.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Maybe half a year ago, I watched a '60 minutes' type documentary here on how in Egypt, women working in the media were not all allowed to wear the Hijab, how fundamentalist Islamic schools were discouraged, and other forms of 'repression'. The Egyptian government and their progressive forces are very much afraid of fundamentalist Islam taking over their country. The ones in charge are Muslim not secular, they just don't want their nation to turn into Afghanistan or Iran.
However, the programme itself tried to project this as the plight of the oppressed 'good Muslims' in Egypt. Islam is <i>not</i> oppressed in Egypt. Women are allowed to wear the hijab, men are allowed to study the Koran - their government merely wants to ensure that fundamentalism doesn't become the driving form of Islam in their country. Obviously their fears are well-founded if the University of Cairo keeps churning out jhadis.
I wonder what the people who made the documentary are playing at. Do they want Egypt taken over and run down like Iran was by madman Khomeini? I also wonder why the programme showed such blatant support for the extremist side, and why it was a showcase of one-sided reporting.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Safavid, central Asian Uzbek Khanate <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Very ironic that all these peoples who revived Islamic 'expansion' were non-Arabian people whose pre-Islamic cultures were partly added to the notion of what's now considered 'Islamic civilisation'.
From the sound of things, the Khanate consisted of Turkic shamanists who'd been converted to Islam. <b>Khan is a Turkic shamanist religious title - it is one of their most deeply religious names.</b> All Muslims of the Indian subcontinent who bear this surname should realise they have a <b>kaffir surname</b> (perhaps it's indicative of some Turkic shamanist ancestry too).
From The Gods of the Turks:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We read on the monument honouring Bilge-Khagan: "After the death of my father, at the will of Turkic Tengri and sacred Turkic Yer-Sub (Earth-Water), I became Khan... Tengri who gives the states (to Khans), made me Khagan, it should be known, so that the name and glory of the Turkish people would not disappear." In the monument honouring Kul-Tegin, we read: "Tengri, who rules my father, Ilterish-Khagan, and my mother, Ilbilgya-Katun, from above, ennobled them... As Tengri gave them strength, the army of Khagan, my father, was like a wolf and his enemies like sheep."1 On the 8-9th century stone carvings, found on the banks of the Orkhon and Tola rivers, in Altai and in Tuva, the Turkic Khans-Batyrs (mighty Heroes) left to their descendants these words: "⦠For the Turkic people I did not sleep nights and days, did not rest... Let not the Turkic people vanish! Let not the name and glory of the Turkic people perish!"
After a Khagan ascended to the throne, he was referred to as a son of Tengri, for it was Tengri who had given the Khagan to his people and it was He that punished those who turned against their ruler, "... instructing the Khagan, who attends to state and military affairs."2 A man became Khagan, and lived under Tengri's protection only for as long as he himself lived by Tengri's laws. During the election of a Khagan, the Beks felt that Tengri Himself had determined the outcome. A legitimate Khan was therefore looked upon as "Tengri-like... begotten by Tengri... a wise Turkic Khagan". A Khagan (Khan) should be brave, clever, honourable, vigorous, fair, and have the virtues of a Bozkurt (wolf). With these qualities, a Khagan could unify Turkic tribes into a single nation...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Shah-rukh Khan seems to have a doubly unfortunate name, when considered from an Islamic perspective. Shah-rukh means Shah's son, I think, and Shah is a late Zoroastrian title for ruler. It's like how Rukh-shah-na ('Roxanne', name of Bactrian wife of Alexander) means princess.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Egypt: With the end of Hosni Mubarak, it is quite possible that the seething masses of Egypt stage an Islamic revolution centered on one of the root sources of Islamic indoctrination -- the university in Cairo.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Maybe half a year ago, I watched a '60 minutes' type documentary here on how in Egypt, women working in the media were not all allowed to wear the Hijab, how fundamentalist Islamic schools were discouraged, and other forms of 'repression'. The Egyptian government and their progressive forces are very much afraid of fundamentalist Islam taking over their country. The ones in charge are Muslim not secular, they just don't want their nation to turn into Afghanistan or Iran.
However, the programme itself tried to project this as the plight of the oppressed 'good Muslims' in Egypt. Islam is <i>not</i> oppressed in Egypt. Women are allowed to wear the hijab, men are allowed to study the Koran - their government merely wants to ensure that fundamentalism doesn't become the driving form of Islam in their country. Obviously their fears are well-founded if the University of Cairo keeps churning out jhadis.
I wonder what the people who made the documentary are playing at. Do they want Egypt taken over and run down like Iran was by madman Khomeini? I also wonder why the programme showed such blatant support for the extremist side, and why it was a showcase of one-sided reporting.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Safavid, central Asian Uzbek Khanate <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Very ironic that all these peoples who revived Islamic 'expansion' were non-Arabian people whose pre-Islamic cultures were partly added to the notion of what's now considered 'Islamic civilisation'.
From the sound of things, the Khanate consisted of Turkic shamanists who'd been converted to Islam. <b>Khan is a Turkic shamanist religious title - it is one of their most deeply religious names.</b> All Muslims of the Indian subcontinent who bear this surname should realise they have a <b>kaffir surname</b> (perhaps it's indicative of some Turkic shamanist ancestry too).
From The Gods of the Turks:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We read on the monument honouring Bilge-Khagan: "After the death of my father, at the will of Turkic Tengri and sacred Turkic Yer-Sub (Earth-Water), I became Khan... Tengri who gives the states (to Khans), made me Khagan, it should be known, so that the name and glory of the Turkish people would not disappear." In the monument honouring Kul-Tegin, we read: "Tengri, who rules my father, Ilterish-Khagan, and my mother, Ilbilgya-Katun, from above, ennobled them... As Tengri gave them strength, the army of Khagan, my father, was like a wolf and his enemies like sheep."1 On the 8-9th century stone carvings, found on the banks of the Orkhon and Tola rivers, in Altai and in Tuva, the Turkic Khans-Batyrs (mighty Heroes) left to their descendants these words: "⦠For the Turkic people I did not sleep nights and days, did not rest... Let not the Turkic people vanish! Let not the name and glory of the Turkic people perish!"
After a Khagan ascended to the throne, he was referred to as a son of Tengri, for it was Tengri who had given the Khagan to his people and it was He that punished those who turned against their ruler, "... instructing the Khagan, who attends to state and military affairs."2 A man became Khagan, and lived under Tengri's protection only for as long as he himself lived by Tengri's laws. During the election of a Khagan, the Beks felt that Tengri Himself had determined the outcome. A legitimate Khan was therefore looked upon as "Tengri-like... begotten by Tengri... a wise Turkic Khagan". A Khagan (Khan) should be brave, clever, honourable, vigorous, fair, and have the virtues of a Bozkurt (wolf). With these qualities, a Khagan could unify Turkic tribes into a single nation...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Shah-rukh Khan seems to have a doubly unfortunate name, when considered from an Islamic perspective. Shah-rukh means Shah's son, I think, and Shah is a late Zoroastrian title for ruler. It's like how Rukh-shah-na ('Roxanne', name of Bactrian wife of Alexander) means princess.