<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Aug 16 2006, 09:32 PM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Aug 16 2006, 09:32 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Christian Propaganda in full swing:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why Hindus Hate Christian Goa
http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/hin...e-goa.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]55721[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I see it's the same Christo Prakash M who, embarassed by his Hindu first-name, had previously written an article arguing that it was not a Hindu but a 'secular pagan' name. Yeah right.
He's another Goan Christo who denies that the Portuguese Christos destroyed Hindu temples and built Churches on the sites.
Interesting that he imagines Hindus hate Gomantak (or Goa as it is now called). Goa, in spite of the Portuguese Christo tyranny, is still majority Hindu: 2/3 in fact. I don't think they'd be hating their own ancestral province.
Prakash: The pagans are proud and racist, looking upon all foreigners as unclean barbarians (Mlechhas), even if necessity compelled them sometimes to rely upon these Mlechhas to rescue them from their enemies.
Not commenting on his eternal negative use of 'pagans' (I've come across his ravings before) to club us with the Romans whom the early Christians referred to derogatorily as <i>paganus</i>. We're not ancient Romans - besides, they didn't use that term to describe themselves either.
Surprising how Christos always resort to the race-card. We didn't consider ourselves better than the Greeks because of 'race' - neither the Romans, Greeks, Persians nor Hindus knew about races back then; and skin-colour did not influence considerations. (ChristoIslamicsm invented racism.) Greeks used the word barbarians to refer to people outside Greek culture, we used Mlecchas to refer to those outside our own culture whom we did not respect. Yes, the Portuguese Christo tyrants were indeed Mlecchas.
Prakash is being a typical devout Christo, trying to translate Mleccha as 'unclean + barbarian' to make us seem more extreme than the Greeks. But by some accident, he happens to be right in this case: the Portuguese like other Christos of the time, didn't shower at all and so were indeed unclean Mlecchas.
Prakash: They therefore cannot digest the truth that the Goans voluntarily and freely converted to Christianity, and so they invent and spread lies and slanders that Goans were forcibly converted, and that there was a large exodus of those who would not convert.
Goan Hindus <i>were</i> forcibly converted to Christianity, but Hindus were not the ones who publicised it. And the flight to Karnataka is also true. If Prakash and likeminded Goan Christos want to reimagine Christianity's horrible past and think their unfortunate Hindu ancestors voluntarily converted (no different from what the subcontinent's Muslims do), then that's their right. Everyone has the right to self-delusion, as long as they don't try to pass it off as fact in public.
The Portuguese themselves recorded that they converted the Hindus by force. Portuguese Christos narrated full of Christian glee how they caused the destruction of temples and Hindu 'idols', incl. Francis-Of course they sainted me for it-Xavier. Some Goan Christos admit that their ancestors were converted by the brutest of force.
<b>Examples:</b>
<i>"Is the March over" by Mario Cabral e Sa</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In 1567 the Captain of Rachol Fort in South Goa bragged to his Portuguese king back home, "For nights and nights went on the demolishing, demolishing, demolishing of 280 Hindu temples. Not one remained in the happy lands of our division." Jesuit historian Francisco de Souza jubilantly praised the feat, "It is incredible--the sentiment that the gentile were seized of when they saw their respective temple burning."
The first missionaries realized early on that despite backing of the state (<b>"conversions were made," wrote contemporary Portuguese chroniclers, with "the cross in one hand, the sword in the other"</b>), it was difficult to wean Goans from their primal Hindu beliefs and traditions.
Noted India cartoonist/illustrator Mario De Miranda confirms his family's fidelity, "I am a Saraswati Brahmin, originally named Sardessai. My ancestors were forcibly converted to Christianity around 1600 and renamed Miranda. We still belong to the Shanta Durga temple and yearly present prasad--oil and a bag of rice--a tradition in my family all these years."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>"Details of the Goa Inquisition", Dr. T. R. de Souza, Christian historian</i>:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dr. Trasta Breganka Kunha, a Catholic citizen of Goa writes, "Inspite of all the mutilations and concealment of history, it remains an undoubted fact that religious conversion of Goans is due to methods of force adopted by the Portuguese to establish their rule. As a result of this <b>violence</b> the character of our people was destroyed. The propagation of Christian sect in Goa came about not by religious preaching but through the <b>methods of violence and pressure</b>. If any evidence is needed for this fact, we can obtain it through law books, orders and reports of the local rulers of that time and also from the most dependable documents of the Christian sect.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Back to Prakash M and his wishful rewriting of embarassing history:
Prakash: They spread lies that Goans were forced to convert, but their lies are contradictory and fantastic. Some allege that the converts were made by bread being cast into the wells and water sources, so that those who drank this water lost their caste standings and were forced to convert, since they could no longer remain Gentoo. ... Others allege that the Goans were constrained to conversion by the stratagem of having cows slaughtered and thrown into Goan wells. I ask, if so, where did the Goans drink their water from?
What is this, a pre-emptive strike? Is Prakash exaggerating, in order to auto-immunise ignorant readers for when they in future discover the actual means Portuguese Christos used to force-convert Hindus?
Here is what people knowledgeable about the Portuguese Christo history in India have to say about how conversions were effected:
<i>"Sins of the Missionaries", by Stephen Welch</i><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Duarte Nunes, the missionary prelate of Goa, expressed the same doctrine as early as 1520. (13) Almost five hundred years have since passed, much of that time under the rule of pro-Christian imperial governments, and yet Christians stand at no more than 2.4 percent of India's population. India remains incontrovertibly Hindu. That may be why, out of either impatience or desperation, some missionaries have chosen to adopt more persuasive measures than allurement to secure conversions.
In the time of Duarte Nunes, Jesuits supported by the Portuguese military had Hindus forcibly seized and their lips smeared with pieces of beef, "polluting" them as Hindus and thus making Christianity their only option for salvation. (14) Such blatancy is not possible today. Instead, the violence of others can be used as a threat.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>"Is the March over" by Mario Cabral e Sa</i> says a little more:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Obsessed with quick results, Portuguese evangelists brainwashed with a singular lack of concern for substance and almost psychotic emphasis on form. Numbers mattered, not quality. They force-fed Goan converts beef and pork declaring--<b>incorrectly</b>--that the neophytes could never return to Hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Besides the 'force-feeding beef' method that the Portuguese used (just like their Islamic counterparts did in Kashmir), <i>"Details of the Goa Inquisition" by Dr. T. R. de Souza</i> tells us:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"A particularly grave abuse was practiced in Goa in the form of 'mass baptism' and what went before it. The practice was begun by the Jesuits and was alter initiated by the Franciscans also. The Jesuits staged an annual mass baptism on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (January 25), and in order to secure as many neophytes as possible, a few days before the ceremony the Jesuits would go through the streets of the Hindu quarter in pairs, accompanied by their Negro slaves, whom they would urge to seize the Hindus. When the blacks caught up a fugitive, they would smear his lips with a piece of beef, making him an 'untouchable' among his people. Conversion to Christianity was then his only option."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now who's racist? The Christos from Portugal turned Africans into slaves and brought them all the way to distant India where the Africans were made to do to others what the Portuguese had done to them: forcible conversion. (Portugal's historic conversion to Christianity was horrid too.) ChristoIslamic intolerance causes its flock to commit such crimes, nothing else.
Though Prakash <i>hasn't given a single reference to corroborate his tale</i> 'Goans willingly converted, they saw the Light of Christ! No Goans were forcibly converted - those are all Hindu lies!', he draws the conclusion he had been heading for:
Prakash: These Gentoo pretensions do not reflect on Portugal but actually betrays the low thinking and tricks to which the pagans are willing to stoop in order to overcome their enemies!
Nah. It's self-evident who betrays 'low thinking and tricks' and is willing to stoop to such depths: certain kinds of Goan Christ<i>oo</i>s (not all of them are ignorant about their history, thankfully). They should stop blaming Hinduism - especially since Christianity is so undeniably at fault.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why Hindus Hate Christian Goa
http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/hin...e-goa.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]55721[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I see it's the same Christo Prakash M who, embarassed by his Hindu first-name, had previously written an article arguing that it was not a Hindu but a 'secular pagan' name. Yeah right.
He's another Goan Christo who denies that the Portuguese Christos destroyed Hindu temples and built Churches on the sites.
Interesting that he imagines Hindus hate Gomantak (or Goa as it is now called). Goa, in spite of the Portuguese Christo tyranny, is still majority Hindu: 2/3 in fact. I don't think they'd be hating their own ancestral province.
Prakash: The pagans are proud and racist, looking upon all foreigners as unclean barbarians (Mlechhas), even if necessity compelled them sometimes to rely upon these Mlechhas to rescue them from their enemies.
Not commenting on his eternal negative use of 'pagans' (I've come across his ravings before) to club us with the Romans whom the early Christians referred to derogatorily as <i>paganus</i>. We're not ancient Romans - besides, they didn't use that term to describe themselves either.
Surprising how Christos always resort to the race-card. We didn't consider ourselves better than the Greeks because of 'race' - neither the Romans, Greeks, Persians nor Hindus knew about races back then; and skin-colour did not influence considerations. (ChristoIslamicsm invented racism.) Greeks used the word barbarians to refer to people outside Greek culture, we used Mlecchas to refer to those outside our own culture whom we did not respect. Yes, the Portuguese Christo tyrants were indeed Mlecchas.
Prakash is being a typical devout Christo, trying to translate Mleccha as 'unclean + barbarian' to make us seem more extreme than the Greeks. But by some accident, he happens to be right in this case: the Portuguese like other Christos of the time, didn't shower at all and so were indeed unclean Mlecchas.
Prakash: They therefore cannot digest the truth that the Goans voluntarily and freely converted to Christianity, and so they invent and spread lies and slanders that Goans were forcibly converted, and that there was a large exodus of those who would not convert.
Goan Hindus <i>were</i> forcibly converted to Christianity, but Hindus were not the ones who publicised it. And the flight to Karnataka is also true. If Prakash and likeminded Goan Christos want to reimagine Christianity's horrible past and think their unfortunate Hindu ancestors voluntarily converted (no different from what the subcontinent's Muslims do), then that's their right. Everyone has the right to self-delusion, as long as they don't try to pass it off as fact in public.
The Portuguese themselves recorded that they converted the Hindus by force. Portuguese Christos narrated full of Christian glee how they caused the destruction of temples and Hindu 'idols', incl. Francis-Of course they sainted me for it-Xavier. Some Goan Christos admit that their ancestors were converted by the brutest of force.
<b>Examples:</b>
<i>"Is the March over" by Mario Cabral e Sa</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In 1567 the Captain of Rachol Fort in South Goa bragged to his Portuguese king back home, "For nights and nights went on the demolishing, demolishing, demolishing of 280 Hindu temples. Not one remained in the happy lands of our division." Jesuit historian Francisco de Souza jubilantly praised the feat, "It is incredible--the sentiment that the gentile were seized of when they saw their respective temple burning."
The first missionaries realized early on that despite backing of the state (<b>"conversions were made," wrote contemporary Portuguese chroniclers, with "the cross in one hand, the sword in the other"</b>), it was difficult to wean Goans from their primal Hindu beliefs and traditions.
Noted India cartoonist/illustrator Mario De Miranda confirms his family's fidelity, "I am a Saraswati Brahmin, originally named Sardessai. My ancestors were forcibly converted to Christianity around 1600 and renamed Miranda. We still belong to the Shanta Durga temple and yearly present prasad--oil and a bag of rice--a tradition in my family all these years."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>"Details of the Goa Inquisition", Dr. T. R. de Souza, Christian historian</i>:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Dr. Trasta Breganka Kunha, a Catholic citizen of Goa writes, "Inspite of all the mutilations and concealment of history, it remains an undoubted fact that religious conversion of Goans is due to methods of force adopted by the Portuguese to establish their rule. As a result of this <b>violence</b> the character of our people was destroyed. The propagation of Christian sect in Goa came about not by religious preaching but through the <b>methods of violence and pressure</b>. If any evidence is needed for this fact, we can obtain it through law books, orders and reports of the local rulers of that time and also from the most dependable documents of the Christian sect.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Back to Prakash M and his wishful rewriting of embarassing history:
Prakash: They spread lies that Goans were forced to convert, but their lies are contradictory and fantastic. Some allege that the converts were made by bread being cast into the wells and water sources, so that those who drank this water lost their caste standings and were forced to convert, since they could no longer remain Gentoo. ... Others allege that the Goans were constrained to conversion by the stratagem of having cows slaughtered and thrown into Goan wells. I ask, if so, where did the Goans drink their water from?
What is this, a pre-emptive strike? Is Prakash exaggerating, in order to auto-immunise ignorant readers for when they in future discover the actual means Portuguese Christos used to force-convert Hindus?
Here is what people knowledgeable about the Portuguese Christo history in India have to say about how conversions were effected:
<i>"Sins of the Missionaries", by Stephen Welch</i><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Duarte Nunes, the missionary prelate of Goa, expressed the same doctrine as early as 1520. (13) Almost five hundred years have since passed, much of that time under the rule of pro-Christian imperial governments, and yet Christians stand at no more than 2.4 percent of India's population. India remains incontrovertibly Hindu. That may be why, out of either impatience or desperation, some missionaries have chosen to adopt more persuasive measures than allurement to secure conversions.
In the time of Duarte Nunes, Jesuits supported by the Portuguese military had Hindus forcibly seized and their lips smeared with pieces of beef, "polluting" them as Hindus and thus making Christianity their only option for salvation. (14) Such blatancy is not possible today. Instead, the violence of others can be used as a threat.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><i>"Is the March over" by Mario Cabral e Sa</i> says a little more:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Obsessed with quick results, Portuguese evangelists brainwashed with a singular lack of concern for substance and almost psychotic emphasis on form. Numbers mattered, not quality. They force-fed Goan converts beef and pork declaring--<b>incorrectly</b>--that the neophytes could never return to Hinduism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Besides the 'force-feeding beef' method that the Portuguese used (just like their Islamic counterparts did in Kashmir), <i>"Details of the Goa Inquisition" by Dr. T. R. de Souza</i> tells us:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"A particularly grave abuse was practiced in Goa in the form of 'mass baptism' and what went before it. The practice was begun by the Jesuits and was alter initiated by the Franciscans also. The Jesuits staged an annual mass baptism on the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (January 25), and in order to secure as many neophytes as possible, a few days before the ceremony the Jesuits would go through the streets of the Hindu quarter in pairs, accompanied by their Negro slaves, whom they would urge to seize the Hindus. When the blacks caught up a fugitive, they would smear his lips with a piece of beef, making him an 'untouchable' among his people. Conversion to Christianity was then his only option."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now who's racist? The Christos from Portugal turned Africans into slaves and brought them all the way to distant India where the Africans were made to do to others what the Portuguese had done to them: forcible conversion. (Portugal's historic conversion to Christianity was horrid too.) ChristoIslamic intolerance causes its flock to commit such crimes, nothing else.
Though Prakash <i>hasn't given a single reference to corroborate his tale</i> 'Goans willingly converted, they saw the Light of Christ! No Goans were forcibly converted - those are all Hindu lies!', he draws the conclusion he had been heading for:
Prakash: These Gentoo pretensions do not reflect on Portugal but actually betrays the low thinking and tricks to which the pagans are willing to stoop in order to overcome their enemies!
Nah. It's self-evident who betrays 'low thinking and tricks' and is willing to stoop to such depths: certain kinds of Goan Christ<i>oo</i>s (not all of them are ignorant about their history, thankfully). They should stop blaming Hinduism - especially since Christianity is so undeniably at fault.