09-03-2006, 07:55 PM
I must say mr subramaniam appears to be an enlightened tolerent person.????Extremism whether Islamic, Christian or Hindu is the curse of our society . I signed up onto this forum as a baluch thinking I would be conversing with a broadminded group,which I confess majoruty of the members are- excluding Mr subramaniam offcourse. There are too many muslims in the subcontinent and Dalits to wage war with. Tolerance an.d assimilation is the only path .Afterall it was an extremist hindu who killed Gandhi!!! The Baluch people protect Hindu shrines/mandirs .. and I believe all sane Hindu's should do the same with muslim mosques in India.
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Mar 11 2006, 10:40 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Mar 11 2006, 10:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The fundamental mistake that most people make is assuming that
the villain is Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia
nve
As early as 1350, in the hindu kingdom of kerala, with 2% muslims,
per Ibn Batuta, muslims were rioting often
.
The standard secular discourse is that hindutva is radicalising Indian muslims
If we look at the period 1919-1947, during the presence of Gandhi,
muslims went on numerous riots killing millions of people
In places where muslims have been subjected to great violence such
as in Indian Punjab, muslims are very peaceful
The post independence muslim behavior has been
Let me kill hindus,
kill cows,
molest and abduct hindu women
Change demographics by overbreeding or illegal immigration
convert using saudi funds
Whitewash muslim atrocities
Give in to demands such as article 370, Shah Bano etc
ELSE
will riot
The one new twist is
if hindus retaliate, will get help from Pakistan to set off bomb blasts
The choice they give to hindus is get killed by the local muslim
acting alone ELSE get killed with pakistani help
What this shows is that muslims are very willing to climb the escalation
ladder unless matched with reciprocal escalating violence
Case in point
1992 - muslims riot in Mumbai
Hindus retaliate
Muslims bomb Mumbai
Hindus fail to escalate
This hindu failure to escalate has emboldened muslim bombing all
over India
The correct preferred way against Indian Jihadists is strict law enforcement
However, thanks to vote banks that will not happen
Next at some point frustrated with no law enforcement
a hindu mob forms
The correct target for the mob is the local madrasa, mullah, mosque,
not average muslims
In interrogations with jihadists, it has been discovered that
while they may be willing to die, they are deterred by reprisals against their family
members
Hence in a very crude and clumsy way, post Godhra reprisals
had some deterrent effect
Those hindus who advocate violence need to understand
that if the path of violence is chosen, it has to be followed up all the way a-la 1947 Indian Punjab,
else a few years later with better demographic ratio, muslims will again resort to
violence
If the path of violence is chosen, it is all or nothing
Counter breeding is more effective than counter rioting
Ask why we have maximum jihadi activity in kerala, UP, west bengal, Assam,
all ruled by seculars
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<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Mar 11 2006, 10:40 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Mar 11 2006, 10:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The fundamental mistake that most people make is assuming that
the villain is Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia
nve
As early as 1350, in the hindu kingdom of kerala, with 2% muslims,
per Ibn Batuta, muslims were rioting often
.
The standard secular discourse is that hindutva is radicalising Indian muslims
If we look at the period 1919-1947, during the presence of Gandhi,
muslims went on numerous riots killing millions of people
In places where muslims have been subjected to great violence such
as in Indian Punjab, muslims are very peaceful
The post independence muslim behavior has been
Let me kill hindus,
kill cows,
molest and abduct hindu women
Change demographics by overbreeding or illegal immigration
convert using saudi funds
Whitewash muslim atrocities
Give in to demands such as article 370, Shah Bano etc
ELSE
will riot
The one new twist is
if hindus retaliate, will get help from Pakistan to set off bomb blasts
The choice they give to hindus is get killed by the local muslim
acting alone ELSE get killed with pakistani help
What this shows is that muslims are very willing to climb the escalation
ladder unless matched with reciprocal escalating violence
Case in point
1992 - muslims riot in Mumbai
Hindus retaliate
Muslims bomb Mumbai
Hindus fail to escalate
This hindu failure to escalate has emboldened muslim bombing all
over India
The correct preferred way against Indian Jihadists is strict law enforcement
However, thanks to vote banks that will not happen
Next at some point frustrated with no law enforcement
a hindu mob forms
The correct target for the mob is the local madrasa, mullah, mosque,
not average muslims
In interrogations with jihadists, it has been discovered that
while they may be willing to die, they are deterred by reprisals against their family
members
Hence in a very crude and clumsy way, post Godhra reprisals
had some deterrent effect
Those hindus who advocate violence need to understand
that if the path of violence is chosen, it has to be followed up all the way a-la 1947 Indian Punjab,
else a few years later with better demographic ratio, muslims will again resort to
violence
If the path of violence is chosen, it is all or nothing
Counter breeding is more effective than counter rioting
Ask why we have maximum jihadi activity in kerala, UP, west bengal, Assam,
all ruled by seculars
[right][snapback]48299[/snapback][/right]
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