09-05-2006, 01:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Aug 31 2006, 07:47 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Aug 31 2006, 07:47 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In above post of Aarya, there are multiple entries for Sage Sandilya.Â
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->8. Sandilya from Kausika and Gautama,
38. Sandilya from Kaisorya Kapya,
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1. What is the difference? Are there two different sages with same name, or there is some other reason?
2. My gotra is Sandilya and would like to know if there is a way to find which of the above Sandilya would be mine?
3. Within Sandilya gotra, I have seen intermarriages based upon certain sub-classification. Does anyone know about how, why?
4. Sandilya Bhakti Sutram - of the famed "athAto bhakti jigyAsA" - is that a smriti/shruti? Which of the above Shandilya Rishis is this from? What could be the approximate time line of its origination?
5. Should one be right in being proud on one's gotra? I feel proud on coming from the lineage which developed Bhaki-sutras :-)
6. Are gotras somehow cross-metrixed with varnas. e.g. same gotra can be/can not be shared by different varnas?
By the way here is one URL for accessing Sandilya Bhakti Sutra: Sutra
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Dear Bodhi,
Teachers
"8. ShâNDilya from Kaushika and Gautama, 38. ShâNDilya from Kaishorya Kâpya" is a reference to (unrelated) teachers learning one from the other(s) within one Shâkhâ, the Vâjasaneya or Shukla Yajurveda.
They start from the latest teacher and end up with the earliest. They go back to the time of ParikShit I Kauravya (mentioned in the Rgveda Khilâni), thus at the very start of recollecting the Rc-Sâmam-Yajus and Chandas in a new Samhitâ.
ShâNDilya Gotra
This is placed with the Kashyapas in the Gotra-Pravara sections of the Kalpasûtras. But, looking closer we have this information in their section:
TryârSheya: Kashyapa-Avatsâra-ShâNDilya
So far, no problem, as Kashyapa is the main RShi, and Avatsâra a Kâshyapa descendant. But the third may not be a Kâshyapa, but is a matrmonially allied Pravara after which there is an "avaivâhika" status between the Avatsâras and ShâNDilyas.
In support that the third AarSheya Pravara may not be of the first or second, is when we notice the following within the Kashyapa section:
TryârSheya: Kashyapa-Avatsâra-VasiShTha ! VasiShTha is certainly not a Kashyapa, thus we get here the information that there is a matrimonial relation involved of two Gotras within certain Pravaras. [it is not improbable that the third AarSheya in both examples denotes an equation, perhaps supported further by the data below]
- My Tabla Guru, from the ShâNDilya Gotra, confirmed that they were certainly not Kashyapas.
- The PurâNas name the Purohita of king Dilîpa II KhaTvânga of Ayodhya as an Atharvanidhi VasiShTha, and also as ShâNDili (story of the kings Dilîpa II and Bhuvamanyu). The last name may have been his personal name.
- Matsya PurâNa places ShâNDili with the VasiShThas.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Are gotras somehow cross-metrixed with varnas?"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If individuals started with other professions, they may have remembered their Gotra-Pravara, but changed their VarNa.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Should one be right in being proud on one's gotra?"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One may be proud, but it is better as a descendant, follower or inspirated one by their teachings, to take their examples to develop further personally and socially. Our ancestors have sacrificed a lot to attain wisdom for the benefit of all. It's a waste to neglect what they wanted to pass to us.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->8. Sandilya from Kausika and Gautama,
38. Sandilya from Kaisorya Kapya,
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. What is the difference? Are there two different sages with same name, or there is some other reason?
2. My gotra is Sandilya and would like to know if there is a way to find which of the above Sandilya would be mine?
3. Within Sandilya gotra, I have seen intermarriages based upon certain sub-classification. Does anyone know about how, why?
4. Sandilya Bhakti Sutram - of the famed "athAto bhakti jigyAsA" - is that a smriti/shruti? Which of the above Shandilya Rishis is this from? What could be the approximate time line of its origination?
5. Should one be right in being proud on one's gotra? I feel proud on coming from the lineage which developed Bhaki-sutras :-)
6. Are gotras somehow cross-metrixed with varnas. e.g. same gotra can be/can not be shared by different varnas?
By the way here is one URL for accessing Sandilya Bhakti Sutra: Sutra
[right][snapback]56548[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dear Bodhi,
Teachers
"8. ShâNDilya from Kaushika and Gautama, 38. ShâNDilya from Kaishorya Kâpya" is a reference to (unrelated) teachers learning one from the other(s) within one Shâkhâ, the Vâjasaneya or Shukla Yajurveda.
They start from the latest teacher and end up with the earliest. They go back to the time of ParikShit I Kauravya (mentioned in the Rgveda Khilâni), thus at the very start of recollecting the Rc-Sâmam-Yajus and Chandas in a new Samhitâ.
ShâNDilya Gotra
This is placed with the Kashyapas in the Gotra-Pravara sections of the Kalpasûtras. But, looking closer we have this information in their section:
TryârSheya: Kashyapa-Avatsâra-ShâNDilya
So far, no problem, as Kashyapa is the main RShi, and Avatsâra a Kâshyapa descendant. But the third may not be a Kâshyapa, but is a matrmonially allied Pravara after which there is an "avaivâhika" status between the Avatsâras and ShâNDilyas.
In support that the third AarSheya Pravara may not be of the first or second, is when we notice the following within the Kashyapa section:
TryârSheya: Kashyapa-Avatsâra-VasiShTha ! VasiShTha is certainly not a Kashyapa, thus we get here the information that there is a matrimonial relation involved of two Gotras within certain Pravaras. [it is not improbable that the third AarSheya in both examples denotes an equation, perhaps supported further by the data below]
- My Tabla Guru, from the ShâNDilya Gotra, confirmed that they were certainly not Kashyapas.
- The PurâNas name the Purohita of king Dilîpa II KhaTvânga of Ayodhya as an Atharvanidhi VasiShTha, and also as ShâNDili (story of the kings Dilîpa II and Bhuvamanyu). The last name may have been his personal name.
- Matsya PurâNa places ShâNDili with the VasiShThas.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Are gotras somehow cross-metrixed with varnas?"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If individuals started with other professions, they may have remembered their Gotra-Pravara, but changed their VarNa.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"Should one be right in being proud on one's gotra?"<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One may be proud, but it is better as a descendant, follower or inspirated one by their teachings, to take their examples to develop further personally and socially. Our ancestors have sacrificed a lot to attain wisdom for the benefit of all. It's a waste to neglect what they wanted to pass to us.