10-03-2006, 11:29 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-maruti+Oct 3 2006, 09:05 PM-->QUOTE(maruti @ Oct 3 2006, 09:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->That was my point, that Indians have degraded and that's why Varnashrama Dharma has been maligned by ignorant people. It's because Indians give them a chance by NOT practicing it properly. If Indians complain of racism, how can anyone take them seriously when they're practicing it themselves under the pretext of caste? The only solution is to follow Varnashrama Dharma as taught by Bhagavan Krishna.
And India can NEVER become a truly developed nation without following VD.
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Dear Maruti, Varnashrama Dharma was even an ideal in the time of the Arthashastra, and perhaps earlier. The current system then was rather a mixture of clan-based tribal and professional classifications, tried to being put in a fourfold or fivefold system by Shastrakaras, but not with much success. That is exactly the same time when the Manava Dharma tradition was being revised by a school of Shastrakaras (to be done a few times more in succeeding centuries).
People in India and the rest of the world believe in and follow the rules of their communities. Till recently in almost all western countries people of one community would marry within their community. The less urban the more regularly this was done. No protestant, within his own section would marry even a protestant of another church community, let alone with a catholic. An atheist was almost an impossible match. So India is no different in this, but they don't hide it there.
Indians may indeed complain about racism, because their social system may be not ideal, but it is not racist. That others, out of ignorance or deliberately, brand it as racist from different religious-political backgrounds, has to be corrected. The job is made difficult by opponents and the pseudo-Hindu watch dogs.
One wonders why most groups themselves maintain their Jati names. Is it because every Jati or community (based upon Kula, Jana and Gana), with its own Varna-like intersocial classifications, give them their social identity? The intersocial classification of one community was not the same as another (neither the status), as some had three Varnalike classes, others two, etc.
In short, India is too often depicted and dominated from a preconceived shortsighted static 'alien' religious, political or anthropological view point, and never appreciated with its merits and faults as it really is, with all its dynamics and changes. This anti-India propaganda machine used deliberately and by some unconsciously in a hypnotised or indoctrinated state is doing much harm.
Any social study of india should then be given in a timeline with the parallel periodical social developments in the rest of the world. This will perhaps give a counterbalance to the opinion of many Indians that the social grass is greener elsewhere in other systems.
And India can NEVER become a truly developed nation without following VD.
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Dear Maruti, Varnashrama Dharma was even an ideal in the time of the Arthashastra, and perhaps earlier. The current system then was rather a mixture of clan-based tribal and professional classifications, tried to being put in a fourfold or fivefold system by Shastrakaras, but not with much success. That is exactly the same time when the Manava Dharma tradition was being revised by a school of Shastrakaras (to be done a few times more in succeeding centuries).
People in India and the rest of the world believe in and follow the rules of their communities. Till recently in almost all western countries people of one community would marry within their community. The less urban the more regularly this was done. No protestant, within his own section would marry even a protestant of another church community, let alone with a catholic. An atheist was almost an impossible match. So India is no different in this, but they don't hide it there.
Indians may indeed complain about racism, because their social system may be not ideal, but it is not racist. That others, out of ignorance or deliberately, brand it as racist from different religious-political backgrounds, has to be corrected. The job is made difficult by opponents and the pseudo-Hindu watch dogs.
One wonders why most groups themselves maintain their Jati names. Is it because every Jati or community (based upon Kula, Jana and Gana), with its own Varna-like intersocial classifications, give them their social identity? The intersocial classification of one community was not the same as another (neither the status), as some had three Varnalike classes, others two, etc.
In short, India is too often depicted and dominated from a preconceived shortsighted static 'alien' religious, political or anthropological view point, and never appreciated with its merits and faults as it really is, with all its dynamics and changes. This anti-India propaganda machine used deliberately and by some unconsciously in a hypnotised or indoctrinated state is doing much harm.
Any social study of india should then be given in a timeline with the parallel periodical social developments in the rest of the world. This will perhaps give a counterbalance to the opinion of many Indians that the social grass is greener elsewhere in other systems.