10-26-2006, 02:53 PM
Recently scholars have attempted to study ancient Indian history in relation to texts like veda and others. I am not aware of any article or book based on this study. The superimposition of these texts on the civilization raises some question which I hope experts on this forum will help counter. Also I would request for a right up on pre-history based on texts and archeological proof by you people. Id also like to state that I am a layman trying to understand Indian history and wrong statements should be forgiven and corrected.
Q1 rig veda dates to 5000 bc and scholars say that hymns were composed on river sarsvati where indo-iranians resided , the presence of asurâs as different from composers of ved indicate a small disparity like say any two sects of morden day Hinduism(Iranians also pray to sarasvati and call it xyz.) But ramayan dated to 5000 bc talks of ravan as asur and daev asur war.(this would put ramâs date to after indo-iranian split. Unless we assume Iranians are as yet not classified as asurs.
Again dating RV to 5000 bc (to3000bc) requires presence of preharappa sites on the sarasvati.
RV belongs to pro harrapa period, so when sarasvati stops being a sea going river (prior to 3000 bc) the population moves east ,S and west (wets movement indicating a split and not nnecc a fight between indo Iranians) this time period of east movement can successfully explain the 3000 bc central-India Mahabharat war.(does RV mention eastern rivers and habitations?) also this east movement of civilization will be termed as the FIRST MIGRATION , because the second migration occurs after the disappearance of sarasvati~1900âs (again presence of a high civilization on the still mighty sarasvati in 2500 BC and lack of regular mention of the river in mahabharat will put MB dates in jeopardy and it will have to be dated after desiccation of the river.
Q2. scholars claims that in rigveda asuras are kept in high regard , also is present along the Indus garbhand dated 2500 bc proving presence of Iranians,they also pray to sarasvati but at the same time we have bactria site daing 3000 bc , with coencentric buildings ,indicating an asur tripura like structure indicating a daev-asur split.etc.. yet hittie treaty dated 1400âs calls on indra who is suppose to be the leader in the dev-asur war and he has as yet not been declared a daev(demon) by the Iranians.
In all this medely of dates , on which dated should the indo âiranian split be dated?? and such a late presence of indra still in high regard will bring down the dates of text which talk of dev-asur war
Q4 what do our text say about harappa civilization ?? which tribe rules in indus-sarasvati area at the time of mahabharat?? Who does balram meet on the banks of sarasvati when goes for a pilgrimage?? Why are the texts silent on such an advanced civilization , they should mention either with envy or pride the great-ruler of this area
Q5 coming to harappa itself ait propogators claim that it was a utopian society quite contarary to vedic society⦠so how do harrapan ruins explain the society that is supposed to exsist in post mahabharat times??
Q6 assumin IE developed in northen Indiaâ¦how do we reconcile the north and south divide /or unity. A) did the southerners habitate the north as per manu the Dravidian king and survivor of the flood b) did a northen group habitate the south a la rishi agastya and parsuram who moved south ,,or did they just spread the teachings south (like missionaries) and thus uniting the north and south which had developed separately??(considering south is not mentioned in indian texts.initially)
The question is how and when did the north and south become one ,and if they were already one how is the exsistence of two different language families explained
q7 there is no information available on archeology of mahabharat sites , i have just read that such an excavation was carrier out by mr b b lal in 1950's , and the other information available(subhash kak) is that hastinapur had pillars dating to 3000 bc..is their any further information ??
Q1 rig veda dates to 5000 bc and scholars say that hymns were composed on river sarsvati where indo-iranians resided , the presence of asurâs as different from composers of ved indicate a small disparity like say any two sects of morden day Hinduism(Iranians also pray to sarasvati and call it xyz.) But ramayan dated to 5000 bc talks of ravan as asur and daev asur war.(this would put ramâs date to after indo-iranian split. Unless we assume Iranians are as yet not classified as asurs.
Again dating RV to 5000 bc (to3000bc) requires presence of preharappa sites on the sarasvati.
RV belongs to pro harrapa period, so when sarasvati stops being a sea going river (prior to 3000 bc) the population moves east ,S and west (wets movement indicating a split and not nnecc a fight between indo Iranians) this time period of east movement can successfully explain the 3000 bc central-India Mahabharat war.(does RV mention eastern rivers and habitations?) also this east movement of civilization will be termed as the FIRST MIGRATION , because the second migration occurs after the disappearance of sarasvati~1900âs (again presence of a high civilization on the still mighty sarasvati in 2500 BC and lack of regular mention of the river in mahabharat will put MB dates in jeopardy and it will have to be dated after desiccation of the river.
Q2. scholars claims that in rigveda asuras are kept in high regard , also is present along the Indus garbhand dated 2500 bc proving presence of Iranians,they also pray to sarasvati but at the same time we have bactria site daing 3000 bc , with coencentric buildings ,indicating an asur tripura like structure indicating a daev-asur split.etc.. yet hittie treaty dated 1400âs calls on indra who is suppose to be the leader in the dev-asur war and he has as yet not been declared a daev(demon) by the Iranians.
In all this medely of dates , on which dated should the indo âiranian split be dated?? and such a late presence of indra still in high regard will bring down the dates of text which talk of dev-asur war
Q4 what do our text say about harappa civilization ?? which tribe rules in indus-sarasvati area at the time of mahabharat?? Who does balram meet on the banks of sarasvati when goes for a pilgrimage?? Why are the texts silent on such an advanced civilization , they should mention either with envy or pride the great-ruler of this area
Q5 coming to harappa itself ait propogators claim that it was a utopian society quite contarary to vedic society⦠so how do harrapan ruins explain the society that is supposed to exsist in post mahabharat times??
Q6 assumin IE developed in northen Indiaâ¦how do we reconcile the north and south divide /or unity. A) did the southerners habitate the north as per manu the Dravidian king and survivor of the flood b) did a northen group habitate the south a la rishi agastya and parsuram who moved south ,,or did they just spread the teachings south (like missionaries) and thus uniting the north and south which had developed separately??(considering south is not mentioned in indian texts.initially)
The question is how and when did the north and south become one ,and if they were already one how is the exsistence of two different language families explained
q7 there is no information available on archeology of mahabharat sites , i have just read that such an excavation was carrier out by mr b b lal in 1950's , and the other information available(subhash kak) is that hastinapur had pillars dating to 3000 bc..is their any further information ??