11-01-2006, 03:31 AM
Bodhi thanks for the info, will pass it onto more informed people I know, I would have done the research myself if not for the fact that I cannot read Hindi properly at all, that is why I haven't yet read Rajendra Singh's "Sikh Itihaas Mein Rama Janmabhoomi" but I did hear that it is a very good book, so check it out.
Speaking of that, here is something from Vishal Agarwal that may interest you:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->VA: It is not true that the Bairagis did not regain occupied temples.
The Hanuman Garhi was also demolished by a Muslim Emperor and in
1800's it was captured by Hindu monks after a bloddy battle with the
muslims.
I believe that the Hanuman Garhi was subsequently used as a bastion
by Hindu monks to launch an attack on the Babri temple itself, but it
failed.
The Muslims tried to regain possession of teh Hamuman Garhi itself.
Matters reached a boiling point and Wajid Ali Shah, the then ruler of
Awadh, warned Muslim zealots not to attempt that.
The Muslim group was covertly funded by the Begum of Bhopal, while
the Hindu group had support from the Raja of Gwalior. When the Muslim
group decided to advance, they were shot dead by the soldiers of
Wajid Ali Shah, and about 400 Muslims died (this was around 1850 AD)
and were buried in graveyard called 'Kabristan e shahidaan' on the
side of the Babri mosque.
Apparently, during the demolition of the mosque in 1992, the
graveyard was also obliterated.
In Ayodhya itself, there is a 'Brahmakunda Gurudwara' which was built
at the spot where Guru Gobind Singh led a Hindu attack on the Babri
Masjid and occupied it. The Granthis/Gianis of the Gurudwara
therefore follow the Guru's tradition and have been firm supporters
of the Temple movement, and are constant seen in the company of
Ramachandra Pramahans.
Also, are there any
> records within the tradition ( rAmAnandI or Tulsidas or
> any other hindu source ) about rAm janmasthAn being at
> the exact same spot where the babri masjid now stands?
VA: Tulasidasji does not mention any historical details and I do not
know about Ramanandis. Their rise in Ayodhya is fairly late and the
town was under the domination of Shaivite monks till 1700's.
There were massive Hindu muslim riots in Ayodhya in 1934 after
Muslims butchered a cow on Id, and the Babri mosque was very heavily
damaged (apparently large portions of one side of the wall was
demolished and then rebuilt only later but before 1948).
It would be difficult to pinpoint exactly the sites of several
prominent temples in India, and we are forced to rely on tradition.
In the case of Janmasthana, we atleast have something in the Skanda
Purana (that section is later than the arrival of Muslims though,
becaue it names 'Turuskha' peoole').
Vishal
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivili...n/message/19770<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A good book to bring out would be an account of the various battles that we waged to regain the spot since the mandir was demolished by the barbarian Babur.
Speaking of that, here is something from Vishal Agarwal that may interest you:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->VA: It is not true that the Bairagis did not regain occupied temples.
The Hanuman Garhi was also demolished by a Muslim Emperor and in
1800's it was captured by Hindu monks after a bloddy battle with the
muslims.
I believe that the Hanuman Garhi was subsequently used as a bastion
by Hindu monks to launch an attack on the Babri temple itself, but it
failed.
The Muslims tried to regain possession of teh Hamuman Garhi itself.
Matters reached a boiling point and Wajid Ali Shah, the then ruler of
Awadh, warned Muslim zealots not to attempt that.
The Muslim group was covertly funded by the Begum of Bhopal, while
the Hindu group had support from the Raja of Gwalior. When the Muslim
group decided to advance, they were shot dead by the soldiers of
Wajid Ali Shah, and about 400 Muslims died (this was around 1850 AD)
and were buried in graveyard called 'Kabristan e shahidaan' on the
side of the Babri mosque.
Apparently, during the demolition of the mosque in 1992, the
graveyard was also obliterated.
In Ayodhya itself, there is a 'Brahmakunda Gurudwara' which was built
at the spot where Guru Gobind Singh led a Hindu attack on the Babri
Masjid and occupied it. The Granthis/Gianis of the Gurudwara
therefore follow the Guru's tradition and have been firm supporters
of the Temple movement, and are constant seen in the company of
Ramachandra Pramahans.
Also, are there any
> records within the tradition ( rAmAnandI or Tulsidas or
> any other hindu source ) about rAm janmasthAn being at
> the exact same spot where the babri masjid now stands?
VA: Tulasidasji does not mention any historical details and I do not
know about Ramanandis. Their rise in Ayodhya is fairly late and the
town was under the domination of Shaivite monks till 1700's.
There were massive Hindu muslim riots in Ayodhya in 1934 after
Muslims butchered a cow on Id, and the Babri mosque was very heavily
damaged (apparently large portions of one side of the wall was
demolished and then rebuilt only later but before 1948).
It would be difficult to pinpoint exactly the sites of several
prominent temples in India, and we are forced to rely on tradition.
In the case of Janmasthana, we atleast have something in the Skanda
Purana (that section is later than the arrival of Muslims though,
becaue it names 'Turuskha' peoole').
Vishal
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianCivili...n/message/19770<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A good book to bring out would be an account of the various battles that we waged to regain the spot since the mandir was demolished by the barbarian Babur.